Google Self-Driving Car Involved in First Injury Accident
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[QUOTE=itisjuly;48229266]It's from 50 to 80, that's not really a lot.[/QUOTE]
An increase in speed from 50 to 80 km/h results in the kinetic energy of the car increasing 2.5 times.
It's a lot.
Title should be "stupid human driver involved in five millionth injury accident"
[QUOTE=cartman300;48229333]That's a lot.
Edit:
Try driving trough a somewhat-sharp turn with 50 and with 80.[/QUOTE]
You don't speed on sharp turns. On a straight road 80 isn't a lot. If you think it is, then yes, you're a grandma driver.
Haha 50 kmh speed limits wtf
At first I thought that it was 50 mph and I though "hmm that's reasonable"
[QUOTE=BFG9000;48229556]Haha 50 kmh speed limits wtf
At first I thought that it was 50 mph and I though "hmm that's reasonable"[/QUOTE]
In a city...
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48229176]The whole point of these cars is that they work together and you don't jailbreak or mess with their software in any way not permitted to the user.
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Which is exactly why nobody below the age of 50 will use them.
Who seriously wants to drive at 50km/h all the time?
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;48229603]Which is exactly why nobody below the age of 50 will use them.
Who seriously wants to drive at 50km/h all the time?[/QUOTE]
Automatic cars are only being tested and have been a thing for like 2 years. And you already can claim that a large portion of people won't use them? Sounds like bull to me. It's not like these cars will be limited to 50km/h. It's like saying nobody will use the computer because 1st one doesn't have enough memory for anything.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;48229603]Which is exactly why nobody below the age of 50 will use them.
Who seriously wants to drive at 50km/h all the time?[/QUOTE]
Anyone with any concept of basic rational thought who considers the concept for more than a blink and a hand wave. Because a basic risk-benefit analysis lets me know that it's a stupid fucking idea to risk injury at a 2.5x factor in order to shave a few measly minutes at best off my daily commute.
Automatic, electric cars are the future. How soon is yet to be seen but in time manually operated gas cars will be collection material. So yeah, you better deal with that safety it gives you.
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;48228539]you can still be at fault for causing the accident if you were rear ended. Not in this case, but you can[/QUOTE]
From a Legal stance, a least in Canada, the one who does the rear ending is always the at fault party.
At fault does not automatically resolve the tort though. Wrong doing and at fault status are two separate things.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;48229132]Driving like a Grandma will get you fucking killed so fast where I live. If they obey the speed limit and gingerly accelerate and brake, then there's no hope for them to work well here.
[B]14 accidents in 1.9m miles is an accident every 135,000 miles and that's not as good as the average human driver.[/B] Google says it wasn't their fault because being rear ended usually means it isn't. But see the statement above[/QUOTE]
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhat the fuck?
(though also you should consider that the SDCs have never been the cause of an accident
[QUOTE=draugur;48229634]Anyone with any concept of basic rational thought who considers the concept for more than a blink and a hand wave. Because a basic risk-benefit analysis lets me know that it's a stupid fucking idea to risk injury at a 2.5x factor in order to shave a few measly minutes at best off my daily commute.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://priceonomics.com/is-every-speed-limit-too-low/[/url]
Read through this.
Also, I save myself half an hour a day by ignoring speed limits. I slow down when approaching curves, and when the flow of traffic dictates I go slower, but otherwise I maintain a speed of around 70mph on highways.
[QUOTE=valkery;48229925][url]http://priceonomics.com/is-every-speed-limit-too-low/[/url]
Read through this.
Also, I save myself half an hour a day by ignoring speed limits. I slow down when approaching curves, and when the flow of traffic dictates I go slower, but otherwise I maintain a speed of around 70mph on highways.[/QUOTE]
Highway driving isn't comparable to city driving sorry, your article is completely out of context and thus completely irrelevant as a result. I can see why you would be confused though since the numbers we had been referring to were "50" and "80" but if you actually read what was being said we were referencing to km/hr. 50km/hr is about 30mph which is not a highway speed.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;48229806]wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhat the fuck?
