• FBI considers redefining rape
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[QUOTE=HawkeyeTy;32585571]I've never heard ANYTHING of the like. Not even in the news. What an odd thing to get worked up about.[/QUOTE] Someone one of my friends from uni knew had that happen to them but I don't think it's like a widespread plague of people having sex with others then crying rape.
[QUOTE=markg06;32585750]Someone one of my friends from uni knew had that happen to them but I don't think it's like a widespread plague of people having sex with others then crying rape.[/QUOTE]One of my friends told the police and everyone about it she got raped but she barley remembers the party night. She was desperate for attention or something. The guy who "raped" here was her best friend. There is a difference between not knowing what is going on and not wanting to know what happened.
Today I learned that the definition of rape wasn't just "person A forced person B to perform sexual act C"
[QUOTE=Paramud;32584488]I might be missing something here, but I'm pretty sure that it doesn't say specifically vaginal penetration anywhere in that definition.[/QUOTE] No, but technically you could give someone a rigorous fingering and get away with it.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;32585621]nice stereotype. do you know of anyone this ever happened to? also if a girl wants to sleep with a bunch of people then it's her choice and calling her a slut is awful of you. you do know that a lot of the time rape cases actually go unreported because girls are too embarassed and ashamed, right?[/QUOTE] I have a female friend who claims to have been raped, I was really fucking depressed when she told me, but she's given conflicting, vague descriptions. First she was seven years old when it happened, then she was raped while drunk at a party. Am I bad for having some doubt?
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;32585794]Am I bad for having some doubt?[/QUOTE] that's human nature but it's not like I know her or the situations so how would I know? that q came of as really rhetorical and I don't get why you asked.
[QUOTE=Shiftyze;32585782]One of my friends told the police and everyone about it she got raped but she barley remembers the party night. She was desperate for attention or something. The guy who "raped" here was her best friend. There is a difference between not knowing what is going on and not wanting to know what happened.[/QUOTE] "She was desperate for attention[B] or something.[/B]" and of course let's not forget that most rapes happen to people by people they are already close to. sounds like she just got raped and you're a giant dick for not believing it. that's far more common than women pretending to be raped for attention as you put it.
[QUOTE=Shiftyze;32585679]Do you want to watch a documentary or short youtube? Nobody is going to be more astounded by a doc. than a movie.[/QUOTE] The problem is that it's a movie. It's entertainment and not representative of reality no matter what the subject matter is. Just because a love story happens really cute and whatever in a movie doesn't mean that's how people fall in love or whatever. It's genuinely the worst example you could ever give, especially seeing as the movie is defined as an "erotic" movie. why not cite actual evidence instead of relying on something so pitiful?
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[QUOTE=Shiftyze;32585730]It's shown for an example. Not the true definition of how a movie presents its self. Unless you seen movies like Tron and think "Wow that must be how it is to be a programmer!".[/QUOTE] I am a programmer. That's exactly what programming is like. Do some research. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbqshTREcpA[/url] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znGTBayR650[/url] But seriously. You cited a movie, a fictional piece of entertainment, as an example of what rape accusations are like. And then you made the example of "Well unless if you watch Tron and think that's what programming is like" with the implication of it being dumb. So which is it? Is Tron a realistic example of programming, or do you need to find an actual source for the prevalence of false rape accusations? [QUOTE=Elecbullet;32585794]I have a female friend who claims to have been raped, I was really fucking depressed when she told me, but she's given conflicting, vague descriptions. First she was seven years old when it happened, then she was raped while drunk at a party. Am I bad for having some doubt?[/QUOTE] You're not bad for having [I]some[/I] doubt. There is the possibility, however, that she was raped multiple times.
Want to know what? If you don't want to get raped under the influence, don't be under the influence. There.
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;32585939]Want to know what?[/QUOTE] no-one asked you and no-one wanted to know.
[QUOTE=Shiftyze;32585548]I always despised how a woman can go to someone in law and say "OMG I was raped, do something about" when they were just a slut who slept with everyone.[/QUOTE] 99% of the time this isn't the case. [editline]2nd October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;32585939]Want to know what? If you don't want to get raped under the influence, don't be under the influence. There.[/QUOTE] Blaming the victim, niiiiiiiiice
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;32585939]Want to know what? If you don't want to get raped under the influence, don't be under the influence. There.[/QUOTE] You know what? if you don't want to get shot in the face don't have your face anywhere near bullets. there get banned, fool
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;32585939]Want to know what? If you don't want to get raped under the influence, don't be under the influence. There.[/QUOTE] did you get drunk as a kid and have a bad experience accidentally raping someone on your way home
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;32585939]Want to know what? If you don't want to get raped under the influence, don't be under the influence. There.[/QUOTE] [B]Alex[/B] [B]"[/B][sub][I]All women who wear skimpy clothes are subhuman, I am waiting for my perfect puritan women who has preferably never had sex with another man in her life, also rape victims are the ones to blame[/I][/sub][B]"[/B] [B]DeLarge.[/B] [sub][sub]fyi the point I am insinuating is that you are a hardcore mysoginist. like I'm not just saying that like the other sensationalist headlines people call people mysoginists left and right, you are legitimately the definition of the word and I am surprised they haven't gone to your house and taken a picture of you to put next to the definition[/sub][/sub]
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;32585939]Want to know what? If you don't want to get raped under the influence, don't be under the influence. There.[/QUOTE]that is one of the stupidest things i have ever heard.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32585664]wow you're sexist.[/QUOTE] But you have to agree that society holds a double standard.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;32586119]But you have to agree that society holds a double standard.[/QUOTE] what double standard
[QUOTE=aydin690;32585143]FYI groping and shit counts as sexual assault too.[/QUOTE] Isn't it more like sexual harassment? There's a line between the two.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;32586119]But you have to agree that society holds a double standard.[/QUOTE] Certainly, just not like that
Good that they're redefining it. Perhaps we can get rid of double standards like "A guy having sex with a drunk girl is a rapist, but a girl having sex with a drunk guy isn't a rapist".
