Nigel Farage widely criticised after being buttmassively buttdestroyed in radio interview until UKIP - Polidicks

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44849311]I understand what you're saying but I am an extremely skeptical person. I've believed in things fully only to find out they are complete and utter crap, so when the government says we need to curb climate change and increase tax on things with a "carbon footprint" I instantly call out greedy bullshit. [/QUOTE] The government didn't say we need to curb climate change, climate scientists did. Carbon emission taxes are how the govt. tries to reduce the emissions of vehicles. The time for "being sceptical" of climate change is over, 97% of climate scientists have to come to that conclusion, it isn't a public opinion issue. [QUOTE=joshdasmif;44849311]I have been disappointed far too many times in life and I'm still a young man, I have also noticed how much lies the government tell us, how they never manage to keep their promises. All I really want is a party to lead this country properly without all the masquerading[/QUOTE] And UKIP isn't more of the same?

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44849386]All the rich in this country are tax dodging liars lol. Farage isn't exclusive[/QUOTE] so don't vote for any of them? or at least don't vote for the [i]obviously racist[/i] tax-dodging liar? your logic is literally that of a child's. "yeh well he started it. yeh well he's worse than me. yeh well he did it first". it's pathetic

[QUOTE=danharibo;44849387]The government didn't say we need to curb climate change, climate scientists did. Carbon emission taxes are how the govt. tries to reduce the emissions of vehicles. The time for "being sceptical" of climate change is over, 97% of climate scientists have to come to that conclusion, it isn't a public opinion issue. And UKIP isn't more of the same?[/QUOTE] UKIP is a little less bullshit from what I can tell, like I said

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44849311]I understand what you're saying but I am an extremely skeptical person. I've believed in things fully only to find out they are complete and utter crap, so when the government says we need to curb climate change and increase tax on things with a "carbon footprint" I instantly call out greedy bullshit. I have been disappointed far too many times in life and I'm still a young man, I have also noticed how much lies the government tell us, how they never manage to keep their promises. All I really want is a party to lead this country properly without all the masquerading[/QUOTE] how many scientific journals have you read on this subject? because if you were legitimately a skeptic, that's what you'd be doing, poring through hundreds of pages of scientific research to form a solid opinion based in fact, that's more than 'Government just wants more money' which again, has no solid ground to defend from other than the fact that governments have been corrupt. Also why do you think that UKIP will lead this country properly without all the masquerading? Their entire campaign has been based around driving attention to one issue they support and avoiding talking about all the other easily deconstructed issues that they wish to act on, as well as the corruption and racism allegations within their party. You've basically drank their kool aid on this, you've done exactly what they're hoping you would do. It just seems like you've done minimal research into any of this, and that's my issue here. By all means vote for a far right party, but as a person who has pictures on his facebook of him bunnin' de 'erb I feel like you don't understand the party you're preaching allegiance to at all.

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44849386]All the rich in this country are tax dodging liars lol. Farage isn't exclusive[/QUOTE] That doesn't excuse anything. If you dislike tax dodging, you should dislike it no matter who is doing it.

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44849361]I agree with his immigration policy, everything else I don't care about as he will end up just like all the other parties when the immigration has been dealt with Hence why I said I vote on a party which I think is telling a marginal amount more truth than the rest of them. All bollocks, that's what politics is. We'll just have to found out what kind of a man he really is if he gets into power[/QUOTE] if politics and democracy are bollocks, then why are the living standards in countries with politics far higher than those without? parliament (AND 20th century immigration) allowed our own living standards to skyrocket. man-made climate change is scientific [i]fact[/i] as well, it is not a theory, and just because you hate taxes like some kind of angry sexless stock broker, it doesn't give you scientific leverage to disregard it. and lastly, without immigration and the EU, our economy would cripple within months. how can you think this man has a shred of truth in him, when he has to have his daily express cronies escort him away from any interview that displays him getting shat on?