(though also you should consider that the SDCs have never been the cause of an accident[/QUOTE]
agreed, ive driven like 80k miles in my tiny driving lifetime and ive already been involved in two accidents
first one was my bad when i slightly dozed off while trying to park(took a long haul flight and had nothin to eat at home), accidentally rolled right over the parking block
second was some shitlord trying to do 60 on a ramp while i was merging into it at 40, got a gnarly scrape on the side of my car for that
i dont know which part of the US you're from but one accident per 135k miles sounds pretty great to me
[QUOTE=TheTalon;48229132]that's not as good as the average human driver. [/QUOTE]
Cite your sources because I have yet to find this to be correct. Also this is in the six years that this [I]incredibly early alpha state technology[/I] has even been considered road worthy. To give this a proper analogue we'd have to compare it to stats that you'd receive as a human driver within your first six years of driving as well, basically from age 16-24.
[QUOTE=A Noobcake;48229183]That's fucking dumb, the limits are there for a reason and people like you are part of the problem[/QUOTE]
Current posted speed limits in most countries ard obselete and need an upgrade.
Self driving cars should have a little -/+ switch that increases or decreases the max speed by one. Make it so a popup come up on the touch screen that says the manufacturer/car is not responsible for injury or death when driving over the intended speed. And you have to push okay before the car will exceed the speed limit.
But also make it so it won't go hyper-fast like 100 mph over the limit. Just give it a min/max range it can exceed depending on the linit.
[QUOTE=Delta616;48230148]Current posted speed limits in most countries ard obselete and need an upgrade.[/QUOTE]
tbh many were never correct in the first place.
[QUOTE=Delta616;48230148]Current posted speed limits in most countries ard obselete and need an upgrade.[/QUOTE]
Obsolete my ass. The average driving ability of most people is fucking disgraceful at best and our drivers education system is absolute trash. In completely ideal conditions and with distraction-less drivers I would agree but that's not possible because [I]unlike computers, humans can be easily distracted from driving.[/I] Now when auto driving cars are the norm, yeah I would agree that an increase in speeds is perfectly fine, because the risk is mitigated by the ever vigilant computer driver.
In 2013 there were 33,804 people killed by vehicle accidents, 10.7 per 100,000 people. There were by comparison 33,636 people killed in [I]all[/I] firearms deaths, or 10.6 per 100,000. (Only ~8500 of those are murders)
This is almost 20% of the total deaths caused by injuries that year. (~17.5%)
Source:
[url]http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf[/url]
If you really think that we need to be making roads more dangerous you're honestly delusional.
Seriously, it's not Google's fault that idiots can't obey simple laws or pay attention on a completely basic level to avoid rear-ending a slowing vehicle.
Maybe speed limits are out of date or just wrong, but that's what they are and if someone wants to stick to the law then you can't go complaining about them. Making it a problem for google etc is the wrong way, it's the rules that need to change
The idiots in this thread who say stuff like "The only problem with them is that they drive within the speed limits. I like speeding on straight roads because that makes it ok" should get their drivers license's revoked
Like holy shit you're almost as bad as the people who try to justify driving while being drunk/high
And seriously what the fuck "If many people drive faster than the velocity limit then you should too because otherwise YOU'RE the danger", great logic, was your driving instructor retarded or did you win your license?
Try using that excuse when a police officer pulls you over for speeding "but officer, everyone else did it too! unfair!!!"
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;48230478]Uhh yeah, that's exactly how it works.
One guy going 50 while everyone else is going 80 is going to mess up the flow of traffic.
Speed limits are pretty awful, a good driver will drive however fast they can safely.[/QUOTE]
A good driver will not endanger everybody else on the road.
Imagine somebody who can't drive fast or is just simply afraid. Are you suggesting we simply force them to drive fast so he's even more likely to make an accident? There are enough accidents with current speed limits.
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;48230366]The idiots in this thread who say stuff like "The only problem with them is that they drive within the speed limits. I like speeding on straight roads because that makes it ok" should get their drivers license's revoked
Like holy shit you're almost as bad as the people who try to justify driving while being drunk/high
And seriously what the fuck "If many people drive faster than the velocity limit then you should too because otherwise YOU'RE the danger", great logic, was your driving instructor retarded or did you win your license?
Try using that excuse when a police officer pulls you over for speeding "but officer, everyone else did it too! unfair!!!"[/QUOTE]
Ever try to get on an on ramp that merges into a 65 mph highway with some idiot following the speed limit of the road they were just on? It's dangerous.
