• Android Jellybean finally on more devices than Gingerbread.
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currently running 2.3.5 on my samsung fascinate wish i could afford an S3 or even an S2
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41379667]hahahaha sorry but no it doesn't solid 60FPS is good, but it isn't a requirement for a 'properly functioning' OS [editline]9th July 2013[/editline] you're fucking deluded if you think that[/QUOTE] i imagine being up to par with other mobile operating systems is pretty important [editline]10th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;41380733]I have a Galaxy S with 512 MB of RAM. The only issues I really have are from trying to load giant pages on Firefox.[/QUOTE] and that's what i'm talking about, not "fine", but completely properly without slowdowns
[QUOTE=Ezhik;41375271]android needs at least 2 gb of ram to function properly[/QUOTE] my samsung captivate is running cm10.1 just fine thank you. [editline]9th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Ezhik;41384754]and that's what i'm talking about, not "fine", but completely properly without slowdowns[/QUOTE] it's a three year old phone of course it isn't 100% 60FPS 24/7. you'd see the same sort of hiccups on a similarly aged iPhone running the newest iOS.
uhh GUYS, donut is clearly the better OS here
[QUOTE=Kaabii;41373162]Yup, too much RAM going into HW acceleration, even 1GB on a device can be an issue. But it's the only way Android gets close to other mobile operating systems with regards to fluidity. Doesn't say much for Google's long term planning when they made the 512MB Nexus S though.[/QUOTE] Didn't google already say that the OS after Jelly Bean is going to be focusing on resource usage moreso than new features? I hope it's true
[QUOTE=Zeke129;41385049]Didn't google already say that the OS after Jelly Bean is going to be focusing on resource usage moreso than new features? I hope it's true[/QUOTE] Just a rumor, and a very unsubstantiated one at that. Google did all their performance work by just requiring tons of ram so Android isn't as far behind iOS and WP8 as it used to be. If they had some sort of plan to get Android running well on similar hardware that other operating systems run well on, they wouldn't have decided to have such a huge HW requirement jump going from ICS to JB. Most good Android devices run well enough though, and you can get really good hardware in a relatively cheap device like the Nexus 4 so I don't think google even needs to do that. If you buy a Nexus device you get pretty good performance and you're always in the newest slice of that chart up there so that'll always be my recommendation. [editline]10th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Joeyl10;41384848]my samsung captivate is running cm10.1 just fine thank you. [editline]9th July 2013[/editline] it's a three year old phone of course it isn't 100% 60FPS 24/7. you'd see the same sort of hiccups on a similarly aged iPhone running the newest iOS.[/QUOTE] Any iOS device from 2011 and beyond is consistently fluid in its performance. Same with WP7 although those devices didn't really get any updates so that's not fair to compare. But yeah actually iOS devices going back around two and a half years still run as well now as they did back then. The OS is built to run on the common denominator of two cortex-A9 cores, 512MB RAM, and a lot of work done by the very powerful GPUs.
My Desire HD was rooted and put on 4.2.2. My current phone is on iOS 7 (would have gotten another Android device but in Q1 AT&T had shit for phones)
As a dev, THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME NEWS.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;41386231]Just a rumor, and a very unsubstantiated one at that. Google did all their performance work by just requiring tons of ram so Android isn't as far behind iOS and WP8 as it used to be. If they had some sort of plan to get Android running well on similar hardware that other operating systems run well on, they wouldn't have decided to have such a huge HW requirement jump going from ICS to JB. Most good Android devices run well enough though, and you can get really good hardware in a relatively cheap device like the Nexus 4 so I don't think google even needs to do that. If you buy a Nexus device you get pretty good performance and you're always in the newest slice of that chart up there so that'll always be my recommendation. [editline]10th July 2013[/editline] Any iOS device from 2011 and beyond is consistently fluid in its performance. Same with WP7 although those devices didn't really get any updates so that's not fair to compare. But yeah actually iOS devices going back around two and a half years still run as well now as they did back then. The OS is built to run on the common denominator of two cortex-A9 cores, 512MB RAM, and a lot of work done by the very powerful GPUs.[/QUOTE] my ipod touch 4g would love to disagree with you [editline]9th July 2013[/editline] oh well yeah okay any device from 2011 and beyond. android 4.1+ runs pretty much on par with that I find though.