[QUOTE=Bobie;44849405]if politics and democracy are bollocks, then why are the living standards in countries with politics far higher than those without? parliament (AND 20th century immigration) allowed our own living standards to skyrocket. man-made climate change is scientific [i]fact[/i] as well, it is not a theory, and just because you hate taxes like some kind of angry sexless stock broker, it doesn't give you scientific leverage to disregard it. and lastly, without immigration and the EU, our economy would cripple within months. how can you think this man has a shred of truth in him, when he has to have his daily express cronies escort him away from any interview that displays him getting shat on?[/QUOTE] The economy would not cripple within months, stop talking bollocks. We managed just fine before with our own immigration policies not written by some other tosser who doesn't care about the country

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;44849375]but his 'truths' (i don't know where this comes from because it has been pretty much proven that he is a tax-dodging liar) forms the backbone of a party with racist ideals being led by a man who is obviously racist sorry for the godwin but if hitler had a 100% truthful election campaign but the backbone of it was still "kill jews", would you vote for him on the basis that "ah well at least he's being truthful right?" you're actually mental [QUOTE=joshdasmif;44849386]All the rich in this country are tax dodging liars lol. Farage isn't exclusive[/QUOTE][/QUOTE] i love how much this is exactly like a farage response you're posed with a really simple and obvious fallacy in your way of thinking and a genuine criticism and instead of responding to it with any sort of gusto you just pick out one word and then spin that against all the other political parties that aren't relevant to the question at all deflect deflect deflect

I understand all of you want a slice of my intelligence but I can't reply to you all, especially when I am repeating myself most of the time

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44849413]The economy would not cripple within months, stop talking bollocks. We managed just fine before with our own immigration policies not written by some other tosser who doesn't care about the country[/QUOTE] are you really comparing the economy pre-1939 to the economy of 2014? really? seriously?

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;44849424]are you really comparing the economy pre-1939 to the economy of 2014? really? seriously?[/QUOTE] I'm talking about our economy in all of history where we faired very well, up until the point we started centralizing everything. Now look at us, it's laughable

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44849413]The economy would not cripple within months, stop talking bollocks. We managed just fine before with our own immigration policies not written by some other tosser who doesn't care about the country[/QUOTE] do you even know about the history of mass immigration in our country? people said exactly the same thing when we took on refugees during and after world war 2. blacks were singled out and attacked by right wing groups, similar to those that represent anti-immigration today. immigration control [i]has[/i] sparked riots and damaged our economy in the past (see the strict controls in the 80s)

[QUOTE=Vasili;44845624]I think there is an actual media gang up against UKIP, notice how many of the papers keep referring to UKIPs events as 'car crashes' all of a sudden?[/QUOTE] There is, I'm pretty sure it was started by other parties accusing them of racism purely on the basis that their campaign is gaining support faster than everyone else's. I don't agree with UKIP on much other than the EU (and I barely know shit about politics anyway) but as far as I can tell UKIP are bad for racism and stupidity etc but not as bad as everyone in the media and on the internet thinks they are. UKIP have just sort of become a scapegoat for everything recently.

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44849183]If Scotland goes independent I'm moving to England. Would hate to see a Rhodesia V2 because of fat twat Salmond[/QUOTE]Can we just roll back to this for one moment. You're cool with the UK overall being independent, but Scotland wanting to be independent is a problem?

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44849433]I'm talking about our economy in all of history where we faired very well, up until the point we started centralizing everything. Now look at us, it's laughable[/QUOTE] the whole world economy was brought to its knees by rich bankers and businessmen (what was farage before he become a 'politician'?) and yet you're choosing the blame it on immigration and globilisation because that's easier for you to swallow

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44849420]I understand all of you want a slice of my intelligence but I can't reply to you all, especially when I am repeating myself most of the time[/QUOTE] You aren't answering anyone's questions. You're deflecting, hand-waiving, and reusing fallacious arguments or flat out wrong evidence to support your position.

[QUOTE=Rossy167;44849447]There is, I'm pretty sure it was started by other parties accusing them of racism purely on the basis that their campaign is gaining support faster than everyone else's. I don't agree with UKIP on much other than the EU (and I barely know shit about politics anyway) but as far as I can tell UKIP are bad for racism and stupidity etc but not as bad as everyone in the media and on the internet thinks they are. UKIP have just sort of become a scapegoat for everything recently.[/QUOTE]They're actually much worse than you realize. And they're not right about the EU.

