Google Self-Driving Car Involved in First Injury Accident
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[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;48230746]If you say so, but that's unrelated[/QUOTE]
You should probably also remove the license system completely, who are they to tell you whether or not you can drive, right?
Even the Pennsylvania DMV instructs drivers to prioritize staying with the flow of traffic outside of specific emergency circumstances.
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;48230715]Have you ever seen American driving behavior? Have you ever seen [I]New Jersey?[/I] Following the speed limits on heavily traveled roads and parkways is absolutely dangerous in America. You stay with the flow of traffic no matter what or you risk getting piledrived into a median barrier, a pole, a ditch, or the back of someone else's car. Police here are extremely lax about speeding outside of towns and neighborhoods for multiple reasons including preserving the safety of drivers who are afraid to compromise between following posted limits and staying with the flow of traffic. There's no justifying going 90 on a parkway or 65 on an abandoned country back road, but you can't refuse to keep up with everyone else unless you're willing to put your life into the hands of whoever is behind you.[/QUOTE]
Seems like a p. broken system
[QUOTE=TheTalon;48229132]Driving like a Grandma will get you fucking killed so fast where I live. [B]If they obey the speed limit and gingerly accelerate and brake, then there's no hope for them to work well here[/B].
14 accidents in 1.9m miles is an accident every 135,000 miles and that's not as good as the average human driver. Google says it wasn't their fault because being rear ended usually means it isn't. But see the statement above[/QUOTE]
Are you saying that Google should program their cars to break the fucking law oh my god :vs:
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;48230814]Are you saying that Google should program their cars to break the fucking law oh my god :vs:[/QUOTE]
That's kind of the problem here, yes. Trying to make a program that understands and follows the driving cultures of any and every place on Earth is a pretty impossible task, so the best thing that's actually viable seems like it would be to always obey the law which, to be fair, is what everyone should be doing in the first place.
[QUOTE=A Noobcake;48230832]That's kind of the problem here, yes. Trying to make a program that understands and follows the driving cultures of any and every place on Earth is a pretty impossible task, so the best thing that's actually viable seems like it would be to always obey the law which, to be fair, is what everyone should be doing in the first place.[/QUOTE]
The only real solution is to remove the human factor completely tbh
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;48230804]Seems like a p. broken system[/QUOTE]
America has one of the most active, congested, and outdated road networks in the world. Add this to the facts that most freight is hauled over the highway for lack of a better rail system, and new drivers are not given much instruction outside of paid courses or their parents tutoring them, and you have the modern commute in this country.
[QUOTE=A Noobcake;48230832]That's kind of the problem here, yes. Trying to make a program that understands and follows the driving cultures of any and every place on Earth is a pretty impossible task, so the best thing that's actually viable seems like it would be to always obey the law which, to be fair, is what everyone should be doing in the first place.[/QUOTE]
What if we just have fines for if somebody causes an accident with a self-driving car since it's pretty much 99.99% going to be the human's fault? It wouldn't be a perfect solution but it would be good for a transitional period whilst they become more popular/ affordable.
finally an appropriate use for :clickbait:
seriously though i dont why people are so afraid of this.
ALL of the accidents were at the fault of humans, not the car.
carry on, google
I will never buy a Self driving car. I want to be in control of the vehicle and anything that happens to it be my damn fault.
I went to the us last year, and just after being picked up at the airport I saw some of the worst driving I've ever seen. The us needs to make getting a driver's license harder. It's not even hard enough here in Denmark, imo.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;48230892]What if we just have fines for if somebody causes an accident with a self-driving car since it's pretty much 99.99% going to be the human's fault? It wouldn't be a perfect solution but it would be good for a transitional period whilst they become more popular/ affordable.[/QUOTE]
I don't really think it would be necessary, as long as you can retrieve recording like the one posted on page 1 here it should always be possible to prove that the driverless car wasn't at fault. This might in turn help make drivers more cautious now that they are being recorded by an unknown amount of other cars on the road, making the driverless cars act as kind of a network of surveillance cameras that will save a lot of time and resources in what would normally be "he said/she said" cases where the only witnesses are the ones invoved in the accident.
