Pirate Group (3DM) Suspends New Cracks To Measure Impact On Sales - Polidicks

[QUOTE=DELL;49690971]Never really understood increasing DRM, I now just wait for game of year edition + sale before even bothering to buy a game. What's the point in stopping pirates if you condition your audience to wait to get the game anyways. Of course there are exceptions to the rule as some games are worth it at launch.[/QUOTE] Because your line of thinking (wait for the GOTY edition) isn't anywhere near mainstream and most sales come from the initial launch period?

[QUOTE=Worstcase;49691354]It's for security reasons. You know, to prevent people on your computer from accessing your billing information that you may have linked to Origin. I seriously can't believe you think that that was some bug in the system.[/QUOTE] I guess Steam is also a giant security risk? (To be fair, considering the whole christmas day caching fuckup it kinda is)

[QUOTE=Omali;49691627]Because your line of thinking (wait for the GOTY edition) isn't anywhere near mainstream and most sales come from the initial launch period?[/QUOTE] Precisely why DeNuvo exists. As mentioned earlier, they intend to ensure the security of a game for the launch fortnight at least. The generally most profitable time in a games lifespan. The developers know it's not uncrackable, they'd be silly to assume otherwise. But they are a group of industry vets who think they have a decent solution to launch week piracy. And it appears to be working better than they hoped.

[QUOTE=simkas;49691621]That doesn't seem to be a problem with literally every other program that remembers your login details so you're saying that Origin is the only software that tries to protect my information?[/QUOTE] Actually, yes. Having passwords saved is a security risk. If someone were to gain physical or remote access to your PC, they could easily log into your Steam account and do whatever.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;49691656]Actually, yes. Having passwords saved is a security risk. If someone were to gain physical or remote access to your PC, they could easily log into your Steam account and do whatever.[/QUOTE] I don't like it when software is made less convenient to cater to idiots who don't know how to keep their computer secure when I'm not one of those idiots.

[QUOTE=Tobba;49691642]I guess Steam is also a giant security risk? (To be fair, considering the whole christmas day caching fuckup it kinda is)[/QUOTE] Significantly more so. Considering that more people are likely to know others who use Steam, considering that Steam is far more desirable than Origin, and yes because Valve is having a bad streak with security between scammers, Valve's own incompetency, and so forth. [QUOTE=l337k1ll4;49691671]I don't like it when software is made less convenient to cater to idiots who don't know how to keep their computer secure when I'm not one of those idiots.[/QUOTE] Security versus convenience. Origin is smart, hopefully you can understand that. Even if it's a 2 second inconvenience to you once every week. Not to mention that sort of argument could be said for using passwords at all. I mean, only foolish people get their credit cards stolen, right?

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;49691671]I don't like it when software is made less convenient to cater to idiots who don't know how to keep their computer secure when I'm not one of those idiots.[/QUOTE] I'm just answering his question that yes, Origin is technically more secure because it doesn't save login details You trade convenience at the expense of security

I'd honestly prefer Uplay simply because you can still buy Ubisoft games on Steam. Ubisoft, surprisingly, hasn't been stupid enough to drop itself from Steam because they came up with a DRM system that you can also buy games from. You have to use Uplay, yes, but at least you aren't forced to use their storefront to buy the next Asscreed, or Ubisoft Open World Game #15. I don't mind Origin, but just for conveniences sake, I do wish EA would stop trying to treat it as some sort of competitive alternative to Steam. As long as it only has EA's games on it and nobody else's, it never will be and will only limit sales potential for their games. [sp]Though admittedly, Origin does have a better return/refund policy than Steam does, so maybe it's not too bad.[/sp]

[QUOTE=RichyZ;49691866]if your drm prevents pirates from playing for a week or more, you have already won[/QUOTE] not really

[QUOTE=RichyZ;49691866]if your drm prevents pirates from playing for a week or more, you have already won[/QUOTE] securom took like a month to crack the first time it appeared.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49692075]securom took like a month to crack the first time it appeared.[/QUOTE] securom also worked only on like 75% of computers

[QUOTE=Map in a box;49692162]securom also worked only on like 75% of computers[/QUOTE] Not to mention very buggy, highly intrusive/security concern, and it (along with SafeDisc) are now permanently blocked by Windows 10.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49691175]There seems to be a suspicious recurring pattern with games running Denuvo and having piss-poor performance. Cracked copies of DA:I run noticeably better than versions using Denuvo according to some people. The whole "denuvo causes hardware failure" thing was made up but it doesn't mean it's not extremely intensive on hardware to begin with. [B]You're still running a game along with DRM that's based around constantly writing shit on your harddrive,[/B] clogging both the drive and your ram in the process.[/QUOTE] [img]http://puu.sh/mZxZ4/b791699557.jpg[/img] C'mon man. It's right on their [url=http://www.denuvo.com/]website[/url].

rip try before you buy now i won't buy any game as a result unless i play a beta/demo of it first

I bet 10$ denuvo is made up of former crackers.

