[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;22168831]Not all police officers, or even a majority of them, have to be racist for it to be a problem. Even officers not considered racist can have a bias against particular races without being aware of this bias.[/QUOTE]
It was sarcasm
[QUOTE]But not all crimes are worthy of harming someone's life over. Also, what dangers do immigrants pose that makes such immigration illegal in the first place?[/QUOTE]
Despite the fact that it's, you know, THE LAW?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22168935]Despite the fact that it's, you know, THE LAW?[/QUOTE]
is that your only argument? that it's the law? just because something is illegal doesn't automatically make it bad.
[QUOTE=Leon Trotsky;22168927]you failed to answer my question
and it's subconscious
do you really think a police officer is going to see a caucasian and think, "hmm, he might be an illegal."[/QUOTE]
Ah, I see now. Every police officer in American is [I]subconsciously[/I] racist.
[QUOTE]
[url]http://www.aila.org/content/fileviewer.aspx?docid=9284&linkid=39282[/url][/QUOTE]
Those are immigration lawyers. You condemn me for using the NRA for gun rights sources, and you give me this?
[QUOTE]uh, there are different DEGREES of crime. speeding is a crime. gay marriage is a crime in 44/50 states.
what's your point? these are non violent crimes. don't compare them to murder.
you made a terrible analogy. murder = violent crime that violates someone else's rights
illegal immigration = non violent crime[/QUOTE]
A crime is STILL a crime, and the person MUST be held accountable.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22168993]Those are immigration lawyers. You condemn me for using the NRA for gun rights sources, and you give me this?[/QUOTE]
lol, you didn't even bother to read it
read all the sources then and verify them. every claim is sourced.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22168993]A crime is STILL a crime, and the person MUST be held accountable.[/QUOTE]
wow, you are dense.
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lol emperor doesn't even know that the US heavily depends on immigrants.
jesus fuck, what world do you live in?
[QUOTE=Leon Trotsky;22169024]
wow, you are dense.[/QUOTE]
:waycool:
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;22168673]I'm not sure of the exact law in Arizona in this regard, but the US Supreme Court has held that there is no requirement to prove who you are unless arrested, and then you need only state your name upon arrest. You cannot be held for not possessing your ID at a particular time, although you can be required to provide ID where safety is an issue (e.g. a driver's license when you had been driving). Typically, you must provide the ID within 24 hours.[/QUOTE]
This, glaber. The original Arizona law required you to show your ID to a policeman during ANY lawful contact. That can range from being stopped on the street to an arrest.
[QUOTE=Leon Trotsky;22169024]lol, you didn't even bother to read it
read all the sources then and verify them. every claim is sourced.
wow, you are dense.
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lol emperor doesn't even know that the US heavily depends on [b]Legal[/b] immigrants.
jesus fuck, what world do you live in?[/QUOTE]
Fixed. What we don't rely upon is Illegal Immigrants.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22169109]This, glaber. The original Arizona law required you to show your ID to a policeman during ANY lawful contact. That can range from being stopped on the street to an arrest.[/QUOTE]
Where's the other half of your evidence? The Federal Law.
You may want to look at the links at the bottom of this article: [url]http://www.abc15.com/content/news/phoenixmetro/central/story/Is-federal-immigration-law-different-from/1ZdAAkpg-U6oVELk47QVBw.cspx[/url]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22168993]Those are immigration lawyers. You condemn me for using the NRA for gun rights sources, and you give me this?[/QUOTE]
here are some more sources for you that the US economy depends on immigrants:
[url]http://www.dallasfed.org/research/swe/2003/swe0306a.html[/url]
[url]http://www.numbersusa.com/text?ID=1259[/url]
[url]http://www.rand.org/pubs/monograph_reports/MR854.1/MR854.1.chap6.pdf[/url]
[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/02/national/main531433.shtml[/url]
[url]http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1505[/url]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22169109]This, glaber. The original Arizona law required you to show your ID to a policeman during ANY lawful contact. That can range from being stopped on the street to an arrest.[/QUOTE]
There must be probable cause. They can't simply go, "STOP, PAPERS NOW!"
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22169169]There must be probable cause. They can't simply go, "STOP, PAPERS NOW!"[/QUOTE]
No, the law just said "reasonable suspicion [upon]... lawful contact".