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;48230869]and new drivers are not given much instruction outside of paid courses or their parents tutoring them[/QUOTE]
Exactly what my point is, stupid drivers are extremely dangerous drivers, and when lots of your states let 16 year old sub-80 IQ monkeys drive, complete chaos is a given
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;48230925]I went to the us last year, and just after being picked up at the airport I saw some of the worst driving I've ever seen. The us needs to make getting a driver's license harder. It's not even hard enough here in Denmark, imo.[/QUOTE]
The problem with that is that the American economy relies on people being able to commute to work in a timely fashion. Many people here live quite a long distance away from their job, and the mass transit system here is really only existent within large cities. America relies on cars and easy access to cars. Most companies here explicitly require that a person has a viable means of transportation before they'll even consider letting them have a position.
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;48230964]The problem with that is that the American economy relies on people being able to commute to work in a timely fashion. Many people here live quite a long distance away from their job, and the mass transit system here is really only existent within large cities. America relies on cars and easy access to cars.[/QUOTE]
And that's worth more than people's lives?
"nah, improving the public transit systems and ancient road systems while raising our standards regarding the difficulty of getting a driver's license are too expensive, it's a lot better to let people constantly kill themselves and others instead"
How can you be Ok with this? I'd be furious
It's interesting that the long term point is being missed; in however many years it takes for self-driving cars to be widespread, speed limits will be an obsolete concept as the vehicles will be able to accurately determine the fastest safe driving speed for any given situation.
That's actually probably true even now, though it's easy to understand why Google might not want to allow their cars to speed (self-driving car gets speeding ticket probably isn't a headline they want), regardless of if it wouldn't change the level of safety or not.
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;48230974]And that's worth more than people's lives?[/QUOTE]
I'm describing the state of things, not declaring it optimal. We NEED a mass transit system that is at least as revolutionary and expansive as the interstate system was when it was first constructed. And it needs to be inexpensive enough that everyone can and is willing to access it. The problem with locking people out of personal transportation now is that America's domestic economy would get fucked completely, which would cause an increase in deaths in its own right.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;48231009]Yeah because everytime I go 56 in a 55, I murder countless children.
C'mon, Sweden. You have to know it's different here in America, we are the size of Europe. It's a little trickier updating infrastructure.[/QUOTE]
Yet countries in Europe update their infrastructure more or less constantly, can't the individual states in the US do the same?
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;48231009]Yeah because everytime I go 56 in a 55, I murder countless children.
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No, but whenever you raise your speed your total kinetic energy fucking skyrockets in comparison, dramatically raising the chances of you losing control of your vehicle and killing yourself or someone else. And we're not talking about 55 or 56 m/h, we're talking about you trying to justify going 10m/h, 20m/h, or even twice above the speed limit
And let's not even talk about speeding within cities, which is extremely stupid
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[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;48231009]C'mon, Sweden. You have to know it's different here in America, we are the size of Europe. It's a little trickier updating infrastructure.[/QUOTE]
You're the world's main superpower and supposed to be the epitome of western society, act like it
[QUOTE=bdd458;48230922]I will never buy a Self driving car. I want to be in control of the vehicle and anything that happens to it be my damn fault.[/QUOTE]
Awesome, so in the future where a lot of cars are automated and driving in near-perfect synchrony thanks to the nature of such a thing, you're happy to be that one asshole who starts causing minor problems in the system because "fuck nerds i'm a better car than u".
You're nowhere near as good a driver as your mind wants you to believe. Nobody is.
[QUOTE=Scratch.;48228557][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtLp2f-vM14[/media][/QUOTE]
Why where the cars in front just sitting there at a green light?
The guy who rammed the google car was clearly at fault regardless.
