Transgender Teen Named Homecoming Queen in Huntington Beach
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[QUOTE=bravehat;42271479]It was going so well until you decided it should be treated, gender dysphoria isn't that simple, you can't just treat it and even then should it be treated? Should you try and force someone to be happy with something they're not happy with when it's something as fundamental to their identity as their sex and gender?[/QUOTE]
Maybe in the future there will be the possibility of preventing gender disorder (or dysphoria if it hurts your feelings that much) while the child is still in the womb so later in life they won't have to go through all the shit trans people do in our time.
[QUOTE=Maxx;42272019]Maybe in the future there will be the possibility of preventing gender disorder (or dysphoria if it hurts your feelings that much) while the child is still in the womb so later in life they won't have to go through all the shit trans people do in our time.[/QUOTE]
It would be nice but it's fairly unlikely from what I know. They haven't actually pinned it down but from what I know the way transgenderism is caused is that the body and mind develop in the womb at two different speeds and a shift in hormones after a certain point will cause a male body and female mind or vice versa to form. And apparently monitoring hormone levels enough to even prove outright that's how it happens seems to be fairly difficult to pull off. Let alone countering it.
[QUOTE=Luafox;42270945]Trans* is an umbrella term that refers to all of the identities within the gender identity spectrum. There’s a ton of diversity there, but we often group them all together (e.g., when we say “trans* issues). Trans (without the asterisk) is best applied to trans men and trans women, while the asterisk makes special note in an effort to include all non-cisgender gender identities, including transgender, transsexual, transvestite, genderqueer, genderfluid, non-binary, genderfuck, genderless, agender, non-gendered, third gender, two-spirit, bigender, and trans man and trans woman.
[url]http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/05/what-does-the-asterisk-in-trans-stand-for/[/url]
garry pls fix edit[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and it's basically a programming/computer reference. The asterisk is used as a wildcard character.
Because different people need to be prevented, not accepted. :V
Honestly, we just need to perfect sex change operations to the point where we can change someone all the way down to their genetics, not change them when they're in the womb to make everyone the same.
Accept their differences and if they want to change then help them, otherwise leave them the way they are, it's not our choice to make.
ok good for them
[editline]22nd September 2013[/editline]
when will things like this stop being news
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[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;42274120]ok good for them
[editline]22nd September 2013[/editline]
when will things like this stop being news[/QUOTE]
When it stops being uncommon.
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;42274120]ok good for them
[editline]22nd September 2013[/editline]
when will things like this stop being news[/QUOTE]When transpersons are treated properly in society on a regular basis the same as anyone else would rightfully expect.
[QUOTE=Shark Bones;42273864]Because different people need to be prevented, not accepted. :V[/QUOTE]
Define "different." What if someone is about to be born deaf? If technology were able to prevent deafness wouldn't that be a good thing? There are deaf people who are against cochlear implants because they think deaf people are special and there's nothing "wrong" with them. Sure being trans might not be as bad as being deaf but where do we draw the line? Where does "different" end and "disorder" begin?
[QUOTE=Maxx;42274189]Define "different." What if someone is about to be born deaf? If technology were able to prevent deafness wouldn't that be a good thing? There are deaf people who are against cochlear implants because they think deaf people are special and there's nothing "wrong" with them. Sure being trans might not be as bad as being deaf but where do we draw the line? Where does "different" end and "disorder" begin?[/QUOTE]
I never considered transgenderism to be a disorder. I'm transgendered myself and I don't consider it a disorder. Whatever it is though, there's literally nothing wrong with it. So there's no point in trying to label it as wrong or as a disorder.
Here we go again.
[QUOTE=Shark Bones;42286059]I never considered transgenderism to be a disorder. I'm transgendered myself and I don't consider it a disorder. Whatever it is though, there's literally nothing wrong with it. So there's no point in trying to label it as wrong or as a disorder.[/QUOTE]
So being in the wrong body is just part of nature's diversity?
[QUOTE=Mingebox;42286361]So being in the wrong body is just part of nature's diversity?[/QUOTE]
Well, honestly, I really can't say for sure. I myself am a very confused individual. I don't know if my "problem" is something all in my head or if it's something I was born with. I'm no expert by any means, all I know is that the gender I associate with is the opposite of the one I was born with. And that, disorder or not, is nothing wrong to me.
I see gender identity as something, like sexuality in a way, that is a totally grey area. There's nothing to show any clear-cut proof of any black or white causes or reasons for transgenderism, all we know is that it's there and that people are significantly different at the personal level than each other.
I see it as something that I don't truly understand, even in my own case, but something that harms nobody and ought not to be looked down upon.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;42274154]When transpersons are treated properly in society on a regular basis the same as anyone else would rightfully expect.[/QUOTE]
Playing devil's advocate here, but if the ultimate goal is to treat transgenders the same as cisgender people, then this isn't news.
If transgender people were treated totally equally, this would just be an article about someone winning homecoming queen because it wouldn't make a difference if she was trans or not. And that wouldn't be worth reporting outside of local news. Equality would mean this story would be just as relevant as a cisgender girl winning homecoming queen. IE: not.
Just sayin'- devil's advocate- don't kill me
[QUOTE=Skyward;42286650]Playing devil's advocate here, but if the ultimate goal is to treat transgenders the same as cisgender people, then this isn't news.
