mom who took son into hiding to save his foreskin sobs in court as she signs consent for circumcisio - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;47807111]But isn't the entire point of a contract to be a legally binding document so no party involved can reneger on their part without consent of the other parties?[/QUOTE] Yes but the article states that the court made her sign an agreement, so whatever agreement they had may still be enforceable, but you can't write a contract that includes 'And you have to sign any contract to make this possible' or something.

[QUOTE=El_Jameo;47807007]Having this kind of operation done to a child as young as 4 is a pretty horrifying experience to go though. I mean, at least if you're a baby/infant you won't remember it but past that it's defo something you won't forget. I had one last week today and it's not a good time, but at least I had a reason for it. That boy will be in tears for weeks.[/QUOTE] this is the most casual i've ever seen anyone be about being circumcised last week

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47807934]Yes there is, it's called not cutting babies for no reason[/QUOTE] It's easier to clean and has been [url=http://www.who.int/hiv/mediacentre/news68/en/]repeatedly shown to substantially reduce risk of transmitting STDs.[/url] There's no major harm being done provided the procedure is done correctly, and the complication ratings are completely average, it's more justified than most tonsillectomies but nobody ever bats an eye at those.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;47807930]Contrary to popular belief there's not really a point in having it either.[/QUOTE] Neither is there a point to having any toes besides your big one, yet I do not see people lopping them off en masse. Probably because they are not part of the human sexuality, and all the "closer to God", "looks nicer" and "stops diseases" bullshit are just excuses made up to hide the fact it was introduced as a way to stop young children from masturbating during a time when sexuality beyond vaginal penetrative sex between a man and a woman in wedlock with the lights off for the sole purpose of procreation was considered sinful and wicked. In some cultures even young girls are circumcised, resulting in the removal of the entire clitoris. I don't see people arguing how that's okay because it's "just normal", "looks nicer" or "stops diseases".

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;47807930]Contrary to popular belief there's not really a point in having it either.[/QUOTE] First: ...Yeah, there kind of is. Unless you can prove otherwise, I'm going to stick with the research and sources that say "it's useful." Second: how is that even worth mentioning? That doesn't justify removing something. Ear lobes have no use, therefore that's argument to get rid of them at birth.

I like the fact that right now the argument for this is that 'uncircumsized penises are generally more smelly eww'

[QUOTE=V12US;47807993]In some cultures even young girls are circumcised, resulting in the removal of the entire clitoris. I don't see people arguing how that's okay because it's "just normal", "looks nicer" or "stops diseases".[/QUOTE] Well... Yeah, no shit. Because those cultures aren't the dominant cultures of the world. Of course no one is going to think those traditions are "normal" or "look nicer."

[QUOTE=V12US;47807993]Neither is there a point to having any toes besides your big one, yet I do not see people lopping them off en masse. Probably because they are not part of the human sexuality, and all the "closer to God", "looks nicer" and [b]"stops diseases"[/b] bullshit are just excuses made up to hide the fact it was introduced as a way to stop young children from masturbating during a time when sexuality beyond vaginal penetrative sex between a man and a woman in wedlock with the lights off for the sole purpose of procreation was considered sinful and wicked. In some cultures even young girls are circumcised, resulting in the removal of the entire clitoris. I don't see people arguing how that's okay because it's "just normal", "looks nicer" or "stops diseases".[/QUOTE] Consistent statistical evidence is not "bullshit excuses", and female genital mutilation is a completely incomparable process that would be closer to chopping the penis in half.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;47808010]Consistent statistical evidence is not "bullshit excuses", and female genital mutilation is a completely incomparable process that would be closer to chopping the penis in half.[/QUOTE] Correlation =/= causation. Of course having a fold of skin in which bacteria can manifest, can also serve to hold other infections and transmit them. But then again, actually caring for your body would prevent such a thing from happening. If you try to pull the statistics from the western hemisphere where the majority of men are circumcised, then the pool of involved individuals who aren't is drastically smaller and prone to bias

What crime did she commit, and was charged with, that allows her to be held indefinitely unless she signs away her kid's penis skin? I don't know of any law book that mentions such a law.

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Again it's Florida. Good god...

[QUOTE=draugur;47808046]What crime did she commit, and was charged with, that allows her to be held indefinitely unless she signs away her kid's penis skin? I don't know of any law book that mentions such a law.[/QUOTE] Breaking a contract she legally signed

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;47808010]Consistent statistical evidence is not "bullshit excuses", and female genital mutilation is a completely incomparable process that would be closer to chopping the penis in half.[/QUOTE] If they could've chopped the penis in half, they probably would have. Problem is that kind of fucks up the ability of a man to impregnate women, so cutting off the skin to make it more difficult for a man to reach orgasm without a vagina or similar substitute would do. Female circumcision is far easier for the nutjobs, because the clitoris does not serve a critical role during coitus. Every time you defend your lack of foreskin for your own self-esteem, you contribute to sustaining a society where little children's genitals are mutilated at an age where they cannot even understand what's going on.

