Steep Decline In Americans' Belief In Global Warming - Polidicks

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;17978319]but the thing is, the ice that is going to be melting first is above the surface of the water.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17978307]Ah, close but no cigar. While it's true that ice is less dense than water, ice only displaces as much water as is necessary for it to float, meaning a lot of ice is above the water. When it melts, what was in one concentrated location above the water is now in the water everywhere, raising the sea level.[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter. The melted ice becomes water, but the mass of the ice becomes less and less water needs to be displaced in order to keep it afloat. The water level gain from the melted ice will be exactly equal to the change in the amount of water displaced by the ice. I can prove this for you more rigorously later, but I'm a tad busy right now.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17978373]It doesn't matter. The melted ice becomes water, but the mass of the ice becomes less and less water needs to be displaced in order to keep it afloat. The water level gain from the melted ice will be exactly equal to the change in the amount of water displaced by the ice.[/QUOTE] What about land based ice? Or the environmental consequences of having so much more open ocean than ice?

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17978426]What about land based ice? Or the environmental consequences of having so much more open ocean than ice?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17978221]This doesn't take into account runoff from something melting glaciers in Greenland, though. I'm just talking about the polar ice caps.[/QUOTE] I'm not trying to start an argument here. Just an interesting fact. Also, this technically doesn't apply to Antarctica exact because there is land beneath the ice sheet.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17978426]What about land based ice? Or the environmental consequences of having so much more open ocean than ice?[/QUOTE] What about the untold amount of non-salty water liberated from the melt of those ice ?

[url]http://www.epa.gov/climate/climatechange/effects/coastal/index.html[/url]

[QUOTE=TH89;17970359]It's totally this guy's fault. He's like the Kent Hovind of climate science. [img]http://www.npr.org/thisibelieve/jillette/jillette_lg.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] he's kinda like the al gore of climate science oh wait

[QUOTE=Cheesemonkey;17979400]he's kinda like the al gore of climate science oh wait[/QUOTE] What are you doing

to be honest i don't know

He has about as much credentials as Al Gore. And before you say how he has no information on the topics, they do have research teams on Bullshit .

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;17979859]He has about as much credentials as Al Gore. And before you say how he has no information on the topics, they do have research teams on Bullshit .[/QUOTE] I know. Their research teams cherrypick information to support their position.

[QUOTE=TH89;17979961]I know. Their research teams cherrypick information to support their position.[/QUOTE] Got any proof of that? It's easy to say the same for Al Gore.

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;17979990]Got any proof of that?[/QUOTE] Um, the information in their show is cherry-picked to support their point of view, and it wouldn't make sense to hire people to do research you weren't going to use, so... [QUOTE=Carbon Knight;17979990]It's easy to say the same for Al Gore.[/QUOTE] What exactly does Al Gore have to do with any of this?

The Clash solved this for me with London Calling.

[QUOTE=TH89;17980017] What exactly does Al Gore have to do with any of this?[/QUOTE] Because that was what Bullshit was arguing agaisnt. [QUOTE=TH89;17980017]Um, the information in their show is cherry-picked to support their point of view, and it wouldn't make sense to hire people to do research you weren't going to use, so...[/QUOTE] So your only proof is your opinion?

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;17980041]Because that was what Bullshit was arguing agaisnt.[/QUOTE] They were (indirectly) arguing against the scientific consensus on climate change. Which is why they didn't bring any climate scientists on the show, and represented the climate change side with dumb protesters. [QUOTE=Carbon Knight;17980041]So your only proof is your opinion?[/QUOTE] I already posted this, like, twice: [url]http://logicalscience.com/skeptics/bullsheit.html[/url]

[QUOTE=TH89;17980061]They were (indirectly) arguing against the scientific consensus on climate change. Which is why they didn't bring any climate scientists on the show, and represented the climate change side with dumb protesters. I already posted this, like, twice: [url]http://logicalscience.com/skeptics/bullsheit.html[/url][/QUOTE] [quote]We would just like to point out that Penn Jillette is a research fellow of the ExxonMobil and Industry funded CATO institute which has strong minarchist leanings.[/quote] Same can be said for Al gore, he is biassed in the sense that he owns a major carbon credit company. That's all I can personally comment on about that website without it being harsh speculation. Also they were arguing about the hysteria of it. In the end they admited they had no clear understanding of whether it is true, whether it's a natural process or if we are to blame. They didn't say climate change in general was BS, only that the hysteria of it is.

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;17980148]Same can be said for Al gore, he is biassed in the sense that he owns a major carbon credit company.[/QUOTE] Yes, Al Gore is an ignorant windbag who has no authority to speak on climate science. So is Penn Jillette. Why you're elevating one above the other I can't imagine. [editline]12:35AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Carbon Knight;17980148]Also they were arguing about the hysteria of it. In the end they admited they had no clear understanding of whether it is true, whether it's a natural process or if we are to blame. They didn't say climate change in general was BS, only that the hysteria of it is.[/QUOTE] Read the article.

