• Obama praises Australia's, UK's gun laws following mass shooting
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[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48806254] paying competitive shooters to retire.[/QUOTE] that's disgusting
[QUOTE=3noneTwo;48806274]Military firearms of 1791 still don't compare to today's firearms. 1791 was a [I]very[/I] different time. Why does USA always fall back to a 250-year-old piece of parchment for all of its decisions? The constitution doesn't scale with modern science and technology. The second amendment in its current state should be too old to be applied here.[/QUOTE] What about freedom of speach?
[QUOTE=Toyokunari;48806306]Speaking about people owning guns because they are fun, can't the government create a program where gun owners leave their gun at their gun-ranges that are government approved? Surely there is a sensible solution that caters to gun owners who use their guns for fun. That way any gun is not ban for gun owners who use them for fun.[/QUOTE] Most gun-owners also Hunt or keep their guns for self defense so probably not applicable here
[QUOTE=axelord157;48806304]Also, it's real fucked-up how one of the few gun controls laws where put into place in California because the black panthers expressed their 2nd amendment rights at a govt building. Google "Mulford Act" if you're curious.[/QUOTE] every gun control law on the books was designed to either keep guns out of black hands or to keep people from distributing alcohol
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48806186]It would be easier than trying to fix our problems. Declare State of Emergency, have swarms of police and military personnel confiscate arms from everyone on the list, threaten overwhelming force if they resist.[/QUOTE] You understand the absolute shitstorm that would ensue from that, right?
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48806186]It would be easier than trying to fix our problems. Declare State of Emergency, have swarms of police and military personnel confiscate arms from everyone on the list, threaten overwhelming force if they resist.[/QUOTE] This is one of the main reasons why we have the 2nd amendment in the first place , to prevent this
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;48806321]Most gun-owners also Hunt or keep their guns for self defense so probably not applicable here[/QUOTE] It depends on the gun though, a pistol is more then enough and likely the recommended weapon for self-defence. Also what is this hunting? Can someone explain to me because I find hunting immoral. Is there a need to hunt in america anyway?
[QUOTE=axelord157;48806284]Rich is right, a well-maintained militia means jackshit these days. It worked when all the big guns where primitive mass drivers (cannons) and small arms took like fifteen minutes to reload with each shot. How do you think a squad of 12 dudes with AR-15s against a predator drone ready to give them each a hellfire missle suppository would end?[/QUOTE] A predator can only carry two hellfires, plus using one one American Territory is against Constitutional law, meaning someone did something that deserves to have their ass kicked out of office and thrown in prison. Plus it doesn't mean jackshit.
[QUOTE=butre;48806272]mass shootings are isolated incidents[/QUOTE] I already said this but it has been shown that shootings happen in clusters of events. One often inspires others. [url]http://abcnews.go.com/Health/mass-killings-contagious-study-examines/story?id=32186907[/url]
[QUOTE=Toyokunari;48806330]It depends on the gun though, a pistol is more then enough for self-defence. Also what is this hunting? Can someone explain to me because I find hunting immoral. Is there a need to hunt in america anyway?[/QUOTE] hunting is immoral? unless you're a vegan you're either ignorant of where your meat comes from or just flat out a gigantic hypocrite. hunters take game cleanly and humanely, slaughterhouses are fucking brutal in comparison
[QUOTE=Toyokunari;48806330]It depends on the gun though, a pistol is more then enough for self-defence. Also what is this hunting? Can someone explain to me because I find hunting immoral. Is there a need to hunt in america anyway?[/QUOTE] This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say that foreigners just wouldn't understand why guns are so big in the states. Most hunting is done for food, also to keep animal populations in check. Since a fuckton of deer, bear, and other critters breed like crazy and end up becoming pests and dangerous to everyday people. What with deer running into cars, bears going in people's back yards and tearing up their garbage and shit. Not to mention a lot of wild animals kill pets. Hence why there's such a large hunting community, to keep the animal population in check and get food in the process
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;48806333]A predator can only carry two hellfires, plus using one one American Territory is against Constitutional law, meaning someone did something that deserves to have their ass kicked out of office and thrown in prison. Plus it doesn't mean jackshit.[/QUOTE] Do you think when this supposed government takeover happens they'll care about constitutional law?
