• Substitute teacher fired for posting on Facebook, "The only good trump supporter is a dead one"
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[QUOTE=Scizor;51804892]Jesus Christ Ligten the fuck up. The way I formated and with my history on FP it was obviously an ironic post. Affcourse i'm joking, what else. What is concerning, however, how quickly some of you jumped on m[/QUOTE] The longer the rebuttal is, the deeper you dig yourself. Holy shit, accept that your post wasn't bright, how hard can that be?
[QUOTE=Tudd;51804857]As long as I can post the articles per rules, I am just happy to be here. Though I do have to say it seems were actually having a debate on if what the substitute teacher said was wrong or not. So a couple of the knuckleheads are here.[/QUOTE] Our knuckleheads are shitposting on social media, your knuckleheads are shitposting in the White House.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51804857]As long as I can post the articles per rules, I am just happy to be here. Though I do have to say it seems were actually having a debate on if what the substitute teacher said was wrong or not. So a couple of the knuckleheads are here.[/QUOTE] Like I said, don't let me stop you from playing the victim. If convincing yourself that the political left want to come beat you up and/or kill you is how you make yourself feel important, then by all means. Just don't expect the rest of the rest of the world to subscribe to your sad fantasy, and make sure you're at least continuing to follow the other rules of the subforum.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51805094]Like I said, don't let me stop you from playing the victim. If convincing yourself that the political left want to come beat you up and/or kill you is how you make yourself feel important, then by all means. Just don't expect the rest of the rest of the world to subscribe to your sad fantasy, and make sure you're at least continuing to follow the other rules of the subforum.[/QUOTE] Well I don't play victim or see myself as one. Nor try to live in a fantasy. Just merely posting news that otherwise wouldn't get posted.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51805153]Well I don't play victim or see myself as one. Nor try to live in a fantasy. Just merely posting news that otherwise wouldn't get posted.[/QUOTE] This is such incredibly minor news however. Honestly I should post some local Irish stories of little to no national or international importance. Because I'll be posting news that otherwise wouldn't get posted.
Good she was fired [QUOTE=Tudd;51805153]Well I don't play victim or see myself as one. Nor try to live in a fantasy. Just merely posting news that otherwise wouldn't get posted.[/QUOTE] No one cares enough about Facebook posts to make threads about them.
[QUOTE=Waffle cones.;51805258]It wouldn't normally get posted because there's few people on here as brazen as you in their self-victimization and agenda pushing.[/QUOTE] Nobody seemed to moan about the myriad Trump did, Trump said posts.
[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51805796]Nobody seemed to moan about the myriad Trump did, Trump said posts.[/QUOTE] [B]PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES[/B] v Rutherford County Schools Substitute Teacher
[QUOTE=Crumpet;51805805][B]PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES[/B] v Rutherford County Schools Substitute Teacher[/QUOTE] This doesn't make everything relevant though does it?
[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51805843]This doesn't make everything relevant though does it?[/QUOTE] where is this even going? this is barely arguing, the point you're making is so vague, agreeable and pointless
[QUOTE=Waffle cones.;51805870]Call me crazy, but I think the actions of one of the most powerful people in the world are much more important and worthy of consistent criticism than a bunch of continually cherrypicked articles about the admittedly dumb actions of random individuals.[/QUOTE] This was about Trump indirectly and not just some substitute teacher, the same old folks moaning are moaning because it's not sitting well with their obvious narrative. When your bias is so transparent you need to stop.
Really can't see a problem with the dude's deathwish perhaps if this was a threat directed in person it might be, if it was such a problem that he doesn't support trump that it was integral to his teaching of children then I can see why you'd get him out of his job. As it stands, it's pretty clear that his view point just got viral then the wrong people got hold of it (basically the near equivalent of thought crime) and now they're out of a job for a small peice of text that harms no one. I believe in action before words, I've said plenty of times i'll get up on time for work without an alarm but there's always that wavering moment where what is said isn't necessarily true and something tells me that a substitute teacher hasn't got the urge to actually kill trump supporters but merely doesn't like them enough to really care if they were alive in the first place.
