Business owner attacked after comments on transgender bathroom controversy - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50112633]Just sidestep all this argumentation and make all public restrooms unisex. Get rid of urinals and install stalls instead.[/QUOTE] But urinals serve a purpose, they're there for a reason.

[QUOTE=phygon;50112704]But urinals serve a purpose, they're there for a reason.[/QUOTE] Install them (or a trough) behind a partition then.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50112633]Just sidestep all this argumentation and make all public restrooms unisex. Get rid of urinals and install stalls instead.[/QUOTE] [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1512303]Unisex bathrooms won't fix shit.[/url]

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50112750][url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1512303]Unisex bathrooms won't fix shit.[/url][/QUOTE] I don't see how this is relevant? Seperate restrooms don't magically prevent rapists from raping people. The fact that it was a single occupancy restroom illustrates that point. Making that restroom gendered would not have changed the situation.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50112759]I don't see how this is relevant? Seperate restrooms don't magically prevent rapists from raping people.[/QUOTE] Neither do unisex bathrooms, is the point. Stop acting like switching all bathrooms to unisex will prevent problems at all.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50112759]I don't see how this is relevant? Seperate restrooms don't magically prevent rapists from raping people.[/QUOTE] Not to mention, a Unisex bathroom would be more likely to harbor a larger population making it more prone to a bystander catching wind of this.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50112775]Neither do unisex bathrooms, is the point. Stop acting like switching all bathrooms to unisex will prevent problems at all.[/QUOTE] What problems, exactly, are we talking about? If it is the problem about people arguing on which restrooms Transgender people should use then yes, it will solve that "problem." If you are concerned about sexual assaults in restrooms then it will not solve them, no, but I was never making that argument to begin with-- besides which the switch also won't make this particular issue any worse. As an additional benefit to unisex restrooms, they're more space efficient and cost effectibe due to less need of redundancy in restroom equipment, building materials, allocated floor space, etc. There's no real downside to unisex restrooms other than the temporary social adjustment period to the concept, and there are at least a couple of notable benefits.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50112775]Neither do unisex bathrooms, is the point. Stop acting like switching all bathrooms to unisex will prevent problems at all.[/QUOTE] But like was said, it would solve the problem of transgendered people feeling alienated. That's the whole point of the discussion. Nobody's acting like anything.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50112775]Neither do unisex bathrooms, is the point. Stop acting like switching all bathrooms to unisex will prevent problems at all.[/QUOTE] They fix plenty of problems and are much more sensible and efficient Gendered bathrooms are utterly pointless with our current restroom equipment accomodations

Unisex bathrooms are uniquely sexist in the sense that they will remove from women an important part of societal coping. Having a bad date? Excuse yourself to the bathroom and leave quietly. Need to talk to your girlfriends about something? This is why the "women's bathroom" trope is so common. Forcing women to use the bathroom with males denies them a critical social safety net in my opinion. What happens when a girl tries to leave an uncomfortable date peacefully by going to the restroom, and the man follows her? There are problems with unisex bathrooms that extend far beyond "ew it's gross to poop around other genders."

I've always thought all bathrooms should be unisex, mainly because policing where people do their business based on their body parts is a completely ridiculous idea, but I just don't see it being adopted as the standard.

[QUOTE=FFStudios;50113485]Unisex bathrooms are uniquely sexist in the sense that they will remove from women an important part of societal coping. Having a bad date? Excuse yourself to the bathroom and leave quietly. Need to talk to your girlfriends about something? This is why the "women's bathroom" trope is so common. Forcing women to use the bathroom with males denies them a critical social safety net in my opinion. What happens when a girl tries to leave an uncomfortable date peacefully by going to the restroom, and the man follows her? There are problems with unisex bathrooms that extend far beyond "ew it's gross to poop around other genders."[/QUOTE] These are social traditions brought about by the existence of gendered bathrooms, not fundamental societal needs. With unisex bathrooms, new social traditions would take shape. Women on bad dates will just come up with some other excuse to leave the table.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50114601]These are social traditions brought about by the existence of gendered bathrooms, not fundamental societal needs. With unisex bathrooms, new social traditions would take shape. Women on bad dates will just come up with some other excuse to leave the table.[/QUOTE] What are you talking about? We're not talking about "social traditions." A terrified woman does not escape to the bathroom because it's tradition, you lunatic. She does it because it's a place where she can feel MORE safe, knowing that a man entering a woman's bathroom will draw attention. You are undermining a critical social safety net for all women. Plain and simple. [editline]11th April 2016[/editline] The solution, then, is a Men's restroom, a Women's restroom, and a unisex bathroom. Most public facilities are already equipped in this manner due to the ubiquity of diaper-changing stations.