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22169169]There must be probable cause. They can't simply go, "STOP, PAPERS NOW!"[/QUOTE]
yeah, the "probable cause" is that they're brown
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[QUOTE=Glaber;22169131]Fixed. What we don't rely upon is Illegal Immigrants.[/QUOTE]
uh, yeah you do.
legal and illegal immigrants.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22169193]No, the law just said "reasonable suspicion [upon]... lawful contact".[/QUOTE]
Reasonable suspicion of a crime being committed. They must see a criminal act happening in order to request identification.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22168993]Ah, I see now. Every police officer in American is [I]subconsciously[/I] racist.
Those are immigration lawyers. You condemn me for using the NRA for gun rights sources, and you give me this?
A crime is STILL a crime, and the person MUST be held accountable.[/QUOTE]
i take it you aren't a big fan of gandhi
[QUOTE=Leon Trotsky;22169208]yeah, the "probable cause" is that they're brown
[/QUOTE]
Maybe in your country. But here the probable cause can be something like someone getting pulled over, can't produce a license and registration, and can't speak english.
emperor why are you being a right wing nut
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22169233]Reasonable suspicion of a crime being committed. They must see a criminal act happening in order to request identification.[/QUOTE]
Reasonable suspicion that they're here illegally, such as being brown or being sort of brown.
[QUOTE=Leon Trotsky;22169208]
uh, yeah you do.
legal and illegal immigrants.[/QUOTE]
Well if we do depend on them, then maybe we should teach the English so they can figure out they're being taken advantage of. I mean why not? It would make it easier for them to find the groceries they're looking for, or that new electronic device, or order something at a restaurant, or read a traffic sign, or sue an employer for mistreatment.
[QUOTE=Leon Trotsky;22166870]shows how xenophobic and idiotic people are[/QUOTE]
This bill, if read through, explains that if your going to a icecream shop no ones going. [b]"LET ME SEE DEM PAPAS SIR."[/b] Now say had they commited DWI, [b]"Sir let me see your paper"[/b] That is what its saying you have to be incarcerated to have your papers checked by a officer. The media blew this shit out of proportion.
Also guys the bill has been revised by AZ many times. See we have LA, RI and Minneapolis. [sp]I live in Minneapolis are mayor is a umb shit who couldn't tell the diference between PR and IRL[/sp]
Not just the Media, but Obama and his administration too.
Forgot that. Also everyone we need some sort of debate application where it will time an cut off are yelling and crying on both sides when there time is up.
[QUOTE=Lazor;22169243]i take it you aren't a big fan of gandhi[/QUOTE]
Gandhi was arrested, wasn't he?
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[QUOTE=Leon Trotsky;22169278]emperor why are you being a right wing nut[/QUOTE]
Most likely for the same reasons you're a "left wing nut".
[QUOTE=Karbinev2;22166832]something like 70% of the US agrees with the bill[/QUOTE]
says the latest Fox Opinion poll.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22169648]Most likely for the same reasons you're a "left wing nut".[/QUOTE]
what are they? and I'm not a nut.
I don't have a problem with brown people like you. and I'm not the one who compared illegal immigrants to murders.
[QUOTE=Leon Trotsky;22169767]what are they? and I'm not a nut.
I don't have a problem with brown people like you.[/QUOTE]
Please point out where I said, or implied, I have "a problem with brown people".
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22168993]A crime is STILL a crime, and the person MUST be held accountable.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://negroartist.com/civil%20rights%20imagery/images/Black%20civil%20rights%20demonstrator%20attacked%20by%20a%20dog%20in%20Birmingham,%20Alabama%201963_jpg.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22169780]Please point out where I said, or implied, I have "a problem with brown people".[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22169780]I have "a problem with brown people".[/QUOTE]
Boom.
[QUOTE=TH89;22169860][img]http://negroartist.com/civil%20rights%20imagery/images/Black%20civil%20rights%20demonstrator%20attacked%20by%20a%20dog%20in%20Birmingham,%20Alabama%201963_jpg.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
basically this
laws aren't always good
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;22168151]Plenty of people throughout history have agreed with some really terrible things. That's why the majority isn't the only thing required to create lasting laws.[/QUOTE]
That is how democracy works
[QUOTE=bigbadbarron;22169933]That is how democracy works[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority[/url]
read up
and the US isn't a democracy. it's a constitutional republic.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22169862]Boom.[/QUOTE]
:hurr:
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