[QUOTE=Joeyl10;41387007]my ipod touch 4g would love to disagree with you [editline]9th July 2013[/editline] oh well yeah okay any device from 2011 and beyond. android 4.1+ runs pretty much on par with that I find though.[/QUOTE] Not really. Unless you're running a Snapdragon S4 pro on Android you're going to be significantly behind iOS running on an A5 chip or WP8 running on a Snapdragon S4, and while the newest Android phones run very very well, they do not keep as smooth as other OS's which is the tradeoff for the versatility it has and the apparent lack of foresight existing between SoC makers and phone makers. The big devices from 2011 like the Galaxy Nexus and Galaxy S2 have lots of slowdowns and stutters on Android 4.1. I know because I own them. The Gnex is the biggest offender with the SGX540 sucking at 1280x720. The phones I've had the best experience on have been the Galaxy S3 and the HTC One, and at times I'm still disappointed although the latter is still a phone I'd recommend to everyone.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;41387460]Not really. Unless you're running a Snapdragon S4 pro on Android you're going to be significantly behind iOS running on an A5 chip or WP8 running on a Snapdragon S4, and while the newest Android phones run very very well, they do not keep as smooth as other OS's which is the tradeoff for the versatility it has and the apparent lack of foresight existing between SoC makers and phone makers. The big devices from 2011 like the Galaxy Nexus and Galaxy S2 have lots of slowdowns and stutters on Android 4.1. I know because I own them. The Gnex is the biggest offender with the SGX540 sucking at 1280x720. The phones I've had the best experience on have been the Galaxy S3 and the HTC One, and at times I'm still disappointed although the latter is still a phone I'd recommend to everyone.[/QUOTE] You know, you say this in basically every thread like it's fact but owning a device doesn't mean you're necessarily right. I mean if I traded phones with my brother and said the iPhone 4S runs at 2FPS you realize I'd still be wrong even though I own it, right?
[QUOTE=Elspin;41388028]You know, you say this in basically every thread like it's fact but owning a device doesn't mean you're necessarily right. I mean if I traded phones with my brother and said the iPhone 4S runs at 2FPS you realize I'd still be wrong even though I own it, right?[/QUOTE] Except in the past talking to you specifically I've pointed out specific areas that have issues, that's beyond a typical anecdote so your argument doesn't really discredit me at all. The claim of ownership just demonstrates I can say something that has an issue if requested, it's what comes before putting up proof should a claim be challenged. Also you can't see slowdown that isn't there, so that comparison and subsequent argument doesn't quite work. And considering I ended saying I still recommend the HTC One to everyone I obviously don't treat Android like some 2fps trash OS.
