New Jersey woman died while napping in between one of three jobs
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[QUOTE=Forumaster;45906971]Yeah, minimum wage should cover the [I]minimum[/I] you need to survive.
1. Rent
2. Electricity/Water/Utilities
3. Food that covers the food groups
4. Basic cell or landline phone service
5. Liability insurance and gas for your vehicle
I live in an area with a relatively low cost of living, and even then a minimum wage job barely covers rent and utilities.[/QUOTE]
Dude rent in NJ is horrendous. It's $1600 a month for a halfway decent place that isn't section 8. Most places minimum wage is like $1400/mo.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45907248]Since her death wasn't tied to her working three jobs in any way, wouldn't this be taking advantage of her death as a tool to talking about wage inequality?[/QUOTE]
guess thread is over then guys :v:, the emperor has spoken, lets us all simply say how horrible it is that this happened and nothing more.
well maybe we can talk about whatever creeper is a news bot or not.
[QUOTE=RAG Frag;45909801]Despite the actual cause the whole still highlights a lot of issues.
By the way is it common in America to keep a petrol can in your car, especially in a city? Just curious if her having an open one in the trunk is any indication of the amount of time she had during the day.[/QUOTE]
Its not really common, though if you have a problem with the gas gauge not reading right, one would carry some extra fuel just in case they ran out.
Not exactly smart to keep one that is missing a cap on it though.
Life's a bitch and then you die.
Well, that's what she gets for being lazy and not working hard enough. :downs:
Leaving a not-so-sealed container of gas in your car isn't a very good idea, and this is why. If a single company has an employee working 3 different stores with 3 different shifts there's a problem with that too, how is that crap possible or legal? Regardless, it's at least good to see people were able to donate and get her a real funeral service, but at the same time this could've been avoided in multiple different ways. Namely don't leave gas in your car, ever.
[QUOTE=DrDevil;45910972]Life's a bitch and then you die.[/QUOTE]
Fuck the world and go get high.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45907372]You said "could" three times.[/QUOTE]
And you claimed a fact without having proof. I'd say the moderate party in this has the upper hand.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45907248]Since her death wasn't tied to her working three jobs in any way, wouldn't this be taking advantage of her death as a tool to talking about wage inequality?[/QUOTE]
how many times have you had to sleep in a car in a parking lot because you're working three jobs
[QUOTE=Forumaster;45906971]Yeah, minimum wage should cover the [I]minimum[/I] you need to survive.
1. Rent
2. Electricity/Water/Utilities
3. Food that covers the food groups
4. Basic cell or landline phone service
5. Liability insurance and gas for your vehicle
I live in an area with a relatively low cost of living, and even then a minimum wage job barely covers rent and utilities.[/QUOTE]
I work for $11 an hour here, and it STILL feels like I'm working just so I can afford to drive back and forth to work.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;45915917]how many times have you had to sleep in a car in a parking lot because you're working three jobs[/QUOTE]
I haven't done it for that reason at all, but I have done it quite a bit for other reasons. Had a gas can spilled over and I had died from the fumes, would that be because of wage inequality as well?
Or would it be because I was a dumbass who put a container of gasoline in a car and took a nap????
There's nothing necessarily wrong with working three jobs.
What matters is for how long you work in each job and how hard that job is.
For example, you wouldn't say it's insane to work three jobs if your three jobs are three separate part time jobs each netting you 3 hours of work each weekday for a total of 9 hours qualifying you as working full time. However three jobs at 8 hours each would be insane.
Now while I do not doubt that she probably worked long hours in those jobs, as who naps in their car but people who don't have time to return home, you just can't assume that she's breaking her back just struggling to scrape by.
A quote from the article: "Instead they eulogized a woman who insisted on spending her money on others, who relished having a good time..."
If this is true, that she spent her money on other people, then chances are that she wasn't just working to scrape by, but working to have extra money that she could spend on others and on herself. There are no solid numbers to suggest that she was very generous with her money or that she simply bought a few things here and there.
The title is very misleading as others have pointed out, as it leads you to believe that she died from exhaustion from working three jobs when really she died from inhaling fumes.
The reason why I point these things out, is because some people were talking about poverty and I don't think poverty is necessarily relevant in this particular instance.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45915980]I haven't done it for that reason at all, but I have done it quite a bit for other reasons. Had a gas can spilled over and I had died from the fumes, would that be because of wage inequality as well?
Or would it be because I was a dumbass who put a container of gasoline in a car and took a nap????[/QUOTE]
Obviously your hypothetical death wouldn't be because of wage inequality in those scenarios, because, as you said, you didn't sleep in your car because you were working three jobs.
Seeing all the dumbs some of my posts are getting, I should say that it's not like I'm against speaking about wage inequality or I don't think many people have it pretty bad. I just don't think someone's death should be taken advantage of to promote an issue (good or bad) when the death had no tie to said cause.
Threads like this make USA look like a failed state
lol
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;45916366]Obviously your hypothetical death wouldn't be because of wage inequality in those scenarios, because, as you said, you didn't sleep in your car because you were working three jobs.[/QUOTE]
So if she was at a movie theater and decided to nap between movies and died from a spilled gas can, would her death be due to her going see more than one movie????
You can try to spin it all you want. Her working 3 jobs didn't kill her. It didn't force her to put a gas can in her car unsecured in an unsafe manner.
