• Transgender Teen Named Homecoming Queen in Huntington Beach
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[QUOTE=valkery;42262930][IMG]http://images.onset.freedom.com/ocregister/article/mt37h8-b781175834z.120130913160758000gbd1ft8le.2.jpg[/IMG] Actual pic, because the one in the OP sucks.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't have believed she was trans until I was told. That's cool.
[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;42264197]Pardon me if I'm not so quick to give the benefit of the doubt when these threads usually have it's fair share of people who think it's fun to mock trans women by misgendering them. Because really, In what part of the OP at all would imply the girl goes by male pronouns?[/QUOTE] you mean what would imply the guy goes by male pronouns.
[QUOTE=alexguydude;42263091]Gender isn't a societal concept. It's your damn GENDER. You're born male or female. Jesus. You're born male or female it's not a choice. It's biological, and you don't get to choose your DNA. Sexuality is different than gender. I support sexuality decisions, not people thinking they can change their entire gender, chop their dick off, and prance around as a female. It's insane, and the majority of the world still thinks it's insane too for good reason.[/QUOTE] sex =! gender you need to realize this
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;42264231]I wouldn't have believed she was trans until I was told. That's cool.[/QUOTE] This may sound homophobic but that's kind of scary.
[QUOTE=Sally;42264279]This may sound homophobic but that's kind of scary.[/QUOTE] Why do you have such a problem being attracted to a woman who used to be different? You used to be a baby, that doesn't mean someone is a pedophile for sleeping with you.
[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;42264240]Totally doesn't think transgender people are freaks.[/QUOTE] What he said wasn't wrong though, but hey, feel free to argue about nouns. If you don't have female reproductive organs, if you can't menstruate, if you can't get pregnant, then by definition you are not a female no matter how hard you want to be. It's a simple fact, and alex is right about that.
[QUOTE=HighdefGE;42264416]What he said wasn't wrong though, but hey, feel free to argue about nouns. If you don't have female reproductive organs, if you can't menstruate, if you can't get pregnant, then by definition you are not a female no matter how hard you want to be. It's a simple fact, and alex is right about that.[/QUOTE] i think mankind is advanced enough to stop playing semantics when it comes to psychological identification of gender calling her a guy because she unforunately lacks the female sexual organs that she likely wishes she had, doesnt make you superior or accomplish anything besides putting down an individual who just wants to be happy as much as you may justify your trans/homophobia with the "im just being technical" spheel, youre still a jackass for making it a point to purposely offend a group of people who already struggle as it is to be accepted by society youre the kind of person who calls mentally handicapped people "retarded morons," just because the are 'technically slow learners" and "not very intelligent"
[QUOTE=Loriborn;42264493]calling her a guy because she unforunately lacks the female sexual organs that she likely wishes she has, doesnt make you superior or accomplish anything [/QUOTE] and it doesn't change the fact that she doesn't have these organs and therefore she's not a dude [editline]21st September 2013[/editline] If I wanted to be a lizard man, but I lacked green skin, scales and other reptile features. I wouldn't be a lizard man simply because I wished to be one. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Transphobia, straw man garbage" - Megafan))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=HighdefGE;42264416]What he said wasn't wrong though, but hey, feel free to argue about nouns. If you don't have female reproductive organs, if you can't menstruate, if you can't get pregnant, then by definition you are not a female no matter how hard you want to be. It's a simple fact, and alex is right about that.[/QUOTE] They're trying to be a woman not a female
[QUOTE=EliteGuy;42264513]and it doesn't change the fact that she doesn't have these organs and therefore she's not a dude [editline]21st September 2013[/editline] If I wanted to be a lizard man, but I lacked green skin, scales and other reptile features. I wouldn't be a lizard man simply because I wished to be one.[/QUOTE] you accomplish nothing by refusing to define an individual by the gender they associate as, other than emotionally damaging a person already struggling to be accepted by a society focused on dividing genders by generalized notions of femininity and masculinity if you were her doctor, or perhaps the government, then i could understand the necessity of labeling her as a male for medical reasons, but in a social or non-personal setting, there is absolutely no reason to call her male other than to either feel intellectually or morally superior, or to put down and demean an innocent person its still bullying, regardless of which way you slice it
[QUOTE=Cone;42262890]why do you consider other sexualities fine but not transgenderism? you can't pick and choose this shit[/QUOTE] Wanting to make love to someone of the same sex is very different from changing one's sex qualities to match their self-determined gender. I'm not saying anything one way or the other, but don't blindly support things without considering both sides, however silly the opposing argument may seem to you. Straw-manning solves nothing and changes nothing.
[QUOTE=Cuon Alpinus;42264574]Wanting to make love to someone of the same sex is very different from changing one's sex qualities to match their self-determined gender. I'm not saying anything one way or the other, but don't blindly support things without considering both sides, [B]however silly the opposing argument may seem to you[/B]. Straw-manning solves nothing.[/QUOTE] [url]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Balance_fallacy[/url]
[QUOTE=Ownederd;42264600][url]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Balance_fallacy[/url][/QUOTE] Except that you cannot change a person's thinking nearly as easily if you don't know how they think. If you're to argue without trying to change a person, then you're essentially just flaming them or trying to make them look stupid.
