[QUOTE=Drsalvador;32728856]Far right is .50BMG, used in the Browning M2 and Barrett M82 Sniper, A single hit from that will chunkify you regardless of your armor or status. It will REALLY ruin your fucking day. A shot to a limb would either turn it into pulled pork or remove it entirely.
[editline]11th October 2011[/editline]
What's a Browning M2, you ask?
[img]http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/mg/M2/M2HB_9.jpg[/img]
This motherfucker.[/QUOTE]
A fun fact that stuck with me, but is essentially useless information for everybody who will be reading it:
A .50BMG round is propelled with such force that the shockwave alone can dismember or maim any unlucky dude who happens to be within six inches of its flight path.
There was a training accident the cycle before my mine at basic involving an M2. The weapon hadn't been cleared properly at the range, and when the soldiers took it back to the drill pad to clean it, one of them sat in front of it and let the bolt slide home. The weapon discharged, destroyed the front plate of his ballistic armor, blew him in half, exited the rear plate of his armor, took off the arm of the guy sitting behind him, flew for another three hundred yards, and blew out the engine block of a car.
Those things are basically cannon rounds.
This is pretty much entirely unrelated to the story at hand. I just think it's an interesting tale, and I like to tell it sometimes.
<:o)
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;32739829]There was a training accident the cycle before my mine at basic involving an M2. The weapon hadn't been cleared properly at the range, and when the soldiers took it back to the drill pad to clean it, one of them sat in front of it and let the bolt slide home. The weapon discharged, destroyed the front plate of his ballistic armor, blew him in half, exited the rear plate of his armor, took off the arm of the guy sitting behind him, flew for another three hundred yards, and blew out the engine block of a car.[/QUOTE]
That's...
Ow.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;32739829]A fun fact that stuck with me, but is essentially useless information for everybody who will be reading it:
A .50BMG round is propelled with such force[B] that the shockwave alone can [/B]dismember or maim any unlucky dude who happens to be within six inches of its flight path.[/QUOTE]
That is a fucking myth. If it were true, then any round with a remotely similar velocity would do the same.
[url]http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9741919888/m/4041982359[/url]
Bullshit spreads in the Army too, don't forget heh
[QUOTE=J!NX;32729311]Make a spear with a long stick, lots of tape, and a knife, then throw at the cop
GO OUT WITH STYLE[/QUOTE]
Lots of tape? A knife? That's just stupid.
REAL self-made spears are the way to go.
Kid probably thought he was a ninja and could dodge a bullet.
That's why the cop shot twice.
[QUOTE=JDK721;32707381]wrong[/QUOTE]
No, he's right.
[QUOTE=Face Melter;32707033]i can take twelve before my knees even bend[/QUOTE]
What if your knees get shot?
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;32740490]That is a fucking myth. If it were true, then any round with a remotely similar velocity would do the same.
[url]http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9741919888/m/4041982359[/url]
Bullshit spreads in the Army too, don't forget heh[/QUOTE]
Oh, good to know. I was just relaying what the drill sergeants told us; it's not like I've ever seen anybody get shot in-person. Thanks for clearing that up.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;32739829]A fun fact that stuck with me, but is essentially useless information for everybody who will be reading it:
A .50BMG round is propelled with such force that the shockwave alone can dismember or maim any unlucky dude who happens to be within six inches of its flight path.
There was a training accident the cycle before my mine at basic involving an M2. The weapon hadn't been cleared properly at the range, and when the soldiers took it back to the drill pad to clean it, one of them sat in front of it and let the bolt slide home. The weapon discharged, destroyed the front plate of his ballistic armor, blew him in half, exited the rear plate of his armor, took off the arm of the guy sitting behind him, flew for another three hundred yards, and blew out the engine block of a car.
Those things are basically cannon rounds.
This is pretty much entirely unrelated to the story at hand. I just think it's an interesting tale, and I like to tell it sometimes.
<:o)[/QUOTE]
And that, children, Is why it's called the Ma Deuce.
[I][B]Because she always has the last word.[/B][/I]
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;32739829]A fun fact that stuck with me, but is essentially useless information for everybody who will be reading it:
A .50BMG round is propelled with such force that the shockwave alone can dismember or maim any unlucky dude who happens to be within six inches of its flight path.
There was a training accident the cycle before my mine at basic involving an M2. The weapon hadn't been cleared properly at the range, and when the soldiers took it back to the drill pad to clean it, one of them sat in front of it and let the bolt slide home. The weapon discharged, destroyed the front plate of his ballistic armor, blew him in half, exited the rear plate of his armor, took off the arm of the guy sitting behind him, flew for another three hundred yards, and blew out the engine block of a car.