A guy I know used to work with 3DM. I asked him about his experience with them once and he told me he "preferred working with other groups instead of them". i can see why now.

[QUOTE=Wii60;49692376]rip try before you buy now i won't buy any game as a result unless i play a beta/demo of it first[/QUOTE] You can just get a refund nowadays if you buy something on steam or GOG. Just buy it and if you don't like it, get a refund.

[QUOTE=Zyler;49692558]You can just get a refund nowadays if you buy something on steam or GOG. Just buy it and if you don't like it, get a refund.[/QUOTE] 2 hours is not enough to judge a game that is like witcher 3, GTA V, mad max, mass effect, etc. unless the initial impression is so godtier/shit.

I believe sales won't be heavily affected by this. Reason being there are two sides to piracy; the first being the obvious one, but the second is pirating games as "demos" and buying them if you enjoyed their first impression. People who belong to the second category will not be able to satisfy their skepticism without piracy and they might not want to buy the games until much later on when the value has been proven or until a working crack is in order (mainly to test if the game runs properly on their system).

[QUOTE=Omali;49691627]Because your line of thinking (wait for the GOTY edition) isn't anywhere near mainstream and most sales come from the initial launch period?[/QUOTE] Well hopefully everyone will change over to that, as I use to buy everything at launch. Then realized how big of a waste of money it is. Even if you don't wait for GOTY you can normally get them on sale after a month or two. Mind you I do want to see AAA game market crash all over the place.

[QUOTE=mrkaki;49692693]I believe sales won't be heavily affected by this. Reason being there are two sides to piracy; the first being the obvious one, but the second is pirating games as "demos" and buying them if you enjoyed their first impression. People who belong to the second category will not be able to satisfy their skepticism without piracy and they might not want to buy the games until much later on when the value has been proven or until a working crack is in order (mainly to test if the game runs properly on their system).[/QUOTE] With the absolutely massive number of let's players and independent reviewers out there as well as user based rating systems like meta critic and steam no one really needs a demo these days. Even for testing to see if it will run on your hardware a google search will answer that.

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;49691005]Only shame about having to buy ME: Andromeda is the fact I'll have to use Origin, which is shite.[/QUOTE] Make sure to buy all of the dlc too so you can fuel your gaming experience™ to the max

I think that there is two ways this can go: Denuvo doesn't affect sales one bit and eventually companies stop using it or it does affect sales in a positive way and eventually gets cracked

Refunded my Just Cause 3 purchase because game ran like absolute dick on my machine (which is supposed to run it alright). I wonder if Denuvo was the case, or just the optimization is nonexistent

[QUOTE=Zyler;49692558]You can just get a refund nowadays if you buy something on steam or GOG. Just buy it and if you don't like it, get a refund.[/QUOTE] Steam gives you one refund ever.

[QUOTE=phygon;49693451]Steam gives you one refund ever.[/QUOTE] No? That was the case before refunds as a feature were announced

[QUOTE=phygon;49693451]Steam gives you one refund ever.[/QUOTE] So long as you don't have more than 2 hours in the game and the refund request was placed within 14-days of purchasing the game.

Honestly, I'm not in the least surprised a lot of cracking groups disbanded / gave up after how entitled pirates a lot pirates have started to act. The "demo" argument is valid, but I'd imagine most pirates aren't in that group. Should be interesting to see how the numbers shape up after things start releasing around Christmas (assuming no other group takes their place).

denuvo means no modding, which means I'm not buying the game

[QUOTE=Worstcase;49691677]Security versus convenience. Origin is smart, hopefully you can understand that. Even if it's a 2 second inconvenience to you once every week. Not to mention that sort of argument could be said for using passwords at all. I mean, only foolish people get their credit cards stolen, right?[/QUOTE] When I was playing BF3 / BF4 I had to reset my password every fucking time I logged in (to the same password) because Origin would say it's fucking wrong despite it working on the EA sites. It wasn't a 2 second inconvenience every week it was a 5 minute ordeal every fucking day. I've had more problems with Origin than any other single piece of software I've ever used (except maybe Windows). It does appear they have fixed the issue now however. Never had problems with UPlay apart from it being completely inferior to Steam and yet another account / password to remember. On topic: If my friend never pirated Borderlands back in highschool I wouldn't have bought the GOTY for us both or the deluxe edition of BL2, piracy is truly destroying the industry. Or JC2, or Dead Island, or the others I forgot. Sure there are people who never buy the games afterwards but they wouldn't buy it anyway. The real issue is the lack of demos these days - reviews and lets plays can only tell you so much.