[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;42264297]Why do you have such a problem being attracted to a woman who used to be different? [/QUOTE] Uh its not used to be. Its still is, I want to be in a relationship with someone that I can have a child with. Its my personal preference you may be different or you may be the same I'm not going to argue about it. [QUOTE]You used to be a baby, that doesn't mean someone is a pedophile for sleeping with you[/QUOTE] You can stop now
[QUOTE=Cone;42262942]gender is a societal concept[/QUOTE] ooh no it's not. Just because it's psychological doesn't mean it's a social construct.
[QUOTE=Sally;42264279]This may sound homophobic but that's kind of scary.[/QUOTE] I didn't say I was attracted to her lol. I'm not interested in trans people.
She's so pretty! Hopefully her victory can help inform people of the newer generation's views on transgenderism(?)
[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;42264689]ooh no it's not. Just because it's psychological doesn't mean it's a social construct.[/QUOTE] -snip-
[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;42264689]ooh no it's not. Just because it's psychological doesn't mean it's a social construct.[/QUOTE] well its partially a social construct the way genders are expected to behave and act in social and private settings, including dress, speech, and attitude towards subjects such as sex, are defined by social norms and how those norms change and develop in a society for instance, in 1940s united states, men were expected to not have long hair, and women were almost universally expected to have hair that reached the shoulders, as such, individuals conformed to these views on gender behavior in order to not be ostracized by society as culture changes and develops, so does the way we view the expectations of gender, and the more blurred the line between the two sexes in terms of what is seen as "normal" and "not normal," the better and more accepting that culture is of the widely diverse types of sexuality and personality traits that humans have [editline]21st September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Blind Lulu;42264749]Just to wrap up any confusion gender roles is a social construct. Gender identity isn't.[/QUOTE] basically this
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[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;42264762]if you want to bring out studies, there was a study that proved a biological boy with a penis and 2 testicles raised as a girl still won't percieve himself as a girl[/QUOTE] i think you both agree but dont realize youre on the same page
[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;42264762]if you want to bring out studies, there was a study that proved a biological boy with a penis and 2 testicles raised as a girl still won't percieve himself as a girl[/QUOTE] Oh hell, I misread your post. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry but if you have a vagina, but you believe that you're a male, then theres something mentally wrong there [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Transphobia" - Megafan))[/highlight]
Guys, if you want to debate the merits of transgenderism, [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1308968"]there's a thread here[/URL], no need to clutter up this one. On topic, the story reminds me of this documentary: [video=youtube;WkWv9cbda4c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkWv9cbda4c[/video]
[QUOTE=EliteGuy;42264513]and it doesn't change the fact that she doesn't have these organs and therefore she's not a dude [editline]21st September 2013[/editline] If I wanted to be a lizard man, but I lacked green skin, scales and other reptile features. I wouldn't be a lizard man simply because I wished to be one.[/QUOTE] holy shit, how hard is it to comprehend that people believe that they're the opposed gender of their sex? They're two different things. Not to mention your argument is shit anyway. Based on your logic, if a male loses his penis and testicles, then by your reasoning he is therefore no longer a man. That's horseshit and you fucking know it.
Good for her.
I always knew transgenders would be the new ostracized group from the newer generation. I knew kids today wouldn't have an issue with interracial marriage or gay people, it's transgenders that they just wont fucking understand yet fail to realize it's the same exact thing as homophobia or racism. Shit is so ridiculous, I can't even think of another group to shun from society but I bet if/when that happens transgender will be accepted and it will be the same shit over and over again. I don't understand why people care so much about what other people do with their own personal lives.
[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;42265041]I always knew transgenders would be the new ostracized group from the newer generation. I knew kids today wouldn't have an issue with interracial marriage or gay people, it's transgenders that they just wont fucking understand yet fail to realize it's the same exact thing as homophobia or racism. Shit is so ridiculous, I can't even think of another group to shun from society but I bet if/when that happens transgender will be accepted and it will be the same shit over and over again. I don't understand why people care so much about what other people do with their own personal lives.[/QUOTE] Because it's icky and makes me feel uncomfortable. Pretty sure that is most peoples thought process if they are against something like this.
[QUOTE=alexguydude;42263222]Transgender mindsets are even labeled as a gender identity disorder. It's a disorder. Therefor not sane or normal behavior of a human being. After many bitching and moaning from the T community they even tried to get it changed into something not classified as a disorder. But it still remains, a mental disorder.[/QUOTE] Fuck you Seriously Just Fuck you Normally I would go into a big thing over what a gigantic hypocritical disgusting jackass you are but i'm honestly not even going to bother. Like, a big thing over how I have what a lot of people consider a "mental disorder", but I honestly don't even think it would matter I actually feel kind of bad for even acknowledging you exist. Like i'm giving steaks to the dog that keeps shitting on everything. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Megafan))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=alexguydude;42263091]Gender isn't a societal concept. It's your damn GENDER. You're born male or female. Jesus. You're born male or female it's not a choice. It's biological, and you don't get to choose your DNA. Sexuality is different than gender. I support sexuality decisions, not people thinking they can change their entire gender, chop their dick off, and prance around as a female. It's insane, and the majority of the world still thinks it's insane too for good reason.[/QUOTE] The "natural" claim is a ludicrous claim when you apply it to a subject matter like gender. Gender is a partially societal custom. Society is known to change in ideals over the years. If we didn't, we would be cave-men.
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