[QUOTE=Rar;48231090]Why where the cars in front just sitting there at a green light?
The guy who rammed the google car was clearly at fault regardless.[/QUOTE]
you're not supposed to enter an intersection if you can't clear it
there was traffic on the other side, so you wait on your side until you can clear it
car behind googlemobile wasn't paying attention
[QUOTE=hexpunK;48231085]Awesome, so in the future where a lot of cars are automated and driving in near-perfect synchrony thanks to the nature of such a thing, you're happy to be that one asshole who starts causing minor problems in the system because "fuck nerds i'm a better car than u".
You're nowhere near as good a driver as your mind wants you to believe. Nobody is.[/QUOTE]
He can always use automated bus instead
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;48231106]you're not supposed to enter an intersection if you can't clear it
there was traffic on the other side, so you wait on your side until you can clear it
car behind googlemobile wasn't paying attention[/QUOTE]
Ah, I couldn't see that because of the youtube is full-screen prompt
[QUOTE=Rar;48231090]Why where the cars in front just sitting there at a green light?
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Yes, it would've been so much better if they had driven because "ooh, green colour!" just to get stuck in the middle of the intersection
Edit:
"Ah, I couldn't see that because of the youtube is full-screen prompt"
Saw that too late, sorry
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48231114]He can always use automated bus instead[/QUOTE]
Or the auto-taxi. Maybe the auto-train if he's going some distance.
[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;48229164]Yeah I'm excited for driverless cars but the downside is that they're gonna obey speed limits, and fuckin' nobody drives 50km/h here, which is understandable because that's wayyy too slow.
I'm hoping you'll be able to jailbreak them somehow and tell them to drive up to 30 over the limit[/QUOTE]
With the advent of self driving cars comes faster speeds. We no longer need stoplights, because we dont need to alert the drivers using antiquated tech like light bulbs, we can communicate directly to the 'driver' with actual data. With that we no longer need the intersection altogether, because you can just design a road system that routes traffic safely, especially considering that your car can tell another car to speed up so you can merge, or that you need to be in a lane they're blocking, so on. You could have seamless roundabouts at whatever speed the cars control (things like traction, weight of the car...) allow for. If a single person breaks the system, it becomes dangerous for all the other cars, right? You can imagine all the ways your jailbreak could hinder this process especially considering the resources of who is going to be owning these cars and building their systems and networks vs who is going to hack them.
Now we have a 100mph collision as apposed to a 30mph collision. That's very risky so there's a speed restriction is busy places to avoid extreme accidents. So in a hypothetical world I took every human driver off the road, resigned all of earths roadways to accommodate drivers that can process decisions near instantly as well as hyper-communicate with every other driver in range of it, we still have to drive slow.
[QUOTE=Cmx;48228979]Could the problem lie in the cars being unpredictable to other drivers?
I mean when you are watching the driver in front of you, you know what they are going to do. With the driverless cars it could just be putting its brakes on at times that the driver behind isnt expecting.[/QUOTE]
You can't ever expect or rely on the others doing anything beyond what's defined by law, and sometimes not even that.
Of course, even in car lessons my lecturer told me to pass a a yellow light rather than break sharply and risk somebody rear-ending me, but people react in all kids of bizarre ways all the time.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48229506]You don't speed on sharp turns. On a straight road 80 isn't a lot. If you think it is, then yes, you're a grandma driver.[/QUOTE]
A car is programmed to follow a speed limit, the speed limit on the road is 50. You jailbreak it so that it does +30 higher than the speed limit. The car flies off the road because it wasn't intended to do 80 around turns.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;48231316]
I don't control where the government spends its money, don't tell me to "act like the epitome of western society." Believe me, if I had the power to fix the roads, I would. I don't enjoy hitting potholes and giant fissures in the road.
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You referred to me as "Sweden" and thus I refer to you as the U.S .
Of course I didn't actually refer to you as the individual, though, I'm just saying it's sort of weird that your government hasn't done anything about it
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