[QUOTE=Doozle;41375505]I broke my old Nokia N95 8GB last year after taking many years of battering while always working well. I bought a cheap Sony Xperia with Ice Cream Sandwhich. Possibly the most wank phone I've ever had, it's so slow and struggles even with the phones own software. And the touch screen is awful. Can't Beleive they sold this thing in its state. Thought we was at a point where you could get a pretty good phone now that works well. But the market is flooded with android phones that seems to me to have been rushed out, and its kind of put me off getting another when I might get a duff one again. Don't want to be that guy but with an iPhone (for all it's limitations) you know what you're getting and know it's going to work. [editline]9th July 2013[/editline] Only plus side of a crap phone is that because I only use my phone for calls, texts and the occasional face booking its battery lasts for about 4 days[/QUOTE] Cheapo android phones are literally complete shit, they might as well be dumb phones with slightly more features to them (which is why a lot of them still run Gingerbread, because it runs better on such older hardware) This is why I like windows phone because a low end windows phone from an OS and functionality standpoint gives you the exact same OS experience as a high end one. The high end one will just likely have more snazzy features, bigger/nicer screen, be able to multitask more apps, and run certain memory intensive apps (like 3rd party browsers, games, etc) with more efficiency.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;41388438]Except in the past talking to you specifically I've pointed out specific areas that have issues, that's beyond a typical anecdote so your argument doesn't really discredit me at all. The claim of ownership just demonstrates I can say something that has an issue if requested, it's what comes before putting up proof should a claim be challenged. Also you can't see slowdown that isn't there, so that comparison and subsequent argument doesn't quite work. And considering I ended saying I still recommend the HTC One to everyone I obviously don't treat Android like some 2fps trash OS.[/QUOTE] It [i]does[/i] discredit you because you've literally never posted anything factual just your own personal experiences which don't necessarily have any validity.
[QUOTE=Elspin;41388898]It [i]does[/i] discredit you because you've literally never posted anything factual just your own personal experiences which don't necessarily have any validity.[/QUOTE] So posting something anyone can reproduce is discrediting? That's interesting because that's one of the key qualities something requires to be considered valid evidence. If anyone can grab X device, and do some sort of action with it and visibly see a dropped frame due to the interface slowing down, that's a completely reproducible scenario that doesn't require any in depth testing to be considered valid. I'm sorry, I fail to see how it works to discredit an argument. A comparison could be made to me posting an image created with a 16K color palette. You don't need to use a colormeter and analyze the different sections of the picture to show the image suffers from gradation, it's clearly apparent to anyone who views it. Also I like how you blanket every post I've made and say I've never posted anything factual. I await your report with a compilation of every single post I've ever made here to prove that claim, because that is mostly certainly something outrageous requiring in depth analysis. If you take a look at my track record in HW&SW you'll see I'm very in depth with what I post. If I really wanted to, I could use an FPS meter app on Android and take logs of how fast stuff is running. Because many of the issues are readily apparent as they visibly [I]stutter[/I] rather than just a slowdown, it can be confirmed that it must be a drop below 30fps as you lose the illusion of motion with a series of images, and so testing isn't really required to confirm it's not staying at 60.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;41386231]Just a rumor, and a very unsubstantiated one at that. Google did all their performance work by just requiring tons of ram so Android isn't as far behind iOS and WP8 as it used to be. If they had some sort of plan to get Android running well on similar hardware that other operating systems run well on, they wouldn't have decided to have such a huge HW requirement jump going from ICS to JB. Most good Android devices run well enough though, and you can get really good hardware in a relatively cheap device like the Nexus 4 so I don't think google even needs to do that. If you buy a Nexus device you get pretty good performance and you're always in the newest slice of that chart up there so that'll always be my recommendation. [editline]10th July 2013[/editline] Any iOS device from 2011 and beyond is consistently fluid in its performance. Same with WP7 although those devices didn't really get any updates so that's not fair to compare. But yeah actually iOS devices going back around [B]two and a half years[/B] still run as well now as they did back then. The OS is built to run on the common denominator of two cortex-A9 cores, 512MB RAM, and a lot of work done by the very powerful GPUs.[/QUOTE] no they don't. my iphone 4 runs like a pig.
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;41389449]no they don't. my iphone 4 runs like a pig.[/QUOTE] Your iPhone 4 is June 2010, that's over three years old. I never deny the performance issues with devices on the A4, it's not up to par at all. But this is the second time someone here has mentioned a 2010 device as falling under that timeframe, I don't get it. I'd never argue they run well, which is why I excluded them because everyone knows they run very bleh.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;41389461]Your iPhone 4 is June 2010, that's over three years old. I never deny the performance issues with devices on the A4, it's not up to par at all. But this is the second time someone here has mentioned a 2010 device as falling under that timeframe, I don't get it. I'd never argue they run well, which is why I excluded them because everyone knows they run very bleh.[/QUOTE]then why has apple not end of lifed it yet?