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;47807991]Babies don't risk fatal infections from a lack of circumsion[/QUOTE] No but it can cause a whole set of other complications. There have been many accounts of babies who almost lost their dick when circumsized. It also has been shown that men who are circumsized grow more hair up the shaft of their dick than uncircumsized men because of the increased friction. Of course that last one can have horrible mental effects on someone because of how taboo talking about such a thing could be, to the point where they may be too afraid to have sex or engage in sexual acts with someone out of fear of their "abnormal" penis hair.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;47808059]Breaking a contract she legally signed[/QUOTE] How did a contract like that even get approved? It's total nonsense

ah of course the circumcision debate on facepunch comes out again. she agreed in a court proceeding and went back on her word, of course this was going to turn legal. also, is circumcision really that big of a deal where she had to kidnap the child and run off? and then make a scene in court for it to turn into a national news story? she's completely wrong here, regardless of her or any of your opinions on circumcision

this is pretty horrible to read tbh

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;47806678]Hi I consider myself a feminist and think this is bullshit.[/QUOTE] Hi I'm a feminist and you guys should stop replying to this obvious Trollbait

I thought only Jews and Muslims did this, I looked it up on Wikipedia and was surprised circumcision was so widely spread in the US. People are against vaccination, but still cut their kids, talk about being all backwards...

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;47806671]who the fuck unbanned you[/QUOTE] Same entity that unbanned you almost 90 months ago.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47807984]this is the most casual i've ever seen anyone be about being circumcised last week[/QUOTE] I was meant to have it over Christmas but it got moved for some reason to Easter, to which it was delayed again. I've had time to "prepare", but I was pretty desperate to get it done from the beginning. I've also been under the knife quite a few times so it doesn't phase me too much. welcome to my mini blog

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;47807728]Am I the only one in here who thinks circumcision isn't that big of a deal? Still, do it when they are a very young infant, not after they've had time to grow. Besides, a lot of women actually prefer it because they think it looks cleaner and nicer. It's cosmetic, yes, and thats kind of what makes this case fucked up. Regardless, the practice itself is really no big deal.[/QUOTE] It's a big deal because it's a permanent change that you're inflicting on someone who is too young to even realize what you're doing. If, when you're an adult, you want to get circumsized, then do it. It's your body, do what you want with it. But someone else shouldn't decide whether you're getting circumsized or not.

Should circumcision be the soul decision of the penis holder except under medical evaluation? [I]Yes[/I]. Are circumcised individuals horribly mutilated frankenstein beasts because they're circumsized? [I]No[/I]. Set down the torches and pitch forks folks. They're just like everyone else. If your dick hasn't been circumcised it's OK. It's still special. But so is the circumcised bloke's, so have some respect for the people you're supposedly trying to help.

[QUOTE=stupid10er;47808087]ah of course the circumcision debate on facepunch comes out again. she agreed in a court proceeding and went back on her word, of course this was going to turn legal. also, is circumcision really that big of a deal where she had to kidnap the child and run off? and then make a scene in court for it to turn into a national news story? she's completely wrong here, regardless of her or any of your opinions on circumcision[/QUOTE] Basically this, signing an agreement and then taking it back and running off with your child is basically illegal.

[QUOTE=Jojje;47807477]No, you'd be hard pressed to find circumcised men in Europe. At least those who aren't Jews. Yeah Jesus isn't their Messiah, they're still waiting[/QUOTE] Jews see Jesus as a heretic, and I don't think they're waiting for anyone but God.

[QUOTE=Rainboo;47807804]I honestly agree. Me and like almost all of the dudes in my country have gone through circumcision. Of course I'm not saying that tradition justifies the practice, but the fact is that nobody really minds here. It's honestly not that big of a deal. Mine was done when I was pretty much a baby. And no one really cares about it, in fact we think it's nice and hygienic as it doesn't smell bad like uncircumcised dicks generally do and just generally looks better and stuff. You guys make it sound like it involves removing a limb or something.[/QUOTE] Well, duh. You being from the Philippines definitely is a contributor for that mentality. Circumcision there is almost entirely universal, and there is a stigma with not being circumcised, 'supot' seems enough to be pejorative. Rarely anybody over there seems to question, or defy the almost disturbingly blind following of that near-universal custom.

Why do Americans circumcise their kids?

[QUOTE=Doozle;47808520]Why do Americans circumcise their kids?[/QUOTE] Stupid tradition

[QUOTE=Doozle;47808520]Why do Americans circumcise their kids?[/QUOTE] seems to be mostly - Religion; personal beliefs on cleanliness regarding circumcision, and personal beliefs of what woman/men think looks good. Other than that, I don't think much else whenever the circumcision debate pops up on FP I always end up feeling like a freak for having the choice be made for me on whether or not I lost some dick skin