[QUOTE=TH89;17980174]Yes, Al Gore is an ignorant windbag who has no authority to speak on climate science. So is Penn Jillette. Why you're elevating one above the other I can't imagine. [/QUOTE] My problem was that you were calling Penn Jillette Kent Hovind when that would be more fitting a role for Al Gore. Kent Hovind * Calls it absolute truth * Has an agenda Al Gore * Calls it absolute truth * Has an agenda Penn Jillette * States he is unsure whether it is real or not * Has an agenda

I'm of the opinion that true or not, it doesn't matter. I'll be long gone by the time this affects me in the slightest. Look, there's a difference between planning for the future and unnecessarily inconveniencing your present in order to make a better future based on shaky predictions. Let alone making a better future for when you're dead. As short-sighted as it may seem, I believe in (mostly) living in the present and dealing with problems when they arise. The terms "problem" or "disaster" seem pretty subjective to me; we will survive, and the stories will shape who we are as a people, just as they have many times before.

[QUOTE=ryandaniels;17980332]I'm of the opinion that true or not, it doesn't matter. I'll be long gone by the time this affects me in the slightest. Look, there's a difference between planning for the future and unnecessarily inconveniencing your present in order to make a better future based on shaky predictions. Let alone making a better future for when you're dead. As short-sighted as it may seem, I believe in (mostly) living in the present and dealing with problems when they arise. The terms "problem" or "disaster" seem pretty subjective to me; we will survive, and the stories will shape who we are as a people, just as they have many times before.[/QUOTE] Although I am skeptical of climate change I must say that is a pretty selfish thing to say.

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;17980482]Although I am skeptical of climate change I must say that is a pretty selfish thing to say.[/QUOTE] And I'm sure you can come up with an argument as to why I should give a fuck about anyone else despite many others trying and failing? The truth is, for all intents and purposes, the only person in the universe that actually exists is yourself.

[QUOTE=ryandaniels;17980332]Look, there's a difference between planning for the future and unnecessarily inconveniencing your present in order to make a better future based on shaky predictions. Let alone making a better future for when you're dead.[/QUOTE] Belief in anthropogenic climate change is not based on "shaky predictions," it's based decades of research and data and studies. [editline]06:01PM[/editline] [QUOTE=ryandaniels;17980522]And I'm sure you can come up with an argument as to why I should give a fuck about anyone else despite many others trying and failing?[/QUOTE] You should give a fuck about other people because you're a spoiled teenager who relies on other people to get by in the world, just like everyone else. If everyone else in the world died, so would you because, chances are, you're not some Übermensch who can survive all on his own. Did you pay for your own schooling? Do you pay for the roads you use every day? Are you even old enough to be paying taxes? [QUOTE=ryandaniels;17980522]The truth is, for all intents and purposes, the only person in the universe that actually exists is yourself.[/QUOTE] whoa that's deep dude *cough, hack* now pass it

Also I hate saying that but I can't seem to find a way to deny it [editline]06:02PM[/editline] broke my automerge

[QUOTE=ryandaniels;17980549]Also I hate saying that but I can't seem to find a way to deny it[/QUOTE] how about I deny it like this: this isn't philosophy class, this is the real world I mean if you want to go around not caring about things because they may not be real, go ahead. That's what Diogenes and homeless people do.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;17980533]Belief in anthropogenic climate change is not based on "shaky predictions," it's based decades of research and data and studies. [/quote] Ok fine, let's assume that Global warming is caused by us, I will honestly say I'm not qualified to make an argument about that. However, I already appropriated for that; something about "true or not". [quote] You should give a fuck about other people because you're a spoiled teenager who relies on other people to get by in the world. [/quote] Not really a point, you assume that I have to reciprocate the conveniences of others. Although you touch on the one plausible argument for being nice; the hope that others will reciprocate. Personally, I'm just nice to people because it makes me all feel fuzzy inside. I basically live by the tenets of social responsibility, I just realize they are illogical. [quote] whoa that's deep dude *cough, hack* now pass it[/QUOTE] It's true despite your immediate rejection of it. [editline]06:09PM[/editline] Also, I'm a big fan, sigma :buddy:

[QUOTE=ryandaniels;17980630]It's true despite your immediate rejection of it.[/QUOTE] don't act like I'm some sheltered child whose mind you're opening against his will. I went through the same phase you're going through now. It was fun while it lasted but then I started going to college and having responsibilities and I realized that you're not going to get anywhere in life if you base your entire personality around what you learned in Existentialism 101. [editline]06:11PM[/editline] [QUOTE=ryandaniels;17980630]Also, I'm a big fan, sigma :buddy:[/QUOTE] I am not sure what this means

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;17980685]don't act like I'm some sheltered child whose mind you're opening against his will. I went through the same phase you're going through now. It was fun while it lasted but then I started going to college and having responsibilities and I realized that you're not going to get anywhere in life if you base your entire personality around what you learned in Existentialism 101. [editline]06:11PM[/editline] I am not sure what this means[/QUOTE] Sorry, I didn't mean to talk down to you. And I wasn't saying that I'm going to wander the streets because nothing's real, I accept that a certain amount of hope, if illogical, must be had if one wants to live. However, that's a far cry from changing my life so some people a thousand years from now don't have one crisis on their hands instead of another. And it means that I usually find your posts to be pretty intelligent.

[QUOTE=ryandaniels;17980759] And it means that I usually find your posts to be pretty intelligent.[/QUOTE] well, uh, thanks

Given that the average American is a dumbass, this is pretty well known.

[QUOTE=Spacewolf;17981266]Given that the average American is a dumbass, this is pretty well known.[/QUOTE] Half of them are dumber than average, too.