[QUOTE=OrDnAs;45916839]Threads like this make USA look like a failed state
lol[/QUOTE]
Could you show me which countries [I]don't[/I] have poverty?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45917306]Could you show me which countries [I]don't[/I] have poverty?[/QUOTE]
There are many countries with less wealth disparity than the USA. I can't tell if you're intentionally missing the point or if you really don't understand these concepts.
Don't forget that internet is a basic human right too in some european countries.
[QUOTE=Forumaster;45906971]Yeah, minimum wage should cover the [I]minimum[/I] you need to survive.
1. Rent
2. Electricity/Water/Utilities
3. Food that covers the food groups
4. Basic cell or landline phone service
5. Liability insurance and gas for your vehicle
I live in an area with a relatively low cost of living, and even then a minimum wage job barely covers rent and utilities.[/QUOTE]
But then the Republicans and Libertarians will scream "bu...bu...but then they will get lazy!" or "then everything will be expensive!" even though the evidence that they are plainly fucking wrong is [I]right across the pond[/I] yet all they will do is stick their fingers in their ears and pretend not to hear you.
Archaic shitheads like that are what hold this country back while the rest of the world overtakes us.
Ya the republican views on social safety nets is attrocious and more accurately, it goes against my christian morals. Charity can only do so much but providing a government assistance to supplement people when shit is hard is the right thing to do both morally and historically. Still the generation of voters in power right now feel otherwise even though statistically speaking they should have benefited more from those very nets by now than any generation previously
[editline]7th September 2014[/editline]
It gets publicised too much when stupid people abuse them, for every one dumbass bragging about taking uncle Sam's cash, there's a hundred legitimately needing that cash to stay afloat
i mean my father is super opposed to unemployment and welfare but as of the recession, he's been on and off of unemployment more than anyone else in our family but that still hasn't shaken his views of the system
Imagine stopping at a dunkin' donuts in the morning on the way to work, to get some coffee, and there's a lady working at the cash register
Then you and a friend from work go to a different dunkin' donuts in the afternoon during your coffee break, because the coffee machine at your office broke, and there's the same lady again
Then in the evening you're at a friend's house in a different part of town, and you and your friends decide to go buy a box of donuts for your movie night. So you go to the nearest dunkin' donuts. Same lady.
spooky
[QUOTE=Forumaster;45906971]Yeah, minimum wage should cover the [I]minimum[/I] you need to survive.
1. Rent
2. Water
3. Food that covers the food groups
4. Basic cell or landline phone service
5. Liability insurance and gas for your vehicle
I live in an area with a relatively low cost of living, and even then a minimum wage job barely covers rent and utilities.[/QUOTE]
None of those of those things you have outlined as minimum survival necessities (cell phone service is not a necessity, it is a luxury) have flat, consistent prices across the United States or even within their own state (in the case of landlines, water, food, rent, and gas).
That's a nice cozy dream you have but that is all it is.
[QUOTE=Axznma;45920476]None of those of those things you have outlined as minimum survival necessities (cell phone service is not a necessity, it is a luxury) have flat, consistent prices across the United States or even within their own state (in the case of landlines, water, food, rent, and gas).
That's a nice cozy dream you have but that is all it is.[/QUOTE]
I would think that being able to be reachable at all times AND being able to call 911 anywhere and anytime is a necessity. You can get a $20 prepaid shit phone just about anywhere now and it's usually like $10 a month to keep it activated.
And no, they don't have consistent prices. But states and city governments are allowed to institute their own minimum wage laws as long as they're not lower than the federal minimum.
[QUOTE=Forumaster;45920756]I would think that being able to be reachable at all times AND being able to call 911 anywhere and anytime is a necessity.[/QUOTE]
It's not necessary- it's a luxury. Same as having a car and paying for gas.
As for rent- some areas of the country have cheap rent. Many areas also have subsidized apartments. And there's always roommates- having just one cuts your rent/ utilities in half.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;45915917]how many times have you had to sleep in a car in a parking lot because you're working three jobs[/QUOTE]
How many times have you had a nap in the car because there's spilt gas in the car releasing fumes?
One of the side effects of gasoline poisoning is [URL="http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002806.htm"]drowsiness[/URL]. Compounded with her having finished work and being on her way home she could have thought she was just more tired than normal, etc.
[QUOTE=H8Entitlement;45920916]It's not necessary- it's a luxury. Same as having a car and paying for gas.
As for rent- some areas of the country have cheap rent. Many areas also have subsidized apartments. And there's always roommates- having just one cuts your rent/ utilities in half.[/QUOTE]
If you think 911 access isn't a necessity I hope you live in a hospital.
[QUOTE=Forumaster;45921112]If you think 911 access isn't a necessity I hope you live in a hospital.[/QUOTE]
Try calling 911 from a deactivated phone....
Pro tip- it's the only number that will work if the phone isn't activated
[QUOTE=Axznma;45920476]None of those of those things you have outlined as minimum survival necessities (cell phone service is not a necessity, it is a luxury) have flat, consistent prices across the United States or even within their own state (in the case of landlines, water, food, rent, and gas).
That's a nice cozy dream you have but that is all it is.[/QUOTE]
Why shouldn't a job be able to cover these things in a modern society? If you have a job you should be able to earn enough to cover these things - which are basically standard and required in today's society - and not have to live in poverty. If by working you can't even cover travel expenses, living costs and a device for communication, there's seriously something wrong with the system and a dramatic restructure should be implemented to allow these people a basic standard of living.
Heck, even if you don't have a job you should be able to afford these things. America really needs to catch up with the rest of the world in this respect.
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