Those things are basically cannon rounds.
This is pretty much entirely unrelated to the story at hand. I just think it's an interesting tale, and I like to tell it sometimes.
<:o)[/QUOTE]
And that, my friends, is why you always, Always, ALWAYS clear your weapon when you're done shooting.
And you never ever point the barrel at anything you don't intend to destroy, even if you're 100% it's unloaded, Even if the gun is dismantled.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;32739829]A fun fact that stuck with me, but is essentially useless information for everybody who will be reading it:
A .50BMG round is propelled with such force that the shockwave alone can dismember or maim any unlucky dude who happens to be within six inches of its flight path.
There was a training accident the cycle before my mine at basic involving an M2. The weapon hadn't been cleared properly at the range, and when the soldiers took it back to the drill pad to clean it, one of them sat in front of it and let the bolt slide home. The weapon discharged, destroyed the front plate of his ballistic armor, blew him in half, exited the rear plate of his armor, took off the arm of the guy sitting behind him, flew for another three hundred yards, and blew out the engine block of a car.
Those things are basically cannon rounds.
This is pretty much entirely unrelated to the story at hand. I just think it's an interesting tale, and I like to tell it sometimes.
<:o)[/QUOTE]
They myth of the near miss with .50's was already pointed out, but I am more curious as to who the hell sits down to clean a .50 at basic training while wearing a ballistic plate carrier + plates.
Not to mention the M2 fires from a closed bolt. If the bolt was open, that means it would need to still have a belt of ammunition in the side in order to chamber a fresh round. Of course that wouldn't discharge the round either. The only scenario that makes sense is that the M2 had the bolt closed and a round chambered. But then someone would have to push the trigger, which is almost physically impossible to reach if you are in front of the thing. So a guy would have to sit down and pull the trigger on a guy on the other side of the gun. This story doesn't really hold water too well either.
[QUOTE=GunFox;32746015]They myth of the near miss with .50's was already pointed out, but I am more curious as to who the hell sits down to clean a .50 at basic training while wearing a ballistic plate carrier + plates.
Not to mention the M2 fires from a closed bolt. If the bolt was open, that means it would need to still have a belt of ammunition in the side in order to chamber a fresh round. Of course that wouldn't discharge the round either. The only scenario that makes sense is that the M2 had the bolt closed and a round chambered. But then someone would have to push the trigger, which is almost physically impossible to reach if you are in front of the thing. So a guy would have to sit down and pull the trigger on a guy on the other side of the gun. This story doesn't really hold water too well either.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.martinsvillebulletin.com/article.cfm?ID=10957[/url]
I got curious, so I looked it up to see how much of the story was factual. It would appear the details of the story were exaggerated somewhat by my drill sergeants (go figure)! According to the story, he was sitting in front of the weapon while it was being loaded, and it discharged, killing him. The story makes no mention of any other injuries, so they probably threw in the "lost arm" soldier to embellish it a bit. All the sources I can find on this story give pretty similar reports of what happened. The drill sergeants probably fudged the details a bit to spook us into always properly clearing our weapons.
Makes me wonder how much creative license they took with the rest of their stories! I took most of their cautionary tales at face value, but I suppose it makes sense that they'd exaggerate them.
Good.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];32747778']Good.[/QUOTE]
Justified. Not good that anyone got shot. Justified.
[QUOTE=Cone;32748049]Justified. Not good that anyone got shot. Justified.[/QUOTE]
I think its good for him to be shot.
[QUOTE=areolop;32748091]I think its good for him to be shot.[/QUOTE]
Why? Do you not think it would have been great if the kid dropped the knife and everything went down peacefully?
I mean, it's good that he's alive as well as the cop, but anyone getting hurt for any reason is a bad thing. It's just that, in this case, nothing any worse happened than the teen being wounded.
[QUOTE=Cone;32748138]Why? Do you not think it would have been great if the kid dropped the knife and everything went down peacefully?
I mean, it's good that he's alive as well as the cop, but anyone getting hurt for any reason is a bad thing. It's just that, in this case, nothing any worse happened than the teen being wounded.[/QUOTE]
In case you did not watch the video in the source.. the suspect charged the officer. I, being a future officer, will not stand there. I will discharge my weapon into someone if they come at me with a knife at short range.