So is a person going 55mph on a road where everyone else is going 70-80mph. The people going 70 don't expect to see a person going 55 since [I]everyone else is going faster[/I] and when they catch up to this person they slam on their brakes and try to swerve to avoid hitting the slow-moving obstacle in front of them.
There are times when following the rules can get people killed, because laws and rules are not the best way to determine the relative rightness/wrongness of an action. Sometimes (like on a road where everyone else is speeding) it is safer and better to also break the speed limit. If you can't, or aren't comfortable going faster, you need to either allow someone who is capable of doing so to drive, or find another route, because by following the rules you become the exception and therefore the most hazardous person on the road.
Some of you also need to understand the difference between driving 30 OVER the limit and driving 30 UNDER the limit. Driving too much under the limit is just as illegal as driving over the limit.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;48230478]Uhh yeah, that's exactly how it works.
One guy going 50 while everyone else is going 80 is going to mess up the flow of traffic.
Speed limits are pretty awful, a good driver will drive however fast they can safely.[/QUOTE]
Haha, no. Most drivers severely overestimate their ability, which is why you get accidents in the first place.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48230602]Haha, no. Most drivers severely overestimate their ability, which is why you get accidents in the first place.[/QUOTE]
That and ice and deer and excess gravel and drunk drivers and weather and darkness and a thousand other variables. It's not just humans overestamating ability, it's the fact that operating a machine that goes at extreme speeds is an inherently dangerous and unpredictable task. Which is why roads are designed to make it easier, and cars have a ton of safety features, and why speed limits exist at all.
But unrealistic speed limits also exist, and it is sometimes better to speed than it is to follow them.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;48230478]
Speed limits are pretty awful, a good driver will drive however fast they can safely.[/QUOTE]
"I'm perfectly able to drive while drunk, law makers can go suck it"
[editline]17th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=valkery;48230655]That and ice and deer and excess gravel and drunk drivers and weather and darkness and a thousand other variables.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, and those factors (apart from the drunk drivers one) would be irrelevant if you stopped driving like an idiot because "everyone else does it"
"It was the ice's fault I crashed, not the fact that I was unaware of my surroundings and drove faster than I should've"
Like I know it's generally extremely (comparably) easy to acquire a license in the U.S, but holy shit
i hope the people that openly break the speed limits and somehow cause a wreck with a self driving car because of it get atleast 5 years of prison
[QUOTE=Delta616;48230148]Current posted speed limits in most countries ard obselete and need an upgrade.[/QUOTE]
Then bring that up with the authorities by contacting a local politician and making sure they know that the people want a re-evaluation of the speed limits in the area. Make a campaign, start an organization or something, anything that involves going through the proper channels and might actually be productive.
The worst thing you can do is to drive however you feel like because you think the legal limits are obsolete. It's making you a danger to yourself and to others and if you, by being a self-righteous asshole, manage to get yourself or someone else involved in an accident you can be absolutely certain you're blowing every sliver of a chance that they'll want to increase the speed limit for that stretch of road or that area in general in a very long time.
Seriously, being a douche towards the people who know their own good just makes you look like even more of an asshole and does nothing to actually get the speed limits increased at all.
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;48230366]The idiots in this thread who say stuff like "The only problem with them is that they drive within the speed limits. I like speeding on straight roads because that makes it ok" should get their drivers license's revoked
Like holy shit you're almost as bad as the people who try to justify driving while being drunk/high
And seriously what the fuck "If many people drive faster than the velocity limit then you should too because otherwise YOU'RE the danger", great logic, was your driving instructor retarded or did you win your license?
Try using that excuse when a police officer pulls you over for speeding "but officer, everyone else did it too! unfair!!!"[/QUOTE]
Have you ever seen American driving behavior? Have you ever seen [I]New Jersey?[/I] Following the speed limits on heavily traveled roads and parkways is absolutely dangerous in America. You stay with the flow of traffic no matter what or you risk getting piledrived into a median barrier, a pole, a ditch, or the back of someone else's car. Police here are extremely lax about speeding outside of towns and neighborhoods for multiple reasons including preserving the safety of drivers who are afraid to compromise between following posted limits and staying with the flow of traffic. There's no justifying going 90 on a parkway or 65 on an abandoned country back road, but you can't refuse to keep up with everyone else unless you're willing to put your life into the hands of whoever is behind you.
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