[QUOTE=butre;48806360]hunting is immoral? unless you're a vegan you're either ignorant of where your meat comes from or just flat out a gigantic hypocrite. hunters take game cleanly and humanely, slaughterhouses are fucking brutal in comparison[/QUOTE] this
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;48806308]that's disgusting[/QUOTE] Yeah I'm not sure how that was supposed to reduce shootings, unless they were trying to save paper. [QUOTE=Moustacheman;48806323]You understand the absolute shitstorm that would ensue from that, right?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Native Hunter;48806327]This is one of the main reasons why we have the 2nd amendment in the first place , to prevent this[/QUOTE] Which is why "ban all guns" is not a very good answer. Unless you're willing to throw LEO's into the fire, you're never gonna get [I]all[/I] the guns.
[QUOTE=Toyokunari;48806330]Also what is this hunting? Can someone explain to me because I find hunting immoral. Is there a need to hunt in america anyway?[/QUOTE] This has got to be one of the stupidest things I have read in this thread. Basically what the following person said: [quote]hunting is immoral? unless you're a vegan you're either ignorant of where your meat comes from or just flat out a gigantic hypocrite. hunters take game cleanly and humanely, slaughterhouses are fucking brutal in comparison[/quote]
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48806369]Do you think when this supposed government takeover happens they'll care about constitutional law?[/QUOTE] Well, besides pissing off 3/4's of the military, and 100 million gun owners, and sparking the worst conflict this country has ever gone through, nope.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;48806441]there is a need to hunt, around my neighborhood we have a shitload of deer that need to be culled by local hunters every couple of years else they destroy all plantlife and die on their own in way more pain than a bullet to the heart[/QUOTE] Plus, hunting is a good way to take care of non native invasive species as well. I got yelled at by a vegan friend because evidently wild boar are native... even though they are clearly listed as a non native invasive species.
boar are violent shits too. I hunt boar with my ar15 all winter long.
Boar will fuckin tear you up if given the chance, they're classified as a pest for a reason.
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;48806303]Why does any country fall back to the foundation of their country? The basis of law in the country and entire concept of it. The Second Amendment in its current state is perfectly fine and acceptable, I don't see why every foreigner likes to tell us that we shouldn't be able to own guns or should have really tight restrictions on them. Even though gun culture here is ENTIRELY different than any where else in the world, with tens of millions of hunters and recreational shooters nation-wide.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying every gun should be banned. Tight restrictions are what's needed, but obviously that doesn't mean nobody should be able to own one. Hunting is reasonable, as is protecting livestock. The requirements to own a gun should be stricter and more thorough, but if you're going in to become a registered hunter/livestock owner, then you should already meet the requirements. Another good reason is for historical purposes, though I'd argue that guns owned for historical purposes should be decommissioned. Recreational shooting, on the other hand, doesn't seem necessary. Leave that to gun ranges. [QUOTE=Native Hunter;48806327] [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48806186]It would be easier than trying to fix our problems. Declare State of Emergency, have swarms of police and military personnel confiscate arms from everyone on the list, threaten overwhelming force if they resist.[/QUOTE] This is one of the main reasons why we have the 2nd amendment in the first place , to prevent this[/QUOTE] The problem there is that USA would have to be poisoned with madness in order for this to become a reality. It will never happen, not in today's society, and not in the future. Give that one up.