[QUOTE=FFStudios;50114687]What are you talking about? We're not talking about "social traditions." A terrified woman does not escape to the bathroom because it's tradition, you lunatic. She does it because it's a place where she can feel MORE safe, knowing that a man entering a woman's bathroom will draw attention. You are undermining a critical social safety net for all women. Plain and simple. [editline]11th April 2016[/editline] The solution, then, is a Men's restroom, a Women's restroom, and a unisex bathroom. Most public facilities are already equipped in this manner due to the ubiquity of diaper-changing stations.[/QUOTE] So you just out any and all transgender people who need to use the washroom Nice. Awesome. Great. All of this, in fear of something that can already happen because nothing stops it now, but magically, we throw more legislation in the way, create bathroom birther police, and we're good, better society! No.

First of all, you've hilariously misinterpreted my post. Secondly, you are mistaking a unisex bathroom for a bathroom with a large neon sign that says "THIS IS THE BATHROOM FOR TRANSGENDER PEOPLE." [editline]11th April 2016[/editline] So if you see someone walking into a bathroom marked as unisex, you immediately assume they're transgender? That sounds like a super shitty way to falsely generalize an entire group of people. Good work, Detective Dick

[QUOTE=FFStudios;50114712]First of all, you've hilariously misinterpreted my post. Secondly, you are mistaking a unisex bathroom for a bathroom with a large neon sign that says "THIS IS THE BATHROOM FOR TRANSGENDER PEOPLE."[/QUOTE] I don't feel that I did. And you have a classic case of incredibly short sight. Here's what happens if you make a unisex bathroom but keep the other ones. Traditions don't change. They won't. There's nothing forcing traditions to change, and there's a great deal of stigma preventing them from changing. No standards or traditions change here. The only people likely to go into those washrooms would be the ones restricted from the other washrooms. [editline]11th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=FFStudios;50114712] So if you see someone walking into a bathroom marked as unisex, you immediately assume they're transgender? That sounds like a super shitty way to falsely generalize an entire group of people. Good work, Detective Dick[/QUOTE] Good work creating a strawman slippery sam.

So your argument distilled then, is "If it doesn't completely overhaul current social tendencies, it isn't a good idea." Here's my advice: go to your nearest community college and enroll in literally the most basic sociology course they have to offer. [editline]11th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50114727] The only people likely to go into those washrooms would be the ones restricted from the other washrooms.[/quote] [quote]Good work creating a strawman slippery sam.[/QUOTE] You just fucking said what I said in clearer words. You don't know what a strawman is either, apparently.

[QUOTE=FFStudios;50114741]So your argument distilled then, is "If it doesn't completely overhaul current social tendencies, it isn't a good idea." Here's my advice: go to your nearest community college and enroll in literally the most basic sociology course they have to offer.[/QUOTE] Hey buddy, how about you not create strawmen every time you read an opinion you don't understand

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50114748]Hey buddy, how about you not create strawmen every time you read an opinion you don't understand[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50114727] The only people likely to go into those washrooms would be the ones restricted from the other washrooms.[/quote] Keep digging that hole. [editline]11th April 2016[/editline] You claim you went to school and studied feminism and all you can do is cry "strawman" at something that is blatantly not a strawman. I'd go get my money back, to be honest.

[QUOTE=FFStudios;50114754]Keep digging that hole. [editline]11th April 2016[/editline] You claim you went to school and studied feminism and all you can do is cry "strawman" at something that is blatantly not a strawman. I'd go get my money back, to be honest.[/QUOTE] You're not even trying to read what I said at any point. If you introduce a standard into society, and you don't at any point make it a part of the traditions the society is used to, you're not likely to find people using that all that often. You never specified whether you believed in restrictions to transgender people, so if you don't, i'm sorry I made that assumption but i'm not that sorry because of how much of a right dick you turned into

Unisex/Family/Etc. restrooms are already pretty common, at least around my area, and no one gives a second thought to a person using them.

