Officer shoots teen who charges with knife - Polidicks

Stupid kid, you shouldn't mess with cops. But uhh.. I wouldn't see a knife-wielding teenager as a threat if I was a cop holding a gun out. Like in this case, even one shot would've been sufficient to bring the dumbass kid down. And apparently he fired two shots, must hurt like hell.

[QUOTE=Falchion;32711099]If you get hit by a tazer you will instantly convulse and lose control unless you are some kind of a superman (which I doubt the teen was). It's not like it doesn't instantly stop you.[/QUOTE]And if one of the prongs miss then somebody is going to get stabbed.

[QUOTE=GunFox;32706995]it may be a few seconds or even minutes before the guy really goes down.[/QUOTE] Which wouldn't happen with .45ACP which i am still mad about most countries abandoning. Although i respect that it IS quite an OP round for everyday usage, It drops all known scum. Down. [editline]10th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Gekkosan;32711251] But uhh.. I wouldn't see a knife-wielding teenager as a threat if I was a cop holding a gun out. Like in this case, even one shot would've been sufficient to bring the dumbass kid down. And apparently he fired two shots, must hurt like hell.[/QUOTE] Even a toddler with a knife is still a person with a damn knife. It's just amazing he didn't unload his whole clip into the guy's nuts, as is common with police officers due to [I]#Heaaaaat Of the moooment#[/I] Decision, Which nobody can blame them for, If someone was charging me with a knife i'd unload all my ammo into his face. [editline]10th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mingebox;32707758]No sometimes, you stagger, lurch forward, stagger again, fall on your knees, fall down completely, briefly struggle up while futilly wielding knife, and than collapse.[/QUOTE] Taking 2 9mm's to the chest is not a game of "Mash X To Not Die".

Seems like a failed attempt at suicide by cop to me. There was no logical reason for him to do that, he was in the mindset to think what he was doing before he did it. (his fidgeting with the knife) [B]Edited:[/B] Two people beat me to it, oh well.

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;32711383]Even a toddler with a knife is still a person with a damn knife. It's just amazing he didn't unload his whole clip into the guy's nuts, as is common with police officers due to [I]#Heaaaaat Of the moooment#[/I] Decision, Which nobody can blame them for, If someone was charging me with a knife i'd unload all my ammo into his face.[/QUOTE] -

[QUOTE=Gekkosan;32711600]Yeah I can definitely understand that, but I would just laugh at the teenager for his stupidity coming at me with a knife if I had a gun pointed at him. "Please, don't make me knee-cap you. Just chill the fuck out and lemme slap these suckers on your wrists and we'll talk at the station." or something. I mean I wouldn't want to blow some teenager's brains out for simply being a little reckless and stupid with a knife, not that much of a threat when you are pointing a gun at him. Though if someone even reached out for a gun, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot. But a dumbass knife wielding kid? Come on.[/QUOTE] You are literally retarded if you think a teenager charging someone with a knife isn't a threat. The 21 feet rule/theory came about for a reason - cops getting stabbed. Carrying a pistol isn't a magical tool that automatically saves your life, and people in real life don't tend to just die instantly when they are shot like they do in a movie.

[QUOTE=GoldenDargon;32708514]Thing i'm wondering is when you want to stab someone you usually go for the chest/stomach, and seeing as the cop was likely wearing a bulletproof vest the kid stabbing him in the chest woudn't have done shit to the cop.[/QUOTE] bullet proof vests aren't optimal for cutting. not something i'd trust. Also, no guarantees he wouldn't just cut at your throat, eyes, or extremities.

