• Challenging Monsanto: Over two million march the streets of 436 cities, 52 countries
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This is what's wrong with Monsanto. [url]http://gmo-awareness.com/2011/05/12/monsanto-dirty-dozen/[/url]
Monsanto is like the Umbrella of the real world.
As far as i know, Monsanto is banned in Serbia, you can't even take their stuff in the country
Don't worry, in a thousand years all they'll be doing wrong is promoting historical inaccuracy in theme parks on the moon.
I just don't like that it seems they're protesting for the wrong reason (GMOs instead of Monsanto's bullshit practices).
Monsanto wouldn't give a damn if it was half the world protesting.
German news has soccer, soccer, soccer, but I've yet to hear about this. How fucking sad is it that I get this kinda news via Facepunch of all places?
There is nothing wrong with GMO's as far as I'm concerned, they are what will give humanity an edge in surviving in the future. Especially if we seek to colonise other worlds we will have to specially design plants for that. However the manner in which they are tested, produced and controlled is currently unacceptable - Just look at that GMO Rapeseed plant that is spreading in that states and is now classed as a 'superweed' because it managed to breed and get out. The whole system needs a shake up.
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;40784951]I haven't heard a single thing about a protest in Brisbane, and I usually get emails from GetUp about random dinners across the country so I assume I should have gotten something if it happened.[/QUOTE] There was one, It was on saturday. I remember it because most of the anti-gm supporters from far-northern nsw and the sunny coast were rallying that day
Its good this has dropped on FP as the media are not running with it. RT is a leftist, Russian propaganda machine but on this occasion they are reporting something of worth that the other networks are refusing to cover. Monsanto are treating farmers who won't sign up in an appalling manner, fuck monsanto.
Drown me in the boxes, but what is Monsanto exactly?
I haven't even heard of Monsanto until this thread.
[QUOTE=ijyt;40789501]I haven't even heard of Monsanto until this thread.[/QUOTE]They seem to be one of the few companies that deliberately attempt to remain obscure in the public consciousness.
[QUOTE=jewdozer;40789189]Its good this has dropped on FP as the media are not running with it. RT is a leftist, Russian propaganda machine but on this occasion they are reporting something of worth that the other networks are refusing to cover. Monsanto are treating farmers who won't sign up in an appalling manner, fuck monsanto.[/QUOTE] But everybody else is covering it as well? [url]http://news.yahoo.com/protesters-over-400-cities-march-vs-monsanto-224936864.html[/url] [url]http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/protesters-march-monsanto-250-cities-19256536#.UaJFOkA4uQ0[/url] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/25/march-against-monsanto-gmo-protest_n_3336627.html[/url] [url]http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/anti-monsanto-march-in-montreal-targets-gmos-1.1296906[/url] [url]http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/organizers-protestors-march-against-monsanto-in-more-than-400-cities-including-denver-boulder[/url] [url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/05/25/global-protests-monsanto/2361007/[/url] [url]http://www.chicagonow.com/another-look-chicago/2013/05/march-against-monsanto-rally-chicago-photos/#image/1[/url] Also FP isn't the best source of news. People talk about the mainstream media feeding the sheeple bullshit, but then for some reason, a piece of video game news or a leaked porn video will have people flocking to this site.
The problems with genetic engineering have not been fully explored due to the newness of the research. This does not include plant hybridization or selective plant breeding, but instead the actual incorporation of genes into the crop. From an ecosystems perspective, there is an issue of genetically-modified pollen entering other ecosystems and disrupting the ecological balance. The practices used to genetically modify crops allow the new genes to be incorporated into the digestive bacteria of the organisms that ingest them, including humans. This isn't a major issue until certain kinds of genetic modifications (antibiotics resistance markers to be specific) are incorporated into the bacteria. Relevant articles: [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2002/jul/17/gm.science[/url] [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1364539/#!po=7.00000[/url] [url]http://www.anh-usa.org/genetically-engineered-food-alters-our-digestive-systems/[/url]
[QUOTE=joes33431;40791236]The problems with genetic engineering have not been fully explored due to the newness of the research. This does not include plant hybridization or selective plant breeding, but instead the actual incorporation of genes into the crop. From an ecosystems perspective, there is an issue of genetically-modified pollen entering other ecosystems and disrupting the ecological balance. The practices used to genetically modify crops allow the new genes to be incorporated into the digestive bacteria of the organisms that ingest them, including humans. This isn't a major issue until certain kinds of genetic modifications (antibiotics resistance markers to be specific) are incorporated into the bacteria. Relevant articles: [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2002/jul/17/gm.science[/url] [url]http://www.naturalnews.com/032800_GMOs_intestinal_bacteria.html[/url][/QUOTE] [url]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Naturalnews[/url] [quote]If you cite NaturalNews on any matter whatsoever, you are almost certainly wrong.[/quote]
Nobody watched food inc. ?