[QUOTE=sgman91;50114905]Unisex/Family/Etc. restrooms are already pretty common, at least around my area, and no one gives a second thought to a person using them.[/QUOTE] Then I'm wrong, and I'll admit it if that's the case. Unisex bathrooms in a society where trans people are not allowed to go into the normal rest rooms would out them however so I don't see how i'm wrong on that one at least not yet.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50114916]Then I'm wrong, and I'll admit it if that's the case. Unisex bathrooms in a society where trans people are not allowed to go into the normal rest rooms would out them however so I don't see how i'm wrong on that one at least not yet.[/QUOTE] There are lots of reasons people use them: a disability that makes using a normal stall difficult, just a desire to be alone in the bathroom, etc. There are enough normal reasons that I can't imagine assuming that a person is transgender because they use one. Even if people assumed they were transgender, isn't the whole point of the discussion people who don't look like they fit in the place they want to go? Like I said earlier, no one is going to care if a person who looks like woman goes in the woman's restroom. It will never cause a problem. The issue is people who want to use the restroom of the sex they don't look like, and those people don't need to go into a special bathroom to tell people that they've got something going on.

who would even use a public bathroom, grotey

i wish i could pretend to be a woman and get let into the girls bathroom if i look like a girl whats the problem????????? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Insensitive flaming" - Novangel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=FFStudios;50113485]Unisex bathrooms are uniquely sexist in the sense that they will remove from women an important part of societal coping. Having a bad date? Excuse yourself to the bathroom and leave quietly. Need to talk to your girlfriends about something? This is why the "women's bathroom" trope is so common. Forcing women to use the bathroom with males denies them a critical social safety net in my opinion. What happens when a girl tries to leave an uncomfortable date peacefully by going to the restroom, and the man follows her? There are problems with unisex bathrooms that extend far beyond "ew it's gross to poop around other genders."[/QUOTE] Did you learn about reality from 90's sitcoms

[QUOTE=Rubs10;50107668] Or he can let people use the restroom that corresponds with their gender. Instead of dumb fear mongering.[/QUOTE] How do you prevent pervs from hanging out in the wrong bathroom by only claiming to be that gender. [editline]12th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=FFStudios;50113485]Unisex bathrooms are uniquely sexist in the sense that they will remove from women an important part of societal coping. Having a bad date? Excuse yourself to the bathroom and leave quietly. Need to talk to your girlfriends about something? This is why the "women's bathroom" trope is so common. Forcing women to use the bathroom with males denies them a critical social safety net in my opinion. What happens when a girl tries to leave an uncomfortable date peacefully by going to the restroom, and the man follows her? There are problems with unisex bathrooms that extend far beyond "ew it's gross to poop around other genders."[/QUOTE] Lol what, do you actually believe this?

[QUOTE=FFStudios;50114687]What are you talking about? We're not talking about "social traditions." A terrified woman does not escape to the bathroom because it's tradition, you lunatic. She does it because it's a place where she can feel MORE safe, knowing that a man entering a woman's bathroom will draw attention. You are undermining a critical social safety net for all women. Plain and simple. [editline]11th April 2016[/editline].[/QUOTE] Dial it down a notch, Chicken Little.

[QUOTE=taipan;50116814]How do you prevent pervs from hanging out in the wrong bathroom by only claiming to be that gender.[/QUOTE] How do you prevent pervs of the same gender from hanging out in the bathroom?

[QUOTE=FFStudios;50114712]a bathroom with a large neon sign that says "THIS IS THE BATHROOM FOR TRANSGENDER PEOPLE." [/QUOTE] Hi! Trans person here! This is what it feels like to me. Although I also don't actually care currently. I also wouldn't be using this bathroom in a place I feel unsafe doing so. Just at the point where the other two aren't so ideal. but later on, I def. wouldn't use it unless I had to.