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[QUOTE=Gekkosan;32712327]I never said people just instantly die when they are shot. Unless they are shot critically in the heart/lungs/head. That wasn't my point either. And so, you think a teenager with a knife is a threat when you are pointing a gun at him at semi-close range? Huh.. Yeah the kid's in danger that's for sure. The cop? Not so much. Not in this case anyway. Anyway I'm just saying that if I was the cop pointing a gun at the crazed knife-wielding teenager, I'd just say "Don't try anything funny, or I will shoot you, and it will hurt. Your choice."[/QUOTE] The kid clearly saw the officer had a gun and he still charged him. If you're saying you would try to talk him down even as you're about to get stabbed (and if you watched the video you'd see how close the kid was) then you're pretty stupid.

[QUOTE=Gekkosan;32712327]I never said people just instantly die when they are shot. Unless they are shot critically in the heart/lungs/head. That wasn't my point either. [B]And so, you think a teenager with a knife is a threat when you are pointing a gun at him at semi-close range?[/B] Huh.. Yeah the kid's in danger that's for sure. The cop? Not so much. Not in this case anyway. Anyway I'm just saying that if I was the cop pointing a gun at the crazed knife-wielding teenager, I'd just say "Don't try anything funny, or I will shoot you, and it will hurt. Your choice."[/QUOTE] Yes, I do. Because I'm not retarded. You keep using the word "teenager" like it makes him less of a threat or something.

[QUOTE=Gekkosan;32712327]I never said people just instantly die when they are shot. Unless they are shot critically in the heart/lungs/head. That wasn't my point either. And so, you think a teenager with a knife is a threat when you are pointing a gun at him at semi-close range? Huh.. Yeah the kid's in danger that's for sure. The cop? Not so much. Not in this case anyway. Anyway I'm just saying that if I was the cop pointing a gun at the crazed knife-wielding teenager, I'd just say "Don't try anything funny, or I will shoot you, and it will hurt. Your choice."[/QUOTE] You are fucking insane or you have lived a sheltered life if that's what you think would work.

[QUOTE=Zambies!;32706546]I can't say I feel bad for the man that was shot. But he obviously has severe mental disturbances.[/QUOTE] Stupid is certainly a mental issue, but it's not an illness, else the human race would have been extinct a while ago.

[QUOTE=Gekkosan;32712327]I never said people just instantly die when they are shot. Unless they are shot critically in the heart/lungs/head. That wasn't my point either. And so, you think a teenager with a knife is a threat when you are pointing a gun at him at semi-close range? Huh.. Yeah the kid's in danger that's for sure. The cop? Not so much. Not in this case anyway. Anyway I'm just saying that if I was the cop pointing a gun at the crazed knife-wielding teenager, I'd just say "Don't try anything funny, or I will shoot you, and it will hurt. Your choice."[/QUOTE]Yeah I'm sure you'd say that while he's in the middle of charging you with a knife.

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;32711383]Which wouldn't happen with .45ACP which i am still mad about most countries abandoning. Although i respect that it IS quite an OP round for everyday usage, It drops all known scum. Down. [/QUOTE] I thought the 45 couldn't even penetrate a deck of cards. There was that one video of that guy dissing the 9mm and 45 somewhere.

[QUOTE=GoldenDargon;32708514]Thing i'm wondering is when you want to stab someone you usually go for the chest/stomach, and seeing as the cop was likely wearing a bulletproof vest the kid stabbing him in the chest woudn't have done shit to the cop.[/QUOTE] This is a common misconception. The design necessary to create a bulletproof vest is very different than one needed to create a stabproof vest. We are talking police issue fabric based vests, not military ballistic plate carriers. Ceramic plates and titanium inserts are obviously going to be at least somewhat effective at stopping a blade. Imagine a bulletproof vest as a net designed to catch bullets. A net is very effective at catching blunt objects, even if they are moving at a high velocity, but the instant you decide to thrust a high velocity SHARP object at said net, it is is going to have some problems. The same idea applies to vests. Bullets crush their way through flesh and fabric in order to cause damage, generally mushrooming in the process to chew up more surface area. A knife applies ALL of its force to a veeeery tiny spot and relies on cutting through fabric and flesh in order to damage. A knife also has the benefit of an arm behind it, resulting in a much higher PSI than you would get with a bullet. So no, you go after an officer with a knife and it is likely going to go straight through that vest in the United States. In the UK, they generally wear stabproof vests, which are shit at stopping bullets, but stop blades quite well. American prison guards wear them as well, for obvious reasons. YOU CAN design a vest to do both, but you either sacrifice the effectiveness in both categories, or you make a really uncomfortable vest. [editline]10th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ZestyLemons;32714400]I thought the 45 couldn't even penetrate a deck of cards. There was that one video of that guy dissing the 9mm and 45 somewhere.[/QUOTE] .45 will cut straight through a deck of cards. .45 ACP doesn't have the same penetration as some of the other calibers, but as an officer you only ever need to shoot through a car door. Something .45 ACP will not only do, but it will take bits and pieces of the car door and turn them into projectiles as well: [url]http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/buickot3.htm[/url] It will not, however, generally over penetrate and exit the far side of the vehicle. Which, for a police officer, seems like a plus to me.