[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51805796]Nobody seemed to moan about the myriad Trump did, Trump said posts.[/QUOTE] People have been whining about them a lot actually. It's just that one matters a whole lot more than the other. [editline]10th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Chopstick;51805975]Really can't see a problem with the dude's deathwish perhaps if this was a threat directed in person it might be, if it was such a problem that he doesn't support trump that it was integral to his teaching of children then I can see why you'd get him out of his job. As it stands, it's pretty clear that his view point just got viral then the wrong people got hold of it (basically the near equivalent of thought crime) and now they're out of a job for a small peice of text that harms no one. I believe in action before words, I've said plenty of times i'll get up on time for work without an alarm but there's always that wavering moment where what is said isn't necessarily true and something tells me that a substitute teacher hasn't got the urge to actually kill trump supporters but merely doesn't like them enough to really care if they were alive in the first place.[/QUOTE] He is allowed his freedom of speech but he can't practice it in this way and remain a representative of the school system, moreso someone who works directly with children. [editline]10th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51805928]This was about Trump indirectly and not just some substitute teacher, the same old folks moaning are moaning because it's not sitting well with their obvious narrative. When your bias is so transparent you need to stop.[/QUOTE] You quoted Waffle cones but this reads like a reply to Tudd.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51804797]Okay. Good, I guess? Endorsing political violence, especially against innocents, is never justified. I won't stop you from pushing this silly agenda, Tudd, but do know that you're not changing anybody's minds about anything. Flooding the forums with articles about [B]Violent Leftists[/B] does not indicate any broader truth beyond the fact that there are some knuckleheaded individuals out there.[/QUOTE] The day Trump got elected my Facebook had some people I know saying shit like this including the infamous "can someone just kill Trump?" I know it's not fair to say this man represents the left, but I also don't think it's simultaneously fair for us on the left to claim it's just some bad eggs when a lot of us on the left are [i]very[/i] willing to represent the right by their worst too. There is a growing portion on the left that preaches hate and violence under the mantra that the left is correct and the right is concentrated evil. It's not something to be ignored. Granted, it's not something we should use as a stereotype for liberals, but I'm an advocate for not treating the right and alt-right the same. [editline]10th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Radical_ed;51804806]Implying there is such a thing as a good supporter[/QUOTE] I know this is a joke but where the joke comes from is kind of a bad place. Even though it seems pretty common sense to me or may come off as preaching, but you are absolutely capable of conversing with some Trump supporters just as you're capable of conversing with some Clinton or Bernie supporters. The predetermined conclusion that it's not possible or that these people are inherently evil people is buying into the propaganda that I think is legitimately weathering away at our society and giving justification to things like an increasingly violent and desperate portion of the left.
[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51805796]Nobody seemed to moan about the myriad Trump did, Trump said posts.[/QUOTE] statements made by the president versus statements made on facebook by an average citizen really makes ya think
[QUOTE=wauterboi;51806642] There is a growing portion on the left that preaches hate and violence under the mantra that the left is correct and the right is concentrated evil. [/QUOTE] And vice versa. The big difference is that these sorts of self-critical, introspective posts are made exclusively by the left.