[QUOTE=areolop;32748343]In case you did not watch the video in the source.. the suspect charged the officer. I, being a future officer, will not stand there. I will discharge my weapon into someone if they come at me with a knife at short range.[/QUOTE]
And...? That's the situation, I was lamenting that it was a shame that it unfolded like that, but it was good no-one was too badly injured.
I was not saying what the officer did was unjustified, and if I were in the same situation I would have most likely done the same thing. However, I do believe that anyone being hurt is a bad thing. This is not exclusive to the kid; I would have been just as saddened had the officer been wounded.
[QUOTE=areolop;32748343]In case you did not watch the video in the source.. the suspect charged the officer. I, being a future officer, will not stand there. I will discharge my weapon into someone if they come at me with a knife at short range.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=areolop;32748091]I think its good for him to be shot.[/QUOTE]
This is not the mindset of a good police officer. Any time someone is shot, you have failed at your job.
You shoot as a last ditch effort to prevent loss of innocent life. You should never be happy about it.
[QUOTE=GunFox;32749005]This is not the mindset of a good police officer. Any time someone is shot, you have failed at your job.
You shoot as a last ditch effort to prevent loss of innocent life. You should never be happy about it.[/QUOTE]
Within context. It was good for him to be shot.
[QUOTE=areolop;32749093]Within context. It was good for him to be shot.[/QUOTE]
Please don't become a police officer.
Theres a poster in one of the training rooms of our barracks in Renmore of how fucking around with .50 ammunition can fuck you up, it even has a picture of some lad with half his hand blown off, when I'm in that room all I do is look at that damn poster and wonder what sick fuck took a picture of that when it happened.
[QUOTE=areolop;32749093]Within context. It was good for him to be shot.[/QUOTE]
No, it was good nobody died. If there was a way for the kid to be stopped without any violence, are you seriously telling me you wouldn't have done it?
[QUOTE=Cone;32749454]No, it was good nobody died. If there was a way for the kid to be stopped without any violence, are you seriously telling me you wouldn't have done it?[/QUOTE]
There was no way to stop without action. It already happened so, the 'what if' game is irrelevant. All officers dont want violence but, when this happens [Video] you got to think of the fight or flight mental status.
The officer acted properly since there was no more outs with the suspect.
[QUOTE=areolop;32749509]There was no way to stop without action. It already happened so, the 'what if' game is irrelevant. All officers dont want violence but, when this happens [Video] you got to think of the fight or flight mental status.
The officer acted properly since there was no more outs with the suspect.[/QUOTE]
I don't like the way you say "It's good he was shot" when it would seem nobody getting shot would have been preferable. Makes it seem like you're all for dispraportionate retribution when it would have been better if nobody was hurt.
I'm not saying that would have been possible, just that we shouldn't take pride in people being hurt, injured, or killed, ever. Especially not if someone's meant to carry a gun and protect people.
[QUOTE=areolop;32749509]There was no way to stop without action. It already happened so, the 'what if' game is irrelevant. All officers dont want violence but, when this happens [Video] you got to think of the fight or flight mental status.
The officer acted properly since there was no more outs with the suspect.[/QUOTE]
He did act properly, but it isn't a good thing someone got killed.
[QUOTE=Cone;32749590]
I'm not saying that would have been possible, just that we shouldn't take pride in people being hurt, injured, or killed, ever. Especially not if someone's meant to carry a gun and protect people.[/QUOTE]
Like I said before, [U]there was no way that the suspect would be able to get out of that situation without being hurt. He [the suspect] made his own wounds by endangering the officer's life. [/U]They carry that gun for their protection, and the protection of others. In this case, it was the officers protection.
[editline]12th October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32749666]He did act properly, but it isn't a good thing someone got killed.[/QUOTE]
Suspect wasnt killed.
[QUOTE=areolop;32749671]Like I said before, [U]there was no way that the suspect would be able to get out of that situation without being hurt. He [the suspect] made his own wounds by endangering the officer's life. [/U]They carry that gun for their protection, and the protection of others. In this case, it was the officers protection.
[editline]12th October 2011[/editline]
Suspect wasnt killed.[/QUOTE]
But what I'm getting at is, you said it was good the suspect was shot. It is not good that he was injured, but it is that he was stopped. What I am saying is, if it's specifically him being shot that you thought was good, well...
Unless it isn't and you just worded it poorly. But it's never good to have someone harmed, though the officer's actions were understandable and did not pertain to any lapse in judgement. I am merely pointing out that people being shot or otherwise harmed is not a good thing.
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