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;32585939]Want to know what? If you don't want to get raped under the influence, don't be under the influence. There.[/QUOTE] Why do you hate women so much? Fuck.
[QUOTE=Mlisen14;32586639]Why do you hate women so much? Fuck.[/QUOTE] It sounds pretty logical to me. If you don't want to end up having sex with strangers, don't be under the influence of things that makes you consent to things you'll regret. If a guy ends up in bed with someone and he regrets it the day after, you don't often see them crying "rape" about it since everyone thinks it's his own fault. [editline]2nd October 2011[/editline] I think the same laws should apply to both genders equally.
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;32585939]Want to know what?[/QUOTE] nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo [editline]2nd October 2011[/editline] no no no no no god no don't post again for the love of god god no [editline]2nd October 2011[/editline] go eat a sandwich, go read a book, go pirate a tv show, i wish you have whatever life you desire for yourself with few impediments towards your goals and a chance to make peace with the powers that be before you die a happy man on the condition that that you do it all away from here
[QUOTE=CoolHandLuke;32584008][URL="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-rape-fbi-20111001,0,5720055.story"]http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-rape-fbi-20111001,0,5720055.story[/URL][/QUOTE] That definition of rape is scarily narrow, especially with all of the loopholes (furthermore others are: same sex rape, use of fetishes, just plane sexual torture with no or a loophole of penetration or any more variations of the act.). And even more concerning as rape is one of the worst crimes in the book. Hopefully that will help bring more criminals to justice and cover more variety of the crime. We have a similar law in Canada but the term is Sexual Harassment, leading to a very generalized range of abuse. A sentence can be brought from calling someone you want to date twice, to an extremely inhumane sexual offense, obviously with the worse crime, the worse punishment.
Honestly, with as many threads I've seen that have a similar title, replacing FBI with a random conservative elected official, I expected this to be bad news. You know, another one of those where they believe the term rape [i]victim[/i] is inappropriate, and instead want to call them rape [i]accusers[/i], even though there is no other crime in which the accuser is referred to as such and not as a victim. Or when they try to say that if the woman didn't fight back physically, if the rape wasn't violent, it wasn't rape--as if their goal is trying to get these women killed on top of suffering such horrific trauma. Then I was pleasantly surprised. Way to go FBI. This country has some fucked up archaic views of rape and it's time someone stepped up as an advocate for these men, women, and children.
[QUOTE=Simski;32586696]If you don't want to end up having sex with strangers, don't be under the influence of things that makes you consent to things you'll regret.[/QUOTE] oh i'm sorry i thought we were talking about rape? you know that thing that by definition you don't consent to?
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;32585939]Want to know what? If you don't want to get raped under the influence, don't be under the influence. There.[/QUOTE] Do you understand the levels of retardation flowing from your post? It's astounding. lol if you don't want to get raped, don't have a vagina Shut the fuck up. [editline]2nd October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Simski;32586696]It sounds pretty logical to me. If you don't want to end up having sex with strangers, don't be under the influence of things that makes you consent to things you'll regret. If a guy ends up in bed with someone and he regrets it the day after, you don't often see them crying "rape" about it since everyone thinks it's his own fault. [editline]2nd October 2011[/editline] I think the same laws should apply to both genders equally.[/QUOTE] Except that's not rape and no one ever said it was. That's called a mistake. When they refer to rape under the influence, they're talking about girls who've either drank so much of their own accord or have been coaxed into it by their "companion" and then taken advantage of when they black out and are physically incapable of resisting. That is rape. Getting a normal level of drunk and sleeping with a fat, ugly beast with a tiny dick and regretting it the next day is nothing more than a mistake. Actually I'm pretty surprised that you can't tell the difference. Quite a few people in this thread that seem to lack higher thought processes and can't discern between a mistake and rape.
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;32585939]Want to know what? If you don't want to get raped under the influence, don't be under the influence. There.[/QUOTE] Hey I have a better idea DON'T FUCKING RAPE PEOPLE
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