Hundreds of neo-Nazis in Germany have gone underground - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Maestro Fenix;51649745]You might be confused with anarchists, and that was before our civil war.[/QUOTE] I said are. I thought the communist party right now in spain were semi important? [editline]10th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51649760]can you make a single post where you're not the victim?[/QUOTE] Can you not make a post about him while not doscussing the topic on hand? Both of you are getting very heavily on my nerves.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51649762]Can you not make a post about him while not doscussing the topic on hand? Both of you are getting very heavily on my nerves.[/QUOTE] Sure. [quote]According to Matthias Quent, a Jena-based researcher into right-wing extremism, the number of neo-Nazis who have gone underground increases the risk of creating new right-wing extremist terrorist structures. In an interview with DW, Quent emphasized that going underground could lead to further radicalization and to political aims being pursued more determinedly, with violence.[/quote] First response for most people is "yay I don't get to hear from their shit" but when you put unstable people in circlejerks, they're going to get more extreme.

[QUOTE=space1;51649323]you can't really kill an idea, regardless of how awful it is in addition, I believe this sort of attitude only fuels the fire. in fact, even the article is aware of this and states: [/B][/QUOTE] Honestly? I think that's a good thing. If more Neo-Nazis are radicalized, they'll eventually try to take action against the status quo, and get curbstomped by the local police - as they should be. The more radical these degenerates get, the less likely society will be sympathetic when they get what they have coming.

[QUOTE=archangel125;51650063]Honestly? I think that's a good thing. If more Neo-Nazis are radicalized, they'll eventually try to take action against the status quo, and get curbstomped by the local police - as they should be. The more radical these degenerates get, the less likely society will be sympathetic when they get what they have coming.[/QUOTE] That's fucking horrible, you think hostility between them and police is a good thing? The more they're radicalized the more likely they are to be in armed conflict with police, the more likely innocent people are to get shot. And hell, these aren't orcs we're talking about, they may be neo-nazis but they are human beings. People can change, people can learn that they were wrong and become better people. But it sounds like you'd rather see them become WORSE people so you can watch them get shot, than see them become better people, move away from bigotry, and avoid anyone getting hurt in the first place. That's despicable.

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;51650101]That's fucking horrible, you think hostility between them and police is a good thing? The more they're radicalized the more likely they are to be in armed conflict with police, the more likely innocent people are to get shot. And hell, these aren't orcs we're talking about, they may be neo-nazis but they are human beings. People can change, people can learn that they were wrong and become better people. But it sounds like you'd rather see them become WORSE people so you can watch them get shot, than see them become better people, move away from bigotry, and avoid anyone getting hurt in the first place. That's despicable.[/QUOTE] Maybe we have different perspectives on people. After growing up in Saudi Arabia and seeing how nasty ideologues can get, first hand, after moving to Canada and developing my identity here, I was so hopeful that the internet and the global sharing of ideas would create a more moderate and tolerant global society. I was wrong. What I found instead is that most people sequester themselves in hugboxes that only confirm the biases they wanted to hold in the first place. They cease to be able to understand the validity of contradictory evidence even when it's right in front of their faces - anything can be arbitrarily dismissed if it doesn't fit your narrative when you're a strict adherent to an ideology. So no, I don't believe that most people in these groups are capable of changing. Sure, a few will have an epiphany and begin to distance themselves from these groups - good for them. The vast majority will pull closer together and become even more radicalized the more challenges there are to their religion. And when the belief is one as inherently harmful and retarded as racial supremacy, they don't deserve coddling - they deserve ridicule and social exile. Such movements ultimately die when their adherents become too stupid and radical to continue to be tolerated by the society they live in, and are subsequently stomped out. Nothing of value to society lost. It isn't entrapment, either. If Neo-Nazis in Germany have made the choice to go underground and risk adopting more radical perspectives, then I can safely say, in advance, good riddance to bad rubbish.

[QUOTE=TestECull;51649305]Perhaps all that fourth reich shitposting on /pol/ isnt just the shenanigans of bored high schoolers after all...[/QUOTE] Our refusal to take neo-nazis seriously has allowed them to infiltrate and subvert our society. We allowed this.

HITLER NEVER DIED [sp]/joke[/sp]

[QUOTE=Trek;51648813]Well... Everywhere? I know for a fact in Poland that commies organize rallies where they fly Soviet Union flags and whatnot. They also do it on the 1st of May in Warsaw. I feel I don't even have to mention Antifa. Without being mocked? Nowhere I guess, most of the population laugh at those idiots, lol. But they still are public. Where did I say nazis were ok? Learn to read before discussing politics.[/QUOTE] Sorry if this is unrelated, but I don't think it's really productive to even attempt to compare communist ideology to nazis. Although the outcome in practice are usually similar in terms of resulting innocent deaths, the fact is that -unlike nazis- communists do not literally promote racial genocide.

