War with US under Donald Trump "becoming practical reality", says China military official - Polidicks

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51742739]No, China is not good news. Let's not pretend China are a good guy. They treat their citizens terribly. They are incredibly anti-democratic. While they're good for business and are tackling their own climate change habits, their government is still incredibly corrupt and wrong. But a war between China and USA or whatever would be a catastrophe. One hopes that eventually China will become democratic. But I fear there will be awful consequences for that to happen.[/QUOTE] Of course China isn't "good" It's just super weird to see them occasionally be the voice of reason

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;51742775]Of course China isn't "good" It's just super weird to see them occasionally be the voice of reason[/QUOTE] It's not reason, it's opportunism and posturing.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51742643]Just build a Chinese Wall.[/QUOTE] They did it before it was cool. And when you couldn't fly over it. I really think people need to understand that Trump isn't an idiot. There's nothing a populist leader wants more than to be underestimated and I learned that lesson from Maduro, he's not screwing with China for no reason, he wants something from them.

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;51742775]Of course China isn't "good" It's just super weird to see them occasionally be the voice of reason[/QUOTE] They're not being reasonable though. Trump has been aggressive in his rhetoric towards China, that much is true. But their reaction to the Taiwan situation was blind in my opinion and he hasn't done things like his Muslim ban or trying to force Mexico to pay for the wall to them, for example.

[QUOTE=Thlis;51742761]It's pretty disgusting to see post's like that. It's just so completely naive and lacking in perspective.[/QUOTE] I was just having a bit of fun, apologies if it looked like it had weight behind it.

[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;51742667]US, UK, Russia are the Axis Europe, China & Canada are the Allies[/QUOTE] I know this is a shitpost but I highly doubt Canada would side against us in a major war if it came down to it

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51742739]No, China is not good news. Let's not pretend China are a good guy. They treat their citizens terribly. They are incredibly anti-democratic. While they're good for business and are tackling their own climate change habits, their government is still incredibly corrupt and wrong. But a war between China and USA or whatever would be a catastrophe. One hopes that eventually China will become democratic. But I fear there will be awful consequences for that to happen.[/QUOTE] True the Chinese government is pretty despicable, what with their oppression and ridiculous territorial claims. But I'd say right now Trump is the worse of 2 evils in terms of global stability.

[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;51742791]I was just having a bit of fun, apologies if it looked like it had weight behind it.[/QUOTE] eeeeeeee I should have realised you weren't being serious, woops. But I was trying to aim my post more in general.

I'm in the drafting age too this is some fucking massive bullshit

[QUOTE=CertainDOOM;51742795]True the Chinese government is pretty despicable, what with their oppression and ridiculous territorial claims. But I'd say right now Trump is the worse of 2 evils in terms of global stability.[/QUOTE] Trump can be dealt with easily however and in the worst case scenario his term will be 8 years (and considering what's happening right now, it's very clearly going to be 4 years). Unless I'm missing something important, I don't see the Chinese government radically changing within the next decade.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51742799]eeeeeeee I should have realised you weren't being serious, woops. But I was trying to aim my post more in general.[/QUOTE] Nah it's my fault that it could've been taken that way. Globally we're in a tricky situation with alliances/sanctions becoming more blurred so I can see why you'd take it that way. No harm done.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51742805]Trump can be dealt with easily however and in the worst case scenario his term will be 8 years (and considering what's happening right now, it's very clearly going to be 4 years). Unless I'm missing something important, I don't see the Chinese government radically changing within the next decade.[/QUOTE] True enough. China is something that needs to be dealt with slowly though.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51742805]Trump can be dealt with easily however and in the worst case scenario his term will be 8 years (and considering what's happening right now, it's very clearly going to be 4 weeks).[/QUOTE] I had to fix this, I am sorry.

Could the US fucking not go that route, last thing we need is another Cold war, last time we all scratched by the nuclear winter like 5 times, I don't the world to press there luck again, luck like that doesn't last.

Isnt China allied with Russia?

[QUOTE=Highwind017;51742846]Isnt China allied with Russia?[/QUOTE] As much as anyone can be allied to Russia, I suppose. And when I say Russia, I mean Putin.