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;48806367]This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say that foreigners just wouldn't understand why guns are so big in the states. Most hunting is done for food, also to keep animal populations in check. Since a fuckton of deer, bear, and other critters breed like crazy and end up becoming pests and dangerous to everyday people. What with deer running into cars, bears going in people's back yards and tearing up their garbage and shit. Not to mention a lot of wild animals kill pets. Hence why there's such a large hunting community, to keep the animal population in check and get food in the process[/QUOTE] Not sure if you are referring to me, because that was a question and in relation to self-defence a pistol or likewise a common shotgun is enough. [QUOTE=TH3_L33T;48806407]This has got to be one of the stupidest things I have read in this thread. Basically what the following person said:[/QUOTE] For asking a question? seriously?
[QUOTE=3noneTwo;48806522]I'm not saying every gun should be banned. Tight restrictions are what's needed, but obviously that doesn't mean nobody should be able to own one. Hunting is reasonable, as is protecting livestock. The requirements to own a gun should be stricter and more thorough, but if you're going in to become a registered hunter/livestock owner, then you should already meet the requirements. Another good reason is for historical purposes, though I'd argue that guns owned for historical purposes should be decommissioned. Recreational shooting, on the other hand, doesn't seem necessary. Leave that to gun ranges. The problem there is that USA would have to be poisoned with madness in order for this to become a reality. It will never happen, not in today's society, and not in the future. Give that one up.[/QUOTE] So why don't we ban all recreational activities that cause death? No more swimming, no more driving, etc.
[QUOTE=Toyokunari;48806531]Not sure if you are referring to me, because that was a question and in relation to self-defence a pistol or likewise a common shotgun is enough. For asking a question? seriously?[/QUOTE] That was in reference to your question if Hunting is necessary in the US and towards Hunting being "Immoral"
[QUOTE=butre;48806459]boar are violent shits too. I hunt boar with my ar15 all winter long.[/QUOTE] I got a mosin nagant, magically they stopped coming up closer to the house...
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;48806566]That was in reference to your question if Hunting is necessary in the US and towards Hunting being "Immoral"[/QUOTE] Ok I get your point about Americans and hunting. But surely hunting isn't the only reason why Guns are so big in the states right.
[QUOTE=Toyokunari;48806586]Ok I get your point about Americans and hunting. But surely hunting isn't the only reason why Guns are so big in the states right.[/QUOTE] Could you further explain on the topic of big guns in the US? I mean, you can own very big guns in the UK too.
[QUOTE=Toyokunari;48806586]Ok I get your point about Americans and hunting. But surely hunting isn't the only reason why Guns are so big in the states right.[/QUOTE] Hunting, shooting, and self defense are the major reasons.
[QUOTE=Toyokunari;48806586]Ok I get your point about Americans and hunting. But surely hunting isn't the only reason why Guns are so big in the states right.[/QUOTE] No, another big part is recreational shooting. Shooting at targets at a range or on private land. Plus, there is the fact that plenty use guns for self-defense, and while a pistol is ideal for carrying with you, I would much rather have an AR-15 to defend my home than a shotgun. They're easier to maneuver, easier to control say if your wife or child needed to use it, plus they penetrate less than buckshot or regular pistol rounds do. [editline]1st October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Pilot1215;48806597]Could you further explain on the topic of big guns in the US? I mean, you can own very big guns in the UK too.[/QUOTE] I think he meant why guns are so popular here.
[QUOTE=3noneTwo;48806522]The problem there is that USA would have to be poisoned with madness in order for this to become a reality. It will never happen, not in today's society, and not in the future. Give that one up.[/QUOTE] That's a dangerous mindset when the U.S. and other countries seem to constantly remind anyone listening the exact opposite. I'm not even trying to shove conspiracy in this, but as I said earlier: The current political environment is NOT conductive to redefining the constitution, especially when messing with the 2nd amendment, which in itself is enough for impeachment nowadays.
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;48806172]All these people saying "Ban Guns" clearly have no idea what the second amendment is[/QUOTE] All these people saying "Drink Beer" clearly have no idea what the eighteenth amendment is
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