Trump's polling goes off a cliff, Clinton opens up huge double-digit lead in post-tapes NBC/WSJ poll - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Deepee;51188196]I have to say, after watching this election from the beginning and hating Trumps guts, after watching these debates and seeing Hillary grin through the guilt of all her corruption and wrong doing, I have to say I'm now for Trump, and I still fucking hate him. As much as I disagree with alot of Trumps politics, I'm not getting rolled up by the news bias, I would say he won the debate by actually answering questions honestly (if not ridiculously). America will continue as normal if Hillary wins, which isn't a good thing.[/QUOTE] Jesus fucking christ. Continue like normal, with chance of being really good (Hillary is more liberal than Obama). A one-way trip into a trainwreck due to Trump's utter lack of experience in diplomacy and his Godawful policies. Which one would you rather have? "I would say he won the debate by actually answering questions honestly (if not ridiculously)." Did we watch the same fucking debate? Trump deflected often enough to be considered a damn mirror at this point, and you think he "answered honestly"? Try to not embarrass Estonia, m7

[QUOTE=Deepee;51188196] America will continue as normal if Hillary wins, which isn't a good thing.[/QUOTE] Trump voters should never play Blackjack.

[QUOTE=Deepee;51188196]I have to say, after watching this election from the beginning and hating Trumps guts, after watching these debates and seeing Hillary grin through the guilt of all her corruption and wrong doing, I have to say I'm now for Trump, and I still fucking hate him. As much as I disagree with alot of Trumps politics, I'm not getting rolled up by the news bias, I would say he won the debate by actually answering questions honestly (if not ridiculously). America will continue as normal if Hillary wins, which isn't a good thing.[/QUOTE] That's the single most brainless conclusion I've ever seen a human being reach. And this is including in my estimation a close friend of mine who was raised in Pakistan and until recently didn't know that the Earth orbited the sun or even that space existed, because that particular bit of knowledge was inconvenient to his country's Islamic education system. What you just said blows that clean out of the water. I don't think you're that stupid. You're lying. There are other reasons you support Trump, ones you don't want to talk about because you're afraid of being judged.

[QUOTE=Deepee;51188196]I have to say, after watching this election from the beginning and hating Trumps guts, after watching these debates and seeing Hillary grin through the guilt of all her corruption and wrong doing, I have to say I'm now for Trump, and I still fucking hate him. As much as I disagree with alot of Trumps politics, I'm not getting rolled up by the news bias, I would say he won the debate by actually answering questions honestly (if not ridiculously). America will continue as normal if Hillary wins, which isn't a good thing.[/QUOTE] but he didnt answer questions he went off on a tangent about how shit hillary is and what an abuser bill is. literally no sensical, on topic answers were given. sure, hillary answered in the typical politician way, but she was actually coherent and on topic. i mean, if youve been against trump this whole time and are only now supporting him because of his last debate, then i just dont even know what else to say.

[QUOTE=archangel125;51188283]That's the single most brainless conclusion I've ever seen a human being reach. And this is including in my estimation a close friend of mine who was raised in Pakistan and until recently didn't know that the Earth orbited the sun or even that space existed, because that particular bit of knowledge was inconvenient to his country's Islamic education system. What you just said blows that clean out of the water. I don't think you're that stupid. You're lying. There are other reasons you support Trump, ones you don't want to talk about because you're afraid of being judged.[/QUOTE] Honestly I've seen so many europeans get behind Trump for essentially no reason other than their hatred for the mainstream media and Hillary that I no longer find the outcome of Brexit surprising.

[QUOTE=Deepee;51188196]I have to say, after watching this election from the beginning and hating Trumps guts, after watching these debates and seeing Hillary grin through the guilt of all her corruption and wrong doing, I have to say I'm now for Trump, and I still fucking hate him. As much as I disagree with alot of Trumps politics, I'm not getting rolled up by the news bias, [B]I would say he won the debate by actually answering questions honestly (if not ridiculously). [/B] America will continue as normal if Hillary wins, which isn't a good thing.[/QUOTE] What a line of horseshit. He answered the questions exactly as he always answers them; beginning with a bold faced lie about a problem America has then promising to make us great again with literally no details.