If transgender people were treated totally equally, this would just be an article about someone winning homecoming queen because it wouldn't make a difference if she was trans or not. And that wouldn't be worth reporting outside of local news. Equality would mean this story would be just as relevant as a cisgender girl winning homecoming queen. IE: not.
Just sayin'- devil's advocate- don't kill me[/QUOTE]
yeah but being impartial like you suggest is something that currently can't be afforded. right now this is news because it's rare, and it's rare because transsexuals are treated differently than they deserve, and the fact that this is on the news highlights that and tells people more about it. when it isn't rare (and the problem has thus been fixed) THEN it isn't worth reporting on.
[QUOTE=alexguydude;42262869]It's a comparison to an extreme belief or lifestyle. That's why I said satanists. Something comparable so someone could understand where I'm coming from. I'm not comparing the two, I'm comparing the extremes.
So good job understanding the analogy.[/QUOTE]
the supreme irony (aside from the fact that comparing satanists to transgender people is like comparing mahatma ghandi to the eiffel tower wearing glasses) is that probably like 1% of satanists are extremists or violent, just like any other religion.
[QUOTE=TheChantzGuy;42264871]I'm sorry but if you have a vagina, but you believe that you're a male, then theres something mentally wrong there
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Having a dissenting opinion is part of the discussion, which all have a right to, and people should stop being banned for it.
In response to the actual post, not necessarily. Gender dysphoria is a disorder, which the sufferer has no control over, and there is really nothing mentally wrong with them. However, it [I]does[/I] become a problem when the person refuses to have a surgery or any other gender-changing procedure, but still expects to be treated like the opposite sex. If you look like a man, you're gonna be treated like a man. If you look like a woman, you're gonna be treated like a woman. End of story.
I don't get why people are getting banned for having a dissenting opinion. I mean, what they say may be offensive to people, and pretty ignorant, but they still have a right to that opinion.
you don't have the 'right' to express your opinion regardless of what it is on an internet forum. it's at the forum administrators discretion. facepunch doesn't tolerate racism or homophobia or sexism and now it seems it does not tolerate transphobia either. if you have a problem with that i'm sure there are other forums that DO tolerate these things
[QUOTE=SKEEA;42289441]I don't get why people are getting banned for having a dissenting opinion. I mean, what they say may be offensive to people, and pretty ignorant, but they still have a right to that opinion.[/QUOTE]
We've gone over this literally hundreds of times. Dislike of transpeople is not and will never be a legitimate "opinion".
Black people shouldn't be able to vote because I think they're beneath whites. Don't ban me it's my opinion etc.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;42289441]I don't get why people are getting banned for having a dissenting opinion. I mean, what they say may be offensive to people, and pretty ignorant, but they still have a right to that opinion.[/QUOTE]
Then why do we ban people for racism because that's literally the exact same thing.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;42289441]I don't get why people are getting banned for having a dissenting opinion. I mean, what they say may be offensive to people, and pretty ignorant, but they still have a right to that opinion.[/QUOTE]
Because their dissenting opinion is actually harmful.
It's the same sort of belief that causes (white, higher for PoC) transfolk to have a 12x more likely chance of being fucking murdered.
Has this been posted yet?
[url]http://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2013/09/23/watch-trans-homecoming-queen-distraught-over-bigoted-backlash[/url]
Seriously, you can take your bigoted "opinion" and shove it up your ass. You don't have the right to hurt people.
[QUOTE=Sithramir;42262126]Good for her, but is this really news worthy?[/QUOTE]
keeping in mind the number of brony / furries on this site, maybe its somewhat relevant
[QUOTE=Shark Bones;42286059]I never considered transgenderism to be a disorder. I'm transgendered myself and I don't consider it a disorder. Whatever it is though, there's literally nothing wrong with it. So there's no point in trying to label it as wrong or as a disorder.[/QUOTE]
Sure there is.
Wouldn't you be much happier if you were born to a body you felt comfortable in?
[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;42290293]You would be entirely mistaken.[/QUOTE]
yeah, i forgot bronies are only into the story
[QUOTE=katbug;42290259]Sure there is.
Wouldn't you be much happier if you were born to a body you felt comfortable in?[/QUOTE]
Yes, of course I would, but that doesn't mean I can't deal with what I have been born with. For me, what's outside doesn't really matter as much as what's inside.
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;42274120]ok good for them
[editline]22nd September 2013[/editline]
when will things like this stop being news
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I don't get you people. If you don't give a shit then why do you read it and post? It makes no sense.
Even when something good happens people have to turn this into a debate on whether or not they're woman/man enough.
[QUOTE=katbug;42290259]Sure there is.
Wouldn't you be much happier if you were born to a body you felt comfortable in?[/QUOTE]
There are some people who like being transgender and wouldn't change it if they could, just sayin'.
[editline]24th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Adama;42290074]Has this been posted yet?
[url]http://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2013/09/23/watch-trans-homecoming-queen-distraught-over-bigoted-backlash[/url]
Seriously, you can take your bigoted "opinion" and shove it up your ass. You don't have the right to hurt people.[/QUOTE]
That's really sad. :\
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