Blackburn College student beaten up by gang over his long hair
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His name is Harley Davies, he should get a Harley Davidson.
No one would fuck with Harley Davies on a Harley Davidson.
[QUOTE=Super_Poo;37904418]Wish I could grow long hair.
My hair ends up as a jew-fro if I grow it longer than an inch.[/QUOTE]
Mine was a JewFro for 4 months. then it started growing further and now it's just over 60cm of curls all the way down my back (almost 3 years growing it)
This is horrible, but why does it need to be classed as a hate crime? Isn't assault and harassment enough?
[QUOTE=RobbL;37909015]This is horrible, but why does it need to be classed as a hate crime? Isn't assault and harassment enough?[/QUOTE]
Because that's not how law and punishment works
If I mass murdered 15 people and set a house on fire should I not be punished for the latter since the 15 murders was enough?
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;37909481]Because that's not how law and punishment works
If I mass murdered 15 people and set a house on fire should I not be punished for the latter since the 15 murders was enough?[/QUOTE]
I know, but I don't really get hate crime laws to be completely honest. What's the difference between murdering someone because of a certain characteristic they have and murdering them because of other reasons? I mean, the law doesn't distinguish between murdering someone because of revenge, power, love, jealousy, or stuff like gang-related or religious reasons, ect.
The only factors I think that make sense in defining murder type are responsibility and deliberacy (can't think of the proper word, but you should know what I mean)
Anyway I haven't thought about it much so my opinion could be completely wrong
[QUOTE=RobbL;37909846]I know, but I don't really get hate crime laws to be completely honest. What's the difference between murdering someone because of a certain characteristic they have and murdering them because of other reasons? I mean, the law doesn't distinguish between murdering someone because of revenge, power, love, jealousy, or stuff like gang-related or religious reasons, ect.
The only factors I think that make sense in defining murder type are responsibility and deliberacy (can't think of the proper word, but you should know what I mean)
Anyway I haven't thought about it much so my opinion could be completely wrong[/QUOTE]
Hate crimes are not always related to the murder in hand, so they can be a completely separate offense
Hate crimes don't actually have to involve physical harm at all, just has to be related to the unjust hatred (I have no idea how they judge this though)
[QUOTE=zakedodead;37903402]Short hair sucks though.[/QUOTE]
What's to hate about short hair? It's short, manageable, doesn't get in your eyes or irritate your ears, and it definitely helps when you go work out.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;37909924]What's to hate about short hair? It's short, manageable, doesn't get in your eyes or irritate your ears, and it definitely helps when you go work out.[/QUOTE]
This, hair getting in your eyes is really annoying.
It's his choice on how he wants his hair. Who the fuck do they think they are to tell him what he can and can't do with it.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;37909481]Because that's not how law and punishment works
If I mass murdered 15 people and set a house on fire should I not be punished for the latter since the 15 murders was enough?[/QUOTE]
That's not the same at all though. Arson is a crime on its own, hating someone isn't.
My hair is around six inches past my shoulders and I don't get any shit for it. If you keep it well groomed and get trims regularly, you won't have any problems. Keep in mind that I live in Utah, which is an extremely conservative state.
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The biker leather probably helps, though.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;37909875]Hate crimes are not always related to the murder in hand, so they can be a completely separate offense
Hate crimes don't actually have to involve physical harm at all, just has to be related to the unjust hatred (I have no idea how they judge this though)[/QUOTE]
I can't see how you'd commit a hate crime without committing another crime first though. There's already laws that make discrimination and repeated behaviour intended to disturb or upset people a crime that falls under harassment, so why do we actually need hate crime laws too?
I love it when you wash your hair post-haircut
it dries in 5 seconds of towel rubbing.
[QUOTE=RobbL;37910051]I can't see how you'd commit a hate crime without committing another crime first though. There's already laws that make discrimination and repeated behaviour intended to disturb or upset a crime that falls under harassment, so why do we actually need hate crime laws too?[/QUOTE]
It's due to the nature of hate crimes. During a hate crime, the guy's not assaulting you because he knows you, or you did something to slight him, or even because he wants to take your money. He's assaulting you simply because you have a different color of skin, or have a different gender or worship some other god (or even other minor differences.)
Hate crimes by their nature are largely irrational, which is an issue because a person prone to such irrationality would more then likely commit it again.
I used to have people start fights with me for this reason and my hair wasn't even as long as this guys.
Even more fights when I had a mohawk briefly.
Now when people tell me to get a hair cut I punch them first because it's getting stupid.
[QUOTE=Coffee;37910069]I love it when you wash your hair post-haircut
it dries in 5 seconds of towel rubbing.[/QUOTE]
I hate the feeling of coming out of the shower after a haircut, makes me feel almost bald :v:
[QUOTE=Wolf_24601;37901816]The only reason anyone's ever given me when saying I should cut my hair was that long hair on guys looks unnatural.
That seems kind of backwards.[/QUOTE]
If it's not natural then why the fuck does it grow long then?
[QUOTE=Lamar;37896002]Yes and no. "Krav Maga" is licensed trademark by "Krav Maga Worldwide" that's essentially a chain of Mcdojos. What they teach there is an incredibly watered down version of it. I went to one of their places for a month and I thought a lot of the stuff seemed pretty silly. I went to another place (no affiliation to Krav Maga) afterwards for a couple months run by a couple of Russian-Israeli guys who were in the IDF and they ripped on "Krav Maga" all the time.[/QUOTE]
Oh, in that case I didn't get the joke :v:
[QUOTE=Garik;37910847]If it's not natural then why the fuck does it grow long then?[/QUOTE]
The same could be said about how rats have to constantly gnaw on things to keep their teeth short (since they constantly grow.)
This story reminds me of something that happened to me once.
I was out with my friends in a small town called Larkhill in Wiltshire (army town, so it's full of chavs). My friends at the time happened to have long, black hair and we were just going into the kebab shop to get some dinner. As we approached the door a group of about five or six of these charming creatures (including two girls) started yelling at us, stuff like "Twats! Sad twats!". We didn't think much of it and ignored it, went inside and placed our order. A few minutes later we saw them messing with my friend's car and he went outside to politely tell them to leave us alone. One of them came up to him and threatened to stab him, and said he had a knife. My friend saw it and it was only a box cutter apparently, but still.
At this point we rang the police. They turned up, searched the knife guy and found nothing, moved all of them on.
When we went back to the car we found they had put the wipers up and tried (and failed) to let down the tires.
All of this over hair - and we hadn't done anything to antagonise them or prolong this assault. People like this make me wish I was a muscle-bound badass with infinite ass-kicking ability.
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