this is stupid

[QUOTE=Mlisen14;32707510]A kid who went to my school ran at a police officer with two knives and was summarily shot seven times. Being that he was 14 there was a bigger controversy about it.[/QUOTE] I remember this story actually, you're talking about the one from Australia right? [editline]10th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Gekkosan;32715084]God I wouldn't wanna talk to the guy jesus, I just wouldn't want to shoot him EVEN if he had a knife unless HE forced me to it. "HEY DUMBASS KID, DROP THE KNIFE OR I WILL KNEE-CAP YOU STUPID FUCK! NOW PUT IT DOWN!" "-no i will charge at u hurrdurr im a ninja" *BANG* "Stupid motherfucker.."[/QUOTE] You talk like real life is an action movie and you're the super badass cop. Real life situations don't work that way

[QUOTE=Gekkosan;32715084]God I wouldn't wanna talk to the guy jesus, I just wouldn't want to shoot him EVEN if he had a knife unless HE forced me to it. "HEY DUMBASS KID, DROP THE KNIFE OR I WILL KNEE-CAP YOU STUPID FUCK! NOW PUT IT DOWN!" "-no i will charge at u hurrdurr im a ninja" *BANG* "Stupid motherfucker.."[/QUOTE] You're 12 aren't you

[QUOTE=Gekkosan;32712327]I never said people just instantly die when they are shot. Unless they are shot critically in the heart/lungs/head. That wasn't my point either.[/QUOTE] You're a goddamn moron, Any gunshot wound is inevitably fatal without treatment, Plenty of people have sustained shots to say, the hand, and died from the subsequent bloodloss. Bullet wounds aren't like a game of COD. You're obviously an "Armchair Badass" who has lived such a dull life they think that the real world acts like SWAT 4 or some shit. [QUOTE=Gekkosan;32712327] And so, you think a teenager with a knife is a threat when you are pointing a gun at him at semi-close range? Huh.. Yeah the kid's in danger that's for sure. The cop? Not so much. Not in this case anyway.[/quote] You're seriously dumb. Really. Anyone with any weapon is a threat. A bald rheumatic man with a big blue dildo wielding it as a weapon is still a threat. He could easily bonk someone into unconciousness/choke them with it. [quote]Anyway I'm just saying that if I was the cop pointing a gun at the crazed knife-wielding teenager, I'd just say "Don't try anything funny, or I will shoot you, and it will hurt. Your choice."[/QUOTE] OH NOOO! A GUNSHOT WOUND WILL HURT! GASP!. You realize the teenager was trying to get shot? He wanted the cop to shoot him multiple times. The thread is all about how he managed to avoid shooting him 16 times and instead shot him twice. [QUOTE=ZestyLemons;32714400]I thought the 45 couldn't even penetrate a deck of cards. There was that one video of that guy dissing the 9mm and 45 somewhere.[/QUOTE] Yeah uh.. That's bullshit. the 9mm can penetrate kevlar with fewer shots than .45, And the .45 has low armor penetration, But the .45 will break ribs quicker. It has much more concussive force. [QUOTE=Gekkosan;32715084]God I wouldn't wanna talk to the guy jesus, I just wouldn't want to shoot him EVEN if he had a knife unless HE forced me to it. "HEY DUMBASS KID, DROP THE KNIFE OR I WILL KNEE-CAP YOU STUPID FUCK! NOW PUT IT DOWN!" "-no i will charge at u hurrdurr im a ninja" *BANG* "Stupid motherfucker.."[/QUOTE] Jesus christ you are thicker than a cinderblock. Really. I hope you're never allowed to handle firearms. [editline]10th October 2011[/editline] fuck that was a big post