I wrote a long post, but I'll try to minimize it: The fact that we're looking at our side as the only one being self-critical and introspective shows a lot. As someone who's talked with a lot of Trump supporters, I've really been challenged due to the fact that the conservative stereotype doesn't really hold true all of the time. There are lots of genuine people who are written off as being terrible people, and yet they're the ones being bullied or misunderstood. And even when people do have what I consider the "wrong" stance, there's often at least [I]some[/I] merit or at least a lot of good intentions. For instance, I've got a buddy who doesn't believe in gender transitioning, but genuinely has a lot of empathy for transgendered people and want to help. It's a legitimate hang-up on the effectiveness of transitioning and his review of the research, but I can picture a lot of liberals instantly writing them off as transphobic. And when we do this - we throw these people away - doesn't it make a lot of sense that they wouldn't want to talk to liberals? That they'd create their own community and speak bitterly about the "cucks"? Because at the end of the day, there's been a lot of work done by the liberals to make people feel like genuine shit, and someone's gotta defend these people. I'd actually argue that's why Trump has had the effectiveness in his campaigning - he saw the opportunity to lead the "deplorables". As someone who speaks regularly with alt-right thinkers, libertarians, and conservatives regularly I can tell you that I no longer think it's an issue of conservatism or liberalism, but instead assholes. And both sides have a lot of assholes, and yet I think it's the left that quite often refuses to address the ever-growing militant behavior and the inability to look at the other side without seeing it as just a side. I recall seeing on here people referring to Trump supporters as cowards for not jumping in to defend Trump when it comes to certain issues, and while there's a lot to be said for that in itself, the biggest criticism I'd say is that the people who say stuff like this do not know Trump supporters and aren't making things better. They've reached their predetermined conclusion, and they are going to start immediately in offense mode.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51804797]Okay. Good, I guess? Endorsing political violence, especially against innocents, is never justified. I won't stop you from pushing this silly agenda, Tudd, but do know that you're not changing anybody's minds about anything. Flooding the forums with articles about [B]Violent Leftists[/B] does not indicate any broader truth beyond the fact that there are some knuckleheaded individuals out there.[/QUOTE] I think the real issue is that there being just 2 sides is a illusion. Rather than having your own stance of issues based on your opinions and facts you see, you're sort of "bastardized" by taking a side. It shouldn't have to be that way and there should be no shame in standing where you are. What more are liberalism and conservatism, democrat and republican, than just labels that alienate and divide one another?
[QUOTE=wauterboi;51808191]I wrote a long post, but I'll try to minimize it: The fact that we're looking at our side as the only one being self-critical and introspective shows a lot. As someone who's talked with a lot of Trump supporters, I've really been challenged due to the fact that the conservative stereotype doesn't really hold true all of the time. There are lots of genuine people who are written off as being terrible people, and yet they're the ones being bullied or misunderstood. And even when people do have what I consider the "wrong" stance, there's often at least [I]some[/I] merit or at least a lot of good intentions. For instance, I've got a buddy who doesn't believe in gender transitioning, but genuinely has a lot of empathy for transgendered people and want to help. It's a legitimate hang-up on the effectiveness of transitioning and his review of the research, but I can picture a lot of liberals instantly writing them off as transphobic. And when we do this - we throw these people away - doesn't it make a lot of sense that they wouldn't want to talk to liberals? That they'd create their own community and speak bitterly about the "cucks"? Because at the end of the day, there's been a lot of work done by the liberals to make people feel like genuine shit, and someone's gotta defend these people. I'd actually argue that's why Trump has had the effectiveness in his campaigning - he saw the opportunity to lead the "deplorables". As someone who speaks regularly with alt-right thinkers, libertarians, and conservatives regularly I can tell you that I no longer think it's an issue of conservatism or liberalism, but instead assholes. And both sides have a lot of assholes, and yet I think it's the left that quite often refuses to address the ever-growing militant behavior and the inability to look at the other side without seeing it as just a side. I recall seeing on here people referring to Trump supporters as cowards for not jumping in to defend Trump when it comes to certain issues, and while there's a lot to be said for that in itself, the biggest criticism I'd say is that the people who say stuff like this do not know Trump supporters and aren't making things better. They've reached their predetermined conclusion, and they are going to start immediately in offense mode.[/QUOTE] Someone who really gets it here.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51808966]Someone who really gets it here.[/QUOTE] Says the fellow who spends all day looking up scare articles about "[B]Violent Leftists![/B]" I want to be clear: I have no issues with the Conservative base. There are even several conservative policy points that I respect and support, primarily when it comes to economic policy. I largely agree with what Wauterboi is saying here, and I am not criticizing or stereotyping Conservatives as a generalized entity: I'm criticizing [I]you.