I never heard anything about Monsanto? Have I been living under a rock?
[QUOTE=Valiantttt;40791282]I never heard anything about Monsanto? Have I been living under a rock?[/QUOTE] It's a company that genetically engineers seeds, and is often a target of conspiracy theorists.
I am not worried about GMOs I think people usually find out what and is bad for them and avoid bad things but subsidizing a pesticide manufacturer might be more detrimental to the cost of food in the cost of the dead honey bee populations that will ensue. Also allowing farmers greater access to weed-resistant plant strains and herbicides will decrease the time it takes for the environment to respond and grow immunity to these methods which is a detriment as well. I think that the best way to help small farmers would be to subsidize farming practices that are in THEIR interest such as crop rotation instead of subsidizing Monsanto. Also they have a monopoly on most seeds and herbicides and are very anti-competitive.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40791258][url]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Naturalnews[/url][/QUOTE] woooops offered some better sources
[QUOTE=Persecution;40789246]Drown me in the boxes, but what is Monsanto exactly?[/QUOTE] Bioengineering giant with bullshit business practice
[QUOTE=OrDnAs;40791401]Bioengineering giant with bullshit business practice[/QUOTE] not to mention a shitton of pesticides and artificial growth hormones
[QUOTE=Fenderson;40791354]I am not worried about GMOs I think people usually find out what and is bad for them and avoid bad things but subsidizing a pesticide manufacturer might be more detrimental to the cost of food in the cost of the dead honey bee populations that will ensue. Also allowing farmers greater access to weed-resistant plant strains and herbicides will decrease the time it takes for the environment to respond and grow immunity to these methods which is a detriment as well. I think that the best way to help small farmers would be to subsidize farming practices that are in THEIR interest such as crop rotation instead of subsidizing Monsanto. Also they have a monopoly on most seeds and herbicides and are very anti-competitive.[/QUOTE] Why not eliminate subsidies entirely?
GMOs are banned in my country....
[QUOTE=OrDnAs;40791455]GMOs are banned in my country....[/QUOTE] What a backwards agricultural and economic policy.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40791477]What a backwards agricultural and economic policy.[/QUOTE] there's not enough evidence to suggest that certain kinds of genetically-modified organisms are safe, nor is there enough to suggest that they're unsafe. many of the suggested adverse effects may not appear for years. perhaps Peru is just using the precautionary principle. to be clear, i'm not some kind of anti-modification super-environmentalist, but it's important to consider why some of the Monsanto protestors might be against GM crops - there are concerns, and i think they deserve to be brought up and addressed. i'm fine with any modification that is assured to be safe for consumption.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40791438]Why not eliminate subsidies entirely?[/QUOTE] Sure why not. The reason why I talk about 'helping small farmers' is that is exactly the story the Monsanto lobby (second biggest corporate lobby in america next to the Altria tobacco company) used to earn its subsidy.
[QUOTE=joes33431;40791794]there's not enough evidence to suggest that certain kinds of genetically-modified organisms are safe, nor is there enough to suggest that they're unsafe.[/quote] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food[/url] [quote]There is broad scientific consensus that food on the market derived from GM crops pose no greater risk to human health than conventional food.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][/quote] [quote]many of the suggested adverse effects may not appear for years. perhaps Peru is just using the precautionary principle. to be clear, i'm not some kind of anti-modification super-environmentalist, but it's important to consider why some of the Monsanto protestors might be against GM crops - there are concerns, and i think they deserve to be brought up and addressed. i'm fine with any modification that is assured to be safe for consumption.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure many of the protesters out there are against GM crops because of misplaced fears based on psuedo-science. [editline]26th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Fenderson;40791873]Sure why not. The reason why I talk about 'helping small farmers' is that is exactly the story the Monsanto lobby (second biggest corporate lobby in america next to the Altria tobacco company) used to earn its subsidy.[/QUOTE] Well, small farmers are a dying breed anyways.
Can someone tell me exactly what is so bad about Monsanto? I just don't get it, they're a company, and the only accusations of "shady" dealings I've seen were from sources like Daily Kos and AlterNet and blatantly biased environmental awareness sites.
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