Toby they definitely [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_Soviet_Union"]promoted genocide on the racial/tribal basis[/URL]. Hell, it's fair to say they actually outdid the national socialist in terms of numbers and complete demographic collapse in certain areas, where those areas were later repopulated with a prefered population. Cossacks were slaughtered left and right, Holodomor was a forced famine on the basis of causing a demographic collapse relating to the Ukrainian population, and the Tatars were pretty much got the whole deport/kill treatment.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51657483]Toby they definitely [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_Soviet_Union]promoted genocide on the racial/tribal basis[/url]. Hell, it's fair to say they actually outdid the national socialist in terms of racial and demographic genocide. Cossacks were slaughtered left and right, Holodomor was a forced famine on the basis of causing a demographic collapse relating to the Ukrainian population, and the Tatars were pretty much got the whole deport/kill treatment.[/QUOTE] But what does communism as an ideology have to do with the crimes the government of the Soviet Union committed? How is it comparable to the basic beliefs of Nazism? That's the point Toby's trying to make, and he's right.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51657483]Toby they definitely [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_Soviet_Union]promoted genocide on the racial/tribal basis[/url]. Hell, it's fair to say they actually outdid the national socialist in terms of racial and demographic genocide. Cossacks were slaughtered left and right, Holodomor was a forced famine on the basis of causing a demographic collapse relating to the Ukrainian population, and the Tatars were pretty much got the whole deport/kill treatment.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but modern day communists do not condone this, and certainly they don't define is as one of the guiding principles of their ideology. I'm not saying communism was any bit less shitty in practice, but the difference is pretty clear. That's a bit like comparing Nazi ideologies to Christianity and citing the inquisition. All I'm saying is that there's a fundamental difference in the ideologies themselves. You can't be a nazi while also not being a white supremacist, but I'm willing to bet that most modern proponents of communism in the west do not agree with any racial segregation.

[QUOTE=archangel125;51657503]But what does communism as an ideology have to do with the government of the Soviet Union? How is it comparable to the basic beliefs of Nazism? That's the point Toby's trying to make, and he's right.[/QUOTE] Because said governments were representative of communist/socialist movements? You cannot disconnect a group from the ideology and concepts which formed the bedrock of their governments. Even the founding fathers of communism were for the most part a bunch of racist jackasses. Karl Marx for example use to take jabs at another socialist for having "nigger-like features".

I think it would be fairer to compare Fascism to Communism rather than using straight up Nazism. The inherent Racism/Genocidal is taken out then and puts it at more of a comparable field. Just like Communists, Fascists don't inherently have to be racists (it is possible, just not historically/realistically likely). But expansion/homogenizing the population usually entails with it. But in all seriousness though, throughout history communist societies haven proven to be just as deadly, if not far more by numbers/indiscriminate targeting, than Fascist governments. It's just that alot of communists maintain communism as an ideal, but are functionally socialist, and pretty harmless if they play into the democratic process.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51657548]Because said governments were representative of communist/socialist movements? You cannot disconnect a group from the ideology and concepts which formed the bedrock of their governments. Even the founding fathers of communism were for the most part a bunch of racist jackasses. Karl Marx for example use to take jabs at another socialist for having "nigger-like features".[/QUOTE] Not a fair comparison. The actual communist manifesto by Marx says nothing about racial superiority or genocide - it makes the distinction that societal woes are because of class. That is what I'm referring to. The practices of a government that claimed to adopt said ideology, or the personal biases of the person who penned said ideology, are totally irrelevant. Nazism, on the other hand, preaches superiority of one ethnic phenotype, inferiority of others, and advocates genocide to 'purify' the human race. In other words, they're not comparable ideologies at all. About the only thing they have in common, as Tudd said, is that they're both authoritarian. Don't compare socialism to communism, either. they're hardly alike at all. Canada can be said to practice Democratic socialism, and it's a far cry from Nazi germany or the USSR's methods of governance. Democratic communism is technically possible, but only in very small groups of people.

[QUOTE=space1;51649323]you can't really kill an idea, regardless of how awful it is in addition, I believe this sort of attitude only fuels the fire. in fact, even the article is aware of this and states: [/B][/QUOTE] You can knock it down and cause it to become so irrelevant that the majority of society doesn't recognize it. It's quite similar to dealing with racism.