[/I] You are a hypocrite. You talk about how unfair it is to stereotype the political right, which is something I generally agree with, while simultaneously doing the exact same thing to the left. You're a big part of the problem you're pretending to care about.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;51808191]I wrote a long post, but I'll try to minimize it: The fact that we're looking at our side as the only one being self-critical and introspective shows a lot.[/QUOTE] I never said "our side" was the only one capable of the qualities of self-criticism and introspection. You literally just put those words in my mouth. I wouldn't even say I'm on your side given the posts I've seen you make in the past. I was strictly referring to online discussions. Compare the most popular left-leaning subreddit r/politics, a board which favored Sanders in the primary, Clinton in the general, then openly attacked Clinton and the Democrats after the race with r/t_d, a site that constantly recycles outright lies and bans dissent as a fundamental aspect of posting on the board. Look at Facepunch, where literally one person liked Clinton and basically every post about her from a leftist was essentially supporting her to spite Trump. Contrast this with Trump's support which sees no absolutely crack in the facade of blind obedient support. People will bend over backwards to defend the things he does. Clearly well-educated individuals will totally lose their grasp on logic or reason and start arguing against fundamental basics of statistics and arithmetic to explain why this poll or that poll isn't accurate. They will flagrantly tell us that x source is fake news, that y polls are fake news, then source positive news from Trump from x and y and tell us that this shows how open minded they are, because an institutions integrity hinges entirely on their support of Trump or not. I don't think these people are fundamentally incapable of self-criticism or objectively looking at "their side" and finding flaws in it but the contrast between the two is night and day. [QUOTE=wauterboi;51808191](a lot of words about things I never said or endorsed)...Because at the end of the day, there's been a lot of work done by the liberals to make people feel like genuine shit, and someone's gotta defend these people.[/QUOTE] Well first off I live in rural Florida. I have to talk to 20 people before I find my first Democrat. I've almost assuredly talked to more Trump supporters or conservatives in general than you think I have. Just to re-iterate, I never argued that people who belonged to that camp have a genetic predisposition to not being able to criticize their side or their candidate, and I think saying that because nominal liberals are mean to them that means I must carry their sins and crusade for the right is absurd. This idea that because a liberal in one thread called a Trump supporter (or a right winger) an asshole in another thread (and was undoubtedly already punished by the institutional power on FP) means that you have to fight for the right all the time is some simplified collectivist bullshit. Debate the ideas, not the people, but if you can't help yourself don't pool people like you are. [QUOTE=wauterboi;51808191]I'd actually argue that's why Trump has had the effectiveness in his campaigning - he saw the opportunity to lead the "deplorables".[/QUOTE] I'd argue that Trump's campaign wasn't as effective so much as Clinton's campaign was abominably ineffective but do agree that Clinton's deplorable line and lack of focus on the white working class hurt her and helped Trump. [QUOTE=wauterboi;51808191]As someone who speaks regularly with alt-right thinkers, libertarians, and conservatives regularly I can tell you that I no longer think it's an issue of conservatism or liberalism, but instead assholes. And both sides have a lot of assholes, and yet I think it's the left that quite often refuses to address the ever-growing militant behavior and the inability to look at the other side without seeing it as just a side. I recall seeing on here people referring to Trump supporters as cowards for not jumping in to defend Trump when it comes to certain issues, and while there's a lot to be said for that in itself, the biggest criticism I'd say is that the people who say stuff like this do not know Trump supporters and aren't making things better. They've reached their predetermined conclusion, and they are going to start immediately in offense mode.[/QUOTE] The idea that callouts are coming from people who don't know Trump supporters is fallacious on it's face. They clearly know Trump supporters, and are asking them why the thing they promised would happen when evangelizing their candidate in the face of Crooked Hillary either didn't come true or was the exact opposite of what they promised. You reap what you sow and while it can get obnoxious at times (and, I dunno if you have taken the time between your self-flagellation sessions to notice, but is a bannable offense even when the targets have already posted in the thread) it's typically a reasonable response and the fact that they are incapable of doing this in the face of overwhelming criticism about Clinton from the left makes the contrast all the more noticeable. [QUOTE=Tudd;51808966]Someone who really gets it here.[/QUOTE] His post simultaneously misrepresents my argument but in doing so totally reinforces my point, which is assisted by the fact that you agree with him. I tried to meet halfway with you because I genuinely support Trump on certain issues far more than what I'd argue is the general SH representation but you clearly have no interest in a genuine dialogue and mostly exist on FP to push a narrative involving deflecting all criticism of Trump and generalizing the left, going so far as to imply any critics of Trump as simply delusional without even having the common courtesy of responding to their arguments, instead inviting them to PM's and Discord where you can say one thing privately and another thing publicly. Now where have I heard that before?