I can't believe how everytime there is a knife incident, SOMEONE screams about the police should have used the taser. No. The X26 has roughly a ~25ft or so range on the barbs, just a mere step beyond the 21 foot rule. Knives are not to be played around with. Knives are deadly force and can inflict much more damage than a gunshot wound. You bring a knife to a gunfight you pay the price like this moron did. And I am glad that someone posted about traditional vests and knives. Regardless, even if your vest did stop a knife blow you still have other exposed regions that you do not want stabbed or slashed. This was a good shoot. The suspect brought this upon himself and had numerous chances to drop his weapon. Less lethal was about to be deployed and HE, the SUSPECT, turned it into a lethal force scenario, not the police. There is a video somewhere, not sure where it was filmed at, which shows what happens when you dick off with a guy wielding a knife. It did not end well for those officers. (One of the officers even had a damn AK.)

[QUOTE=Gekkosan;32712327]Anyway I'm just saying that if I was the cop pointing a gun at the crazed knife-wielding teenager, I'd just say "Don't try anything funny, or I will shoot you, and it will hurt. Your choice."[/QUOTE] And how exactly would you find the time to do this when someone's charging at you with a knife? You're in an extremely intense life threatening situation that takes about 5 seconds to play out, not a fantasy world where the moron with the knife is going to stop and think about his actions and realize "hey, maybe this isn't such a good idea after all!".

This may be a surprise to some people on here but, police officer [U]do not[/U] want to shoot someone. More cops retire/find new work after being involved in an OIS. Why? Because you shot someone (which, for your egos demise -- is very emotionally challenging to do). This is also the reason why police officers drink more then any other person.

Pretty clear-cut self defense.

Stupid CoD fanboys.

[QUOTE=Greenen72;32707538]Surprised nobody's called the cop a fascist pig yet[/QUOTE] I think JDK's working his way there.

The police were justified in their self-defense. It sounds like the kid was making a deadly charge with a weapon, and that is grounds for this kind of action.

[QUOTE=GoldenDargon;32706536]Running at a cop with a knife never ends well, and this just proves that.[/QUOTE] I guess the kid played too much counter strike, you know running with knife makes you run faster.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;32706596]this was the dumbest shit. He charged the guy, why the fuck? He was almost sure to be shot.[/QUOTE] "Haha I bet he isn't actually going to sho-" ... "MOMMY"

[QUOTE=Noble;32716072]And how exactly would you find the time to do this when someone's charging at you with a knife? You're in an extremely intense life threatening situation that takes about 5 seconds to play out, not a fantasy world where the moron with the knife is going to stop and think about his actions and realize "hey, maybe this isn't such a good idea after all!".[/QUOTE] Yes well, the moment the attacker comes at you charging, feel free to shoot him. Your trigger finger wired to your brain is a bit faster than 5 seconds. So if you can't seem to find enough time to reason with the attacker, just shoot. Didn't really came in here to argue about.. that. late-edit, how did I ever become so entrenched in a stupid argument.

It's nice to see something like this about police in the media, instead of another case of an officer assaulting a mentally handicapped person or the like. All police officers aren't assholes and it's good to see it shown from time to time.