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;41389496]then why has apple not end of lifed it yet?[/QUOTE] Well they will as of iOS 7, since the lineup will be knocked to the 4S as the cheapest device which is good since that hardware set is the common denominator. Personally if you're implying they should have earlier, I completely agree. It's because they still sell it though, and they ship updates to any device they still sell. They should offer some sort of downgrade path for iPhone 4 owners that would rather just use iOS 5 or something and keep the performance from it. Not very fair that you bought a phone that ran really well and it degraded with every update but you aren't able to go back.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;41389433]So posting something anyone can reproduce is discrediting? That's interesting because that's one of the key qualities something requires to be considered valid evidence. If anyone can grab X device, and do some sort of action with it and visibly see a dropped frame due to the interface slowing down, that's a completely reproducible scenario that doesn't require any in depth testing to be considered valid. I'm sorry, I fail to see how it works to discredit an argument. A comparison could be made to me posting an image created with a 16K color palette. You don't need to use a colormeter and analyze the different sections of the picture to show the image suffers from gradation, it's clearly apparent to anyone who views it. Also I like how you blanket every post I've made and say I've never posted anything factual. I await your report with a compilation of every single post I've ever made here to prove that claim, because that is mostly certainly something outrageous requiring in depth analysis. If you take a look at my track record in HW&SW you'll see I'm very in depth with what I post. If I really wanted to, I could use an FPS meter app on Android and take logs of how fast stuff is running. Because many of the issues are readily apparent as they visibly [I]stutter[/I] rather than just a slowdown, it can be confirmed that it must be a drop below 30fps as you lose the illusion of motion with a series of images, and so testing isn't really required to confirm it's not staying at 60.[/QUOTE] Dunno what you're doing with your nexus 4 but mine only stutters when I first turn it on and everything's still loading.
When you buy a $100 Dell, you don't compare it to a $1900 Macintosh. When you buy a $1500 car off of Craigslist, you don't compare it to the latest high-end Mercedes Benz When you buy a $150,000 house, you don't compare it to a mansion in Beverly Hills Why would you compare the latest iPhone to that Android phone you got for free? Why would you sign a 2 year long contract and spend upwards to $60-$100 a month on celluar service while using a crap phone? It doesn't make sense. [editline]10th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Kaabii;41389433]So posting something anyone can reproduce is discrediting? That's interesting because that's one of the key qualities something requires to be considered valid evidence. If anyone can grab X device, and do some sort of action with it and visibly see a dropped frame due to the interface slowing down, that's a completely reproducible scenario that doesn't require any in depth testing to be considered valid. I'm sorry, I fail to see how it works to discredit an argument. A comparison could be made to me posting an image created with a 16K color palette. You don't need to use a colormeter and analyze the different sections of the picture to show the image suffers from gradation, it's clearly apparent to anyone who views it. Also I like how you blanket every post I've made and say I've never posted anything factual. I await your report with a compilation of every single post I've ever made here to prove that claim, because that is mostly certainly something outrageous requiring in depth analysis. If you take a look at my track record in HW&SW you'll see I'm very in depth with what I post. If I really wanted to, I could use an FPS meter app on Android and take logs of how fast stuff is running. Because many of the issues are readily apparent as they visibly [I]stutter[/I] rather than just a slowdown, it can be confirmed that it must be a drop below 30fps as you lose the illusion of motion with a series of images, and so testing isn't really required to confirm it's not staying at 60.[/QUOTE] My Nexus 4 runs great. I guess upon reboot it could run a bit faster but that's only for about 15 seconds then I'm fine. Does the iPhone run better? I would certainly hope so since they have 12 months (probably more) to make their proprietary software run on their proprietary hardware.
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