NSA after internal investigation, broke the law thousands of times PER YEAR with it's wiretapping/ma - Polidicks

[QUOTE=supersnail11;41876160]this is not a good thing[/QUOTE] So you don't want people to be suspicious if their best friend suddenly decides to buy a gun and supplies to make a bomb?

[QUOTE=Neo222;41876190]So you don't want people to be suspicious if their best friend suddenly decides to buy a gun and supplies to make a bomb?[/QUOTE] that's not what you said if i use a vpn i don't want the government to think i'm a terrorist

[QUOTE=Neo222;41876121]if you have nothing to hide, you will be safe.[/QUOTE] Everyone is guilty of something or has something to conceal. It's not about having anything to hide, it's about things not being anyone else's business. Stop valuing a false sense of security over privacy.

[QUOTE=supersnail11;41876197]that's not what you said if i use a vpn i don't want the government to think i'm a terrorist[/QUOTE] They have no reason to think that your a terrorist if you use a vpn. This again falls under good behavior. They could care less if you use a VPN, especially since many uses it to secure their own information from bigger threats such as black-hat hackers and cyberterrorism. Its just that they are looking more for things that would raise a red flag, such as emails that contain death threats, plots, etc. I actually took courses related to this sort of stuff when I was in College, as in Internet Security: Cyberpsychology, Cyber Security, Cyber Crime, and Ethical Hacking. Cyberpsychology actually did focus on the issue of privacy, which one of the books stated that the Internet should have its own laws separate from the governments. The only issue is the way people react, hence the reason the course is called 'Cyberpsychology'. Because when it comes to the NSA, they don't care about what you look up, how your network is connected, or who your friends with; they care more about how you act. Hence the reason they check emails and so forth in order to determine who is a threat and who isn't.

If what the NSA is doing is supposed to circumvent criminal activity, then how come [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/04/us/violent-crime-in-us-rises-for-first-time-since-2006.html]crime[/url] [url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/10/17/victims-report-violent-crime/1638895/]has been[/url] [url=http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/18/violent-crime-jumps-18-percent-in-2011-first-rise-in-nearly-20-years/]rising in the US?[/url] Or is the fact that they tell you they're 'stopping terrorist plots worse than 9/11 everyday but they cant tell you anything about it tho :)' supposed to be sufficient justification?

[QUOTE=supersnail11;41876197]that's not what you said if i use a vpn i don't want the government to think i'm a terrorist[/QUOTE] Do you honestly think the government will try to prosecute for terrorism or whatever because you use a VPN? I can definitely understand being weary of this program, but because you use a VPN? Come on :v:

[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;41874639]They aren't setting a very good example for other countries :v: Breaking their own laws, an' all... :v:[/QUOTE] yeah :v: that's true :v: they are definitely [I][B]not[/B][/I] (:v:) setting a good example for other countries :v:

[QUOTE=Melnek;41876428]If what the NSA is doing is supposed to circumvent criminal activity, then how come [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/04/us/violent-crime-in-us-rises-for-first-time-since-2006.html]crime[/url] [url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/10/17/victims-report-violent-crime/1638895/]has been[/url] [url=http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/18/violent-crime-jumps-18-percent-in-2011-first-rise-in-nearly-20-years/]rising in the US?[/url] Or is the fact that they tell you they're 'stopping terrorist plots worse than 9/11 everyday but they cant tell you anything about it tho :)' supposed to be sufficient justification?[/QUOTE] For one, crime rise doesn't go by what the NSA does, there are many other reasons. Low economic growth, social inequality (something the US can't do due to corruption and the higher class....), and an ineffective justice system. And as said before, they are not monitoring everything 24/7 with a team of 10,000 highly trained employees, there is a limit to what you can do in terms of monitoring. And most times, these crimes just happen spontaneously, with no information sent online at all. The second question's answer is because honestly, if you did tell people the full details of a terrorist plot that was worse than 9/11, we'd get the public in panic or fear. And then someone will do something stupid, or start another 'War on Terror'. I don't know the full reason why, but I am sure they got good reasons to not tell anyone about what sort of plot was stopped.