[QUOTE=greasemunky;51187741]Huh, didn't know that fighting for your country involved molesting women.[/QUOTE] He [I]did[/I] say "the way [I]I[/I] want to"... But as far as Trump's polls falling off a cliff, that can't be possible! Breitbart says he won with 93%!* *Trump posted a bunch of polls that declared him the winner of the debate. Considering Breitbart is on there should tell you something, but personally I figure all the numbers are bullshit because there's no way in hell that 7% of the voters from Breitbart would admit to Hillary winning. [editline]11th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=archangel125;51188283]That's the single most brainless conclusion I've ever seen a human being reach. And this is including in my estimation a close friend of mine who was raised in Pakistan and until recently didn't know that the Earth orbited the sun or even that space existed, because that particular bit of knowledge was inconvenient to his country's Islamic education system. What you just said blows that clean out of the water. I don't think you're that stupid. You're lying. There are other reasons you support Trump, ones you don't want to talk about because you're afraid of being judged.[/QUOTE] But is it as stupid as "I don't understand Darwinism and how we all supposedly evolved from a man named Darwin"?

[b]Post-debate poll[/b] Trump appears to have clawed back some GOP support, but is still 9 points behind Clinton and 10 in the two-way matchup [url]http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/post-debate-poll-shows-clinton-holding-9-point-lead-over-n664541[/url]

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;51188799] But is it as stupid as "I don't understand Darwinism and how we all supposedly evolved from a man named Darwin"?[/QUOTE] In light of all the information that has come out about Trump lately? It's even worse.

[QUOTE=smurfy;51188856][b]Post-debate poll[/b] Trump appears to have clawed back some GOP support, but is still 9 points behind Clinton and 10 in the two-way matchup [url]http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/post-debate-poll-shows-clinton-holding-9-point-lead-over-n664541[/url][/QUOTE] apparently they released the first poll incomplete, this is the first poll completed, and treating it as a second poll itself. Sounds fucking Stupid.

[QUOTE=Deepee;51188196]I have to say, after watching this election from the beginning and hating Trumps guts, after watching these debates and seeing Hillary grin through the guilt of all her corruption and wrong doing, I have to say I'm now for Trump, and I still fucking hate him. As much as I disagree with alot of Trumps politics, I'm not getting rolled up by the news bias, I would say he won the debate by actually answering questions honestly (if not ridiculously). America will continue as normal if Hillary wins, which isn't a good thing.[/QUOTE] This is perhaps the strangest time you could have chosen to decide that you [I]are[/I] going to vote for Trump. His campaign is absolutely hemorrhaging, and it's his own words and actions that have finally caused that to happen. Liberal media bias is not what caused Trump to say or do the things he's been under constant fire for -- he did those of his own will. At worst, you could say that it's Liberal media bias that has [I]put the spotlight on those things,[/I] but, uh... They kind of needed to have a spotlight on them, don't you think?

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;51188952]apparently they released the first poll incomplete, this is the first poll completed, and treating it as a second poll itself. Sounds fucking Stupid.[/QUOTE] That is kinda weird, I guess we will wait for some more polls (as always)

538 updated today: [url]http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/[/url] I don't know how to add their charts so I'm just posting the link

[QUOTE=Deepee;51188196]I have to say, after watching this election from the beginning and hating Trumps guts, after watching these debates and seeing Hillary grin through the guilt of all her corruption and wrong doing, I have to say I'm now for Trump, and I still fucking hate him. As much as I disagree with alot of Trumps politics, I'm not getting rolled up by the news bias, I would say he won the debate by actually answering questions honestly (if not ridiculously). [b]America will continue as normal if Hillary wins, which isn't a good thing. [/b][/QUOTE] Gradual liberal reforms and a recovering economy? Lmao.

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;51189126]Gradual liberal reforms and a recovering economy? Lmao.[/QUOTE] Open borders post-national state driven by a corrupt elite and defined by a dying middle class, increasing inequality, conflict with parts of the world, and a generation coming of age while probably not marrying, working full time, or buying a house Literally just came from a class about inequality in America and we did a little survey on optimism for the future. 0 positive vote out of 31

[QUOTE=Potus;51189120]538 updated today: [url]http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/[/url] I don't know how to add their charts so I'm just posting the link[/QUOTE] At this point in the election, they update several times a day, every day. This is their fourth update [I]today[/I]. The polls that have been coming in are pretty bad for Trump, though. They're neck-and-neck in fucking [I]Arizona[/I], which hardly anyone considered a swing state in the last few elections.