[QUOTE=Highwind017;51742846]Isnt China allied with Russia?[/QUOTE] Not allied, but their relation is at an "all time high". [url]https://www.rt.com/news/367880-russia-china-cooperation-stability/[/url] They've had countless of military exercises together, and you can bet that Russia is much closer to China than to USA. Interestingly enough many people seem to think the reverse. [editline]29th January 2017[/editline] And they're trying to slowly settle the issue around the South China Sea. [B]China and Vietnam to 'manage' differences over South China Sea: communique[/B] [url]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-vietnam-idUSKBN14Y0JZ[/url] [B]Philippines hopes South China Sea 'conduct code' ready this year[/B] [url]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-code-idUSKBN14V0KP?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews[/url] [B]China deepens military ties with Malaysia[/B] [url]http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-international/China-deepens-military-ties-with-Malaysia/article17020818.ece[/url]

in less than a month trump will ruin the pride i have for my country despite how extremely resilient (and perhaps a bit naive too) it is

[QUOTE=CreeplyTuna;51742634]lmao my parents voted for Trump so my brother and I don't get drafted into Hillary's "Jewilitary industrial complex" endless war machine.[/QUOTE] What pisses me off so much is that even if a war were to start, people like this will still claim it wasn't Trump's responsibility.

[quote]apparently in response to the aggressive rhetoric towards China from America's new administration.[/quote] ??? [quote]A Chinese military official has warned that war between the US and China is becoming "a practical reality" following the inauguration of President Donald Trump. On January 20, an official from the People's Liberation Army wrote on its official website that the [b]US's "rebalance" in Asia, its deployments to the region, and its push to arm South Korea with the THAAD missile defense system are provocative "hot spots getting closer to ignition,"[/b] The South China Morning Post reported Friday[/quote] [url]http://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-military-official-war-2017-1[/url]

[QUOTE=Trixil;51742883]in less than a month trump will ruin the pride i have for my country despite how extremely resilient (and perhaps a bit naive too) it is[/QUOTE] Frankly the last of any shred of American exceptionalism, I thought could've been still there, disinterested upon the start of his run.

I really dont think china is crazy enough to try a conventional war against the US (especially if us drags all of nato in with it), and russia wouldn't be stupid enough to take a side in that hypothetical war, they'd have much more to gain by sitting it out

[QUOTE=The Baconator;51742738]Where would the war be fought? What would realistically start it?[/QUOTE] Twitter. And it would be known as WSWI (World Shitposting War I)

[QUOTE=Judas;51742925]I really dont think china is crazy enough to try a conventional war against the US (especially if us drags all of nato in with it), and russia wouldn't be stupid enough to take a side in that hypothetical war, they'd have much more to gain by sitting it out[/QUOTE] This. Conventional wars, especially between major countries, suck. That's why things like cyberwarfare are the way of the future. We try to avoid fighting and killing the hell out of each other like nations used to do in the old days, because it just causes a lot of people to die, it hurts the economy, hurts morale at home and creates dissent, etc.

[QUOTE=Govna;51742945]This. Conventional wars, especially between major countries, suck. That's why things like cyberwarfare are the way of the future. We try to avoid fighting and killing the hell out of each other like nations used to do in the old days, because it just causes a lot of people to die, it hurts the economy, hurts morale at home and creates dissent, etc.[/QUOTE] China is smart enough not to be conventional, but is Trump smart enough to respond to cyber attacks with just cyber attacks and not stealth bombers over Beijing?

If this FUCKING IDIOT starts a war... I don't know what to say. I was about to type "I'll lose faith in America", but what after that? Lose faith in humanity? We've maintained a mostly-global peace for 60-70 years, unprecedented in world history, and in a matter of weeks it begins to crack and shatter. Is that a testament to America's influence or how just fragile this peace was? It certainly doesn't help that the horrors of World War 2 are too far in the past for policymakers to consider, and the near-obliteration we faced in the Cold War is starting to be lost on them. All of the peace we live in now was an effort from the survivors who agreed "never again", and those people are gone now. There is no one left to remember. The cost of global war is something everyone is disassociated from - let alone a [b]fucking billionaire draft dodger who said to a POW he was weak for getting captured.[/b]. Now we have holocaust deniers, a rising racist movement who believe a second holocaust isn't such a bad idea, and an even larger amount of people who've never seen death saying "a war would stimulate our economy". A war is one thing. A draft is another, and started a massive counterculture movement which trickled off decades later. A world war shook everything we believed, and the survivors are beginning to fade away. A nuclear proliferation under Donald Trump is something we've never seen before, and may God help us, something we're about to see.

Took the words out of my mouth.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51742970]China is smart enough not to be conventional, but is Trump smart enough to respond to cyber attacks with just cyber attacks and not stealth bombers over Beijing?[/QUOTE] True. I think the military would probably do something about him though if it came down to that. Or at least I hope they would have sense enough to.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51742970]China is smart enough not to be conventional, but is Trump smart enough to respond to cyber attacks with just cyber attacks and not stealth bombers over Beijing?[/QUOTE] the president isn't able to just do that willy-nilly

[QUOTE=Judas;51743012]the president isn't able to just do that willy-nilly[/QUOTE] "This is an act of war" and suddenly he can.