Steep Decline In Americans' Belief In Global Warming - Polidicks

[QUOTE=TH89;17970674]Two things: 1 - All reputable scientific organizations have reached a consensus on this, so for them to all be faking would require either everyone to be some kind of massive conspiracy (since scientific research is publicly available and anyone with a background in climate science can and do fact-check these studies as they come out), or essentially all climate scientists to be in it for nothing other than the money (even though most of them don't really make that much). Neither is very plausible. 2 - Even if it WAS an enormous fraud in order to get funding, as soon as it became clear they were lying about it for money, they would lose ALL their funding and their credibility as organizations would be ruined forever. So to perpetrate a massive fraud now (or even play up statistics) for a little extra money would be a stupendously short-sighted and stupid move on the part of the scientists. They make their reputation by being right about things as often and in as much detail as possible.[/QUOTE] So it's settled. They're all lying. It's a well-known fact that all climatologists are short-sighted. It is their crippling weakness.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17970672]I like how people are bitching that Penn (and Teller too probably) got it wrong one time when basically every other thing they say is awesome. If we held politicians to this standard no one would vote.[/QUOTE] Look, this isn't fucking rocket science. If your episode is about climate, get a motherfucking climatologist. I won't stand for this kind of obvious buffoonery.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17970686]Look, this isn't fucking rocket science. If your episode is about climate, get a motherfucking climatologist. I won't stand for this kind of obvious buffoonery.[/QUOTE] Yes! Fight the buffoonery by whining on a forum. You are sure not taking their shit. E-mail Penn and get him to do an episode of Penn Says about why they fucked up

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17970672]I like how people are bitching that Penn (and Teller too probably) got it wrong one time when basically every other thing they say is awesome.[/QUOTE] It's not that they "got it wrong," it's that they were clearly pushing a far-right agenda to begin with (which they generally are). They didn't "accidentally" bring their Cato homies on the show while randomly picking people with opinions about it. Besides which, if they were this disingenuous about this issue I don't see any reason to assume they haven't been about others. You think they're "awesome" because you agree with them, which is fine. And they're very entertaining. But as source of factual information it's not really any better than O'Reilly or Michael Moore.

Damn. I misread the title. Also, I feel the same way about "Global Warming".

[QUOTE=TH89;17970704]It's not that they "got it wrong," it's that they were clearly pushing a far-right agenda to begin with (which they generally are).[/QUOTE] They're hardly far-right.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17970703]Yes! Fight the buffoonery by whining on a forum. You are sure not taking their shit. E-mail Penn and get him to do an episode of Penn Says about why they fucked up[/QUOTE] That seems a bit internet tough guy for a moderator. You do realize there's a difference between calling out their shit and going on a crusade to get him to acknowledge it, right? He's a dumbass for fucking up, and if he can't realize he fucked up without my help he's even more of a dumbass.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17970719]They're hardly far-right.[/QUOTE] Minarchism is pretty far right.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17970725]That seems a bit internet tough guy for a moderator. You do realize there's a difference between calling out their shit and going on a crusade to get him to acknowledge it, right? He's a dumbass for fucking up, and if he can't realize he fucked up without my help he's even more of a dumbass.[/QUOTE] You're the one who said you weren't standing for their shit and yet you aren't actually doing anything about it. Calling them out isn't really not standing for it. Glenn Beck is a moron but I don't say I'm not gonna stand for his shit. I just acknowledge that I think he's a moron and ignore him. Not standing for it would probably involve torches and pitchforks and angry townsfolk.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17970719]They're hardly far-right.[/QUOTE] They're just far up their own asses. But they're show hosts, that's their job. Sort of like how Japanese show host's jobs are to laugh at the pain of others.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17970725]He's a dumbass for fucking up, and if he can't realize he fucked up without my help he's even more of a dumbass.[/QUOTE] He didn't fuck up though, that's the point. He's far too smart not to know exactly what he was doing.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17970736]You're the one who said you weren't standing for their shit and yet you aren't actually doing anything about it. Calling them out isn't really not standing for it. Glenn Beck is a moron but I don't say I'm not gonna stand for his shit. I just acknowledge that I think he's a moron and ignore him. Not standing for it would probably involve torches and pitchforks and angry townsfolk.[/QUOTE] I'm not going to not acknowledge their shit when the subject of their show is brought up. Happy? [editline]06:54AM[/editline] [QUOTE=TH89;17970744]He didn't fuck up though, that's the point. He's far too smart not to know exactly what he was doing.[/QUOTE] Then he's an asshole liar. Asshole liar or stupid incompetent, take your pick.