I like how the Americans are getting involved in UK politics

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;44849459]the whole world economy was brought to its knees by rich bankers and businessmen (what was farage before he become a 'politician'?) and yet you're choosing the blame it on immigration and globilisation because that's easier for you to swallow[/QUOTE] the old Eternal Jew trick

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44849480]I like how the Americans are getting involved in UK politics[/QUOTE] it's like no one has ever done that to any other country ever

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44849433]I'm talking about our economy in all of history where we faired very well, up until the point we started centralizing everything. Now look at us, it's laughable[/QUOTE] What's laughable is the idea that early 20th century economics are in any way applicable to today's world. Trade is a million times more important than it was then. The population is through the fucking roof (and not because of immigrants), farming is considerably less common, and people expect more than some potatoes and a chicken once a week. [editline]19th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=joshdasmif;44849480]I like how the Americans are getting involved in UK politics[/QUOTE] They seem to have a much better understanding than you do.

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44849227]I would shit myself and wish I never did the things I did, I just really don't see it happening sorry[/QUOTE] So you just don't understand the science behind it or are you just delusional? [url]http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140515090934.htm[/url] A collapse is currently happening, like as we type this the western Antarctic ice sheet is crumbling. Oh and as another effect, it'll start hitting animal species soon in a really hard way. [url]http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/hotter-climate-could-turn-sea-turtles-allgirl-20140518-38hy2.html[/url] And as my last point, the Greenland ice sheet is also melting and has been found in the past few days to be at much greater risk than we originally though because the valleys the glaciers move through were found to be further below sea level than we thought.

[QUOTE=smurfy;44849302]The Queen is reportedly a lefty and probably hates UKIP lol [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/queens-politics-revealed-1355324.html[/url][/QUOTE] That is an interesting piece, and shows that Her Majesty really does care for her people. One thing that stuck out though was that even if she did not agree with what was going on, she was still independent of it and didn't create a fuss or demand her own way, which in turn shows that she has a great respect for the system as well. It is doubtful that there will be a UKIP prime minister in the near future, but if by chance there was, and she was still queen, don't you think she would still follow standard operating procedure with him/her?

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44849480]I like how the Americans are getting involved in UK politics[/QUOTE] Contrary to what you seem to believe, having the Union Jack next to your post doesn't grant you any special powers. They're not the ones planning on voting for UKIP.

[QUOTE=danharibo;44849573]Contrary to what you seem to believe, having the Union Jack next to your post doesn't grant you any special powers. They're not the ones planning on voting for UKIP.[/QUOTE] It grants me a vote in Britain at least. Yes I'm voting UKIP because they're what this country needs

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;44849454]Can we just roll back to this for one moment. You're cool with the UK overall being independent, but Scotland wanting to be independent is a problem?[/QUOTE] Yeah the cognitive dissonance is hilarious right? [editline]19th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=joshdasmif;44849588]It grants me a vote in Britain at least. Yes I'm voting UKIP because they're what this country needs[/QUOTE] Because the filthy immigrant dogs are taking all our jobs eh comrade?

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44849480]I like how the Americans are getting involved in UK politics[/QUOTE] You made a claim about a global issue man. You posted a single non-scientific publication on climate change Nearly every point in your list isn't cited, and a handful are completely irrelevant. Let's take #99 for instance: [QUOTE]99) [B]A US Oregon Petition Project stated[/B] “We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind. There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of CO2, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.”[/QUOTE] A petition started by US citizens in bum-fuck Oregon somehow holds more truth than these 200 scientific organizations across the globe? [URL="http://opr.ca.gov/s_listoforganizations.php"]http://opr.ca.gov/s_listoforganizations.php[/URL]

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44849588]It grants me a vote in Britain at least. Yes I'm voting UKIP because they're what this country needs[/QUOTE] Yes, what this country needs is intricate, fallacious xenophobes in power. How long until you can vote? Let's hope that by the time you actually can vote, you have a little more brains, a little more research, and a little less blind hate fuelled by UKIP's bullshit propaganda.

[QUOTE=Taggart;44849610]Yes, what this country needs is intricate, fallacious xenophobes in power. How long until you can vote? Let's hope that by the time you actually can vote, you have a little more brains, a little more research, and a little less blind hate fuelled by UKIP's bullshit propaganda.[/QUOTE] I'm 20 next month, work it out

At least if UKIP does get in ill have the consultation prize of saying an enormous "i fucking told you so", to all the idiots that brought them in.