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51809123] His post simultaneously misrepresents my argument but in doing so totally reinforces my point, which is assisted by the fact that you agree with him. I tried to meet halfway with you because I genuinely support Trump on certain issues far more than what I'd argue is the general SH representation but you clearly have no interest in a genuine dialogue and mostly exist on FP to push a narrative involving deflecting all criticism of Trump and generalizing the left, going so far as to imply any critics of Trump as simply delusional without even having the common courtesy of responding to their arguments, instead inviting them to PM's and Discord where you can say one thing privately and another thing publicly. Now where have I heard that before?[/QUOTE] What do I even say privately that is contrasted with what I say publicly? Am I secretly just bullshitting this whole time what I believe in? People on the PMs and Discord know I still hold the same views. It's just that it ignores the toxicity of bandwagoning that happens on SH. [editline]11th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51809016]Says the fellow who spends all day looking up scare articles about "[B]Violent Leftists![/B]" I want to be clear: I have no issues with the Conservative base. There are even several conservative policy points that I respect and support, primarily when it comes to economic policy. I largely agree with what Wauterboi is saying here, and I am not criticizing or stereotyping Conservatives as a generalized entity: I'm criticizing [I]you.[/I] You are a hypocrite. You talk about how unfair it is to stereotype the political right, which is something I generally agree with, while simultaneously doing the exact same thing to the left. You're a big part of the problem you're pretending to care about.[/QUOTE] So why don't you get so mad when people post similar threads of the most mundane anti-Trump pieces? Also it isn't generalizing when the real content and violence from the left happens so frequently and en masse. I am more than happy to have people argue about how it is a smaller part of the overall Leftist movement, but I think people just get really mad I even posted the content to begin with. Preferring to somehow ignore that it exists.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51804797]Okay. Good, I guess? Endorsing political violence, especially against innocents, is never justified. I won't stop you from pushing this silly agenda, Tudd, but do know that you're not changing anybody's minds about anything. Flooding the forums with articles about [B]Violent Leftists[/B] does not indicate any broader truth beyond the fact that there are some knuckleheaded individuals out there.[/QUOTE] I think the bigger question is, with his God Emperor in power, why does Tudd continue to push that the Left is [I][B]EEEEEVIL[/B][/I] and full of No-Good Commie Violent Scumbags? Staving off buyer's remorse, perhaps?
[QUOTE=Tudd;51808966]Someone who really gets it here.[/QUOTE] If you ever want to be taken seriously, you can start buy posting on threads about what trump is doing and debating. Just leave the safe space of these silly threads you make for once.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51809203]So why don't you get so mad when people post similar threads of the most mundane anti-Trump pieces? Also it isn't generalizing when the real content and violence from the left happens so frequently and en masse. I am more than happy to have people argue about how it is a smaller part of the overall Leftist movement, but I think people just get really mad I even posted the content to begin with. Preferring to somehow ignore that it exists.[/QUOTE] Nobody else is posting such irrelevant articles as you, or at least not with the same frequency. As many, many other people have already explained: posting articles critical of things that the president of the United States and his close advisers say or do is simply not comparable to your slew of articles about random nobodies acting thuggish. As I've repeatedly tried to communicate, your claim this is happening "en masse" currently has no legitimacy whatsoever. This is a country with 300m+ people in it: being able to find articles about individuals acting like fools on a semi-regular basis does not prove a broader trend. Find a legitimate study into the frequency of political violence in this election compared to previous cycles and we can have an honest discussion, especially if it in any way supports your narrative that the left is full of violent thugs who want to harm you. Until then, you're simply pushing propaganda to support an increasingly authoritarian regime. Trump really is the perfect representative for you. Honestly, this defense you're putting up only makes your little performance all that much more disappointing. Being unwilling or unable to directly and honestly engage criticism about your preferred candidate is one thing, but to "meet" that criticism by simply trying to distract and discredit your political opposition with such hollow propaganda as this? Get real, Tudd.
[QUOTE=Camdude90;51806693]statements made by the president versus statements made on facebook by an average citizen really makes ya think[/QUOTE] yeah but can we really have any more threads about Trump and how he shakes hands and stuff. average citizens count too or would you rather have a forum with only Trump statements?
Is it okay if I fucking hate both anti-left and anti-right "news" threads and the never ending argument about who has the "[i]correct[/i]" opinions?
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