[QUOTE=TH89;17970744]He didn't fuck up though, that's the point. He's far too smart not to know exactly what he was doing.[/QUOTE] I don't think they purposely avoided climatologists because they know they're wrong, or I'd sure hope they didn't. Otherwise I'd consider it a fuck up. [editline]02:55AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17970752]I'm not going to not acknowledge their shit when the subject of their show is brought up. Happy?[/QUOTE] Yeah, sure.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17970757]I don't think they purposely avoided climatologists because they know they're wrong, or I'd sure hope they didn't. Otherwise I'd consider it a fuck up.[/QUOTE] How do you avoid climatologists any other way? You're telling me they can find the appropriate scientists for everything except the subject they're already decided on?

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17970761]How do you avoid climatologists any other way?[/QUOTE] You don't. That's why I said I hope it's a fuck up and not purposeful avoidance.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17970757]I don't think they purposely avoided climatologists because they know they're wrong, or I'd sure hope they didn't. Otherwise I'd consider it a fuck up.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying they were intentionally trying to lie to people. I hope they're not (although who can tell, in the entertainment industry). But they obviously stacked the deck in favor of the side they wanted to look good, despite their protestations of neutrality. You can't ACCIDENTALLY not have any climate scientists on a show where you're talking about climate science. I mean, they pitted professional political speakers against idiot kids ffs. Pretty Moore-esque in approach, and about as disingenuous.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17970761]How do you avoid climatologists any other way?[/QUOTE] You don't. That's why I said I hope it's a fuck up and not purposeful avoidance. [editline]03:00AM[/editline] [QUOTE=TH89;17970776]But they obviously stacked the deck in favor of the side they wanted to look good, despite their protestations of neutrality.[/QUOTE] They don't really claim to be neutral, but yes. [quote=Penn]"... we're fair and we never take people out of context. We're biased as all fuck. But, we try to be honest."[/quote] [editline]03:01AM[/editline] [QUOTE=TH89;17970776]I'm not saying they were intentionally trying to lie to people. I hope they're not (although who can tell, in the entertainment industry).[/QUOTE] Well, they did start off with a career in lying to people.

Sweet, it's about time that people learn that climate change is nothing but a scam... The planets control itself, and we are not doing harm to it (unless we develop a missle to destroy planets, then we should be pissing our pants).

[QUOTE=darkedone02;17970884]Sweet, it's about time that people learn that climate change is nothing but a scam... The planets control itself, and we are not doing harm to it (unless we develop a missle to destroy planets, then we should be pissing our pants).[/QUOTE] Sometimes I get this good feeling like everything is going to turn out great. Then I remember that people like you exist. People who are willing to dismiss the entire scientific community based on "the planet controls itself". Then my heart drops like a rock and I fall into a deep depression.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17970895]Sometimes I get this good feeling like everything is going to turn out great. Then I remember that people like you exist. People who are willing to dismiss the entire scientific community based on "the planet controls itself". Then my heart drops like a rock and I fall into a deep depression.[/QUOTE] If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?

[QUOTE=TH89;17970911]If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?[/QUOTE] Because we did NOT. We evolved from humanoid, not a monkey.

[QUOTE=johanz;17970914]Because we did NOT. We evolved from humanoid, not a monkey.[/QUOTE] I was making fun of darkedone.

And we did evolve from monkeys. [editline]07:29AM[/editline] Just not modern monkeys.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17970925]And we did evolve from monkeys. [editline]07:29AM[/editline] Just not modern monkeys.[/QUOTE] If we are talking about that far monkeys developed on ancient monkey too because as far as we go in evolution there is bound to be common ancestor sooner or later.

[QUOTE=ripsipiirakk;17970940]If we are talking about that far monkeys developed on ancient monkey too because as far as we go in evolution there is bound to be common ancestor sooner or later.[/QUOTE] I don't think ancient monkeys developed on an ancient monkey. I suggest you stop smoking that shit.

You are all treating this as though this was a religion. Mainly the people who believe in global warming.

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;17970956]You are all treating this as though this was a religion. Mainly the people who believe in global warming.[/QUOTE] No, we're face palming because people are denying a fucking obvious fact supported by the entire relevant field for stupid fucking reasons. And it's going to fuck shit up because of that. My shit.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17970757]I don't think they purposely avoided climatologists because they know they're wrong, or I'd sure hope they didn't. Otherwise I'd consider it a fuck up. [/QUOTE] If they did, that would make it the second time. They also went back and admitted they were wrong on second hand smoke.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17971052]No, we're face palming because people are denying a fucking obvious fact supported by the entire relevant field for stupid fucking reasons. And it's going to fuck shit up because of that. My shit.[/QUOTE] Would you like to have a society with no skeptisism what so ever?

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;17971063]Would you like to have a society with no skeptisism what so ever?[/QUOTE] I'm skeptical of the fact that you just said that so I'm going to assume you agreed with me and that you disagreeing with me can never happen.