They update it when a new poll comes out

[QUOTE=Conscript;51189156]Open borders post-national state driven by a corrupt elite and defined by a dying middle class, increasing inequality, conflict with parts of the world, and a generation coming of age while probably not marrying, working full time, or buying a house[/QUOTE] "Open borders" is a huge exaggeration. In 2008 she was calling for "technology and personnel" rather than a massive border fence/wall. She's called for a crackdown on companies that exploit undocumented immigrants, because it is a force that drives down wages - if companies can pay undocumented immigrants under the table for less than American citizens without being easily discovered or penalized (due to lack of documentation), wages are driven down in competition. Throughout 2008 she called for increased border patrols (but never a wall) - she's arguably better than Obama when it comes to border security. "Post-national" is a joke, too - I understand you hate globalism, but if you somehow think that Hillary being elected will lead to the destruction of national identity, I don't know what to say. It isn't "post-national," it's [i]international[/i]. There are very, very nationalistic countries that have [i]no choice[/i] but to engage in the global economic market, and they all still exist as sovereign states. We're already far past stopping globalization, and I don't know why you'd want to - for an example of a state that refuses to participate in international trade, look to North Korea. International cooperation and incorporation isn't "post-nationalism," it's international - between nations, not the absence of them. Corruption, dying middle class, inequality, absolutely - we need significant changes there. Decreasing taxes for the wealthiest Americans and slashing social safety nets and moving back to mercantilism isn't how you fix that. At all. Trump's plans are lunacy, and the fact that you think voting Trump will help avoid conflict with parts of the world is [i]incredible[/i].

[QUOTE=Conscript;51189156]Open borders post-national state [B]driven by a corrupt elite and defined by a dying middle class, increasing inequality, conflict with parts of the world, and a generation coming of age while probably not marrying, working full time, or buying a house[/B] Literally just came from a class about inequality in America and we did a little survey on optimism for the future. 0 positive vote out of 31[/QUOTE] Please explain how Trump will make these things better.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51189478]Please explain how Trump will make these things better.[/QUOTE] "I will fix it. Trust me. It'll be great. I got a plan. Its great. Right now its a disaster, but I have plan to fix it"

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51189478]Please explain how Trump will make these things better.[/QUOTE] He'll make the best deals. The deals they got right now, awful. He got the best people, they'll make the deals for him. The best deals. It'll be terrific.

You know, I've really tried giving Trump supporters a chance to prove that their pick is an intelligent one, a good choice for really any reason. The closest thing I've seen for a legitimate reason to support Trump is one given by JoeSkyLynx, who said that he wanted to vote Republican to avoid Hillary stomping all over his second amendment rights. Personally I think that he severely overestimates the power of the federal government to take away people's guns, but that's besides the point. Not a single other Trump supporter I've spoken to has given me a single point of the man's platform or policy that will lead to any objective benefit for Americans beyond a tax cut for the middle class (That, by the way, will end up crippling many of the social services the working and middle class depend on) and not one has had an answer for me when I link the opinions of economists that predict his economic policies will lead to another great recession and global economic crisis. His solution to businesses being outsourced? To strip workers of their protections and rights, and strip corporations of their regulation. A real hero of the common man. It's hard not to see this election not as a mere difference in opinion or politics among Americans, but as a fight between progress and regression and destruction. Whatever your complaints against Hillary (And even I have many, many of those), her policies offer stability for America, and relief for struggling Americans.

[QUOTE=Paramud;51187906]I'm really hoping the campaign is going to turn into this. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSFZktZNySg[/media][/QUOTE] yet mr. garrison is actually a more reasonable candidate than trump somehow...

Guys make sure you go out and vote on November 28th [media]https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/786017457588801536[/media]

that's a big oops.

[QUOTE=ZachPL;51190606]Guys make sure you go out and vote on November 28th [media]https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/786017457588801536[/media][/QUOTE]yes, trump supporters, please do go out and vote on the 28th lmao not a second sooner

[QUOTE=Deepee;51188196]America will continue as normal if Hillary wins, which isn't a good thing.[/QUOTE] [media]https://twitter.com/jonnysun/status/785304621937991680[/media]

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;51191309]He doesn't overestimate the power of the federal government in taking away second amendment rights. That's my concern with Hillary too. She's going to put up liberal Supreme Court Justices who are going to interpret the constitution through their own rose tinted glasses. Soon we'll have the right to own firearms but all "high capacity" magazines will be federally illegal.[/QUOTE] You just change the magazines a bit more often at the range... I dont see the issue if this is the big fear... Im more in it for the voting for and getting into office of a blatant corrupt plutocrat, rather have a sexist jock buffoon that will not surmount to anything.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51189732]"I will fix it. Trust me. It'll be great. I got a plan. Its great. Right now its a disaster, but I have plan to fix it"[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Riller;51189760]He'll make the best deals. The deals they got right now, awful. He got the best people, they'll make the deals for him. The best deals. It'll be terrific.[/QUOTE] Nah you guys got it all wrong he's the wildcard outsider who will SHAKE THINGS UP, Hillary is a corrupt non-pussy grabbing politician and Trump says fucking horrible things every time he opens his mouth and has no experience and no policies but he's a businessman and he'll actually magically be great somehow, seriously guys.

Change for the sake of it isn't inherently better than the status quo, especially if it poses a worse outcome.