[QUOTE=Neo222;41876499] The second question's answer is because honestly, if you did tell people the full details of a terrorist plot that was worse than 9/11, we'd get the public in panic or fear. And then someone will do something stupid, or start another 'War on Terror'. I don't know the full reason why, but I am sure they got good reasons to not tell anyone about what sort of plot was stopped.[/QUOTE] What? Someone will start another war on terror because of the details. Not because they've already out right stated terrorists have planned attacks worse than 9/11, but it's the details that will encite panic? That's without a doubt one of the silliest claims I've ever heard. People know there were plans, they're foiled so they don't sweat it, then they find out about how many kg. of explosives the terrorists were going to use and so that's why they start a citizens-army and strike at the country that those responsible were from?

[QUOTE=Neo222;41876499] The second question's answer is because honestly, if you did tell people the full details of a terrorist plot that was worse than 9/11, we'd get the public in panic or fear. And then someone will do something stupid, or start another 'War on Terror'. I don't know the full reason why, but I am sure they got good reasons to not tell anyone about what sort of plot was stopped.[/QUOTE] So instead, they choose to merely say that they're stopping these world-ending terrorist plots? Face it, it just sounds stupid. They could have just not said anything at all in the first place but as soon as the NSA leak happened, they conveniently decided to tell this to the media. This isn't even conspiracy theorist nonsense. This is damage control 101.

[QUOTE=HawkeyeTy;41876557]What? "Someone will start another war on terror?" Because of the details. Not because they've already out right stated terrorists have planned attacks worse than 9/11, but it's the details that will encite panic? That's without a doubt one of the silliest claims I've ever heard. We know there were plans, we don't sweat it, we find out about how many kg. of explosives they were going to use and so that's why we start a citizens-army and strike at the country that those responsible were from?[/QUOTE] Hey, it wasn't a accurate example. I even stated I don't know the reason why, since even I myself was iffy on the examples I mentioned. It's far fetched, yes, and now that I think of it, is a stupid example. Though I guess we'll never know the real reason.

[QUOTE=Neo222;41876345]They have no reason to think that your a terrorist if you use a vpn. This again falls under good behavior. They could care less if you use a VPN, especially since many uses it to secure their own information from bigger threats such as black-hat hackers and cyberterrorism. Its just that they are looking more for things that would raise a red flag, such as emails that contain death threats, plots, etc. ...[/QUOTE] You do know they especially single out encrypted traffic right? Like it's a big red flag for them? It's nice that you've got this idea in your head that they only ever intercept bad traffic, but the fact is they can't know the nature of the traffic until after they intercept it, and if it's encrypted then they keep it longer.

[QUOTE=SinjinOmega;41875397]DO. NOT. HAVE. THAT. ATTITUDE. Seriously. That is the worst thing you could possibly have, I don't care how many little shits go "Pfft Conspiracy Theorist" when you are perfectly in the right to complain about the NSA breaking the law. Now fucking go out there. Spread the word. Protest. Whatever is possible while still being legal.[/QUOTE] And, still, nothing will happen.

Not to put a blanket on a fresh discussion, but... [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1299490]Wasn't this posted a couple of days ago?[/url]

[QUOTE=lavacano;41875043]at least i have an excuse to learn parkour now[/QUOTE] Break a leg.

"Punish us and become a traitor" - the NSA

The general in charge of this whole affair was nicknamed for being so efficient at getting funding. I can't remember what it was, it may of been Emperor. Fact of the matter is Germany protested more than us because Travyon conveniently clogged up the media to the point of forgetting all about the NSA, something of very steep contrast with scandals like Watergate. The NSA's funding is nearly infinite, and as long as the terrorism scapegoat is used as tactically as it has without major opposition... Well, safe to say things like this will go on whether we like it or not.