• Toddler tortured to death by mum and boyfriend at Pennsylvania trailer park
    43 replies, posted
[QUOTE=draugur;46427481]I can. 1. Killing them won't bring the kid back. 2. If you're in this for the idea of revenge, (which lets be real, the death penalty is 100% revenge, not justice) having them rott and suffer in prison for life is worse than the release of death. 3. revenge isn't justice. Killing them does nothing productive and only serves to show you show the same lack of human empathy as they do if you honestly want to see them die. 4. Scientific studies have consistently failed to demonstrate that executions deter people from committing crime anymore than long prison sentences. 5. It costs far more to execute a person than to keep him or her in prison for life. 6. Life in prison also guarantees no future crimes. 7. Death penalty violates international human rights laws. 8. Promotes killing as an fine solution to a difficult problem. Even if you don't believe in rehabilitation, it is better from the punishment aspect to keep someone in prison for life with no option of parole, it is also cheaper. It also doesn't mean stooping to their level of disgusting moral disregard.[/QUOTE] So here's a couple who fucking [I]tortured a kid to death[/I], and you dare say that I lack empathy [I]just as they do[/I] because I want to see them in the dirt? When I read of things such as these I don't give a single thought to human rights, justice, the cost or scientific studies about crime deterrence. Does that make me a hypocrite? Yeah, probably. Do I give a shit? Not one. I'm totally fine with being a hypocrite if it means I get to be human. We're irrational by nature because we have these strong unnecessary feelings, like a want for revenge. So fuck my principles, fuck my morals, fuck "doing something productive" and fuck listing up excuses in order not to break our holy moral code as if we were a bunch of robots. I'd like to see them dead for what they did and I'm fine with whatever that makes me. [editline]7th November 2014[/editline] And fuck, that elephant makes any post seem cheerful.
[QUOTE=Korova;46430174]To the people disagreeing with this, you think these people should be allowed back into society in 20-30 years?[/QUOTE] As long as they are dangerous, keep them in prison. I don't agree with executing prisoners.
[QUOTE=draugur;46427481]I can. 1. Killing them won't bring the kid back. 2. If you're in this for the idea of revenge, (which lets be real, the death penalty is 100% revenge, not justice) [b]having them rott and suffer in prison for life is worse than the release of death. 3. revenge isn't justice. Killing them does nothing productive and only serves to show you show the same lack of human empathy as they do if you honestly want to see them die.[/b] 4. Scientific studies have consistently failed to demonstrate that executions deter people from committing crime anymore than long prison sentences. 5. It costs far more to execute a person than to keep him or her in prison for life. 6. Life in prison also guarantees no future crimes. 7. Death penalty violates international human rights laws. 8. Promotes killing as an fine solution to a difficult problem. Even if you don't believe in rehabilitation, it is better from the punishment aspect to keep someone in prison for life with no option of parole, it is also cheaper. It also doesn't mean stooping to their level of disgusting moral disregard.[/QUOTE] Those two statements in themselves are contradictions. Regardless, I'm going to say this without any bias whatsoever. Whether you believe they should suffer in prison for the decades to come but costing them their free lives (which you've just said is inhumane, which it is), or whether you choose to have them executed, costing them their lives in general but saving them years of both mental and physical pain and abuse (which you've just said is inhumane, which it is). What's the difference? Perhaps sometimes, there just isn't a right answer. I don't know what we should do with them, but both of those options seem equally as viable to the needs of the greater good, protecting the general public. Whether or not you're doing it for revenge (which is only an assumption on your part) or for the betterment of everyone else (perhaps an assumption on mine), that is the question. One more thing, it may be cheaper to keep them in prison for life, at the risk of their greater suffering, but can you honestly say that is the best thing to do, both for them [i]and[/i] for us? I apologize for this reference, but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and in the end I guess that's what it boils down to morals aside, because these people are a clear danger to society.
Murder of the First Degree right there ladies and gentlemen [QUOTE]Scott McMillan was tied upside down and beaten, whipped and lashed with a metal rod and had his head smashed through a wall before he died, police in Chester County, Pennsylvania told US ABC’s Eyewitness News.[/QUOTE] There's no way you can do this to a child and not expect to kill him.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;46430158]Personally, I feel it is not to reintegrate them but to contribute to what we know in psychology and sociology. We need to find the causes and make the proper societal adjustments the best we can. [editline]7th November 2014[/editline] This solves nothing.[/QUOTE] It gets rid of the shit that stains the white carpet. "People" like this are hardly worth wasting tax money on. Hope the get sent of to the shittiest prison possible if they ain't getting the needle.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46427046]The fuck is killing a child gonna do good? If you cant take care of it just put it up for adoption.[/QUOTE] Most people are too stupid and ignorant to even consider that.
Talk about the death penalty in here instead of derailing the thread into stupid arguments [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1431452[/url]
[QUOTE=AcidGravy;46426909]These people are obviously not mentally fit to be in society. Life imprisonment and a mental assessment is the course of action to take. You could also argue that they deserve death, but I don't believe that killing them is the answer.[/QUOTE] For them imprisonment is basically a death sentence anyway, child abusers aren't likely to last very long in prison
I cant believe you have an argument about the death penalty in this fucking thread. This trailer-trash couple just fucking tortured and killed their fucking son, THEIR FUCKING SON. These people wont ever get rehabitated and you guys on your high horse arguing against the death penalty is not gonna help anything either.
[QUOTE=draugur;46427481]I can. 6. Life in prison also guarantees no future crimes. .[/QUOTE] I'm sure large gang leaders who get imprisoned for life are perfectly capable of committing a crim inside the prison.
[QUOTE=Zovox;46428369]Plain and simple, give them death penalty with the same death as the kid got.[/QUOTE] An eye for an eye, though... As despicable as this is, I'd like to know how they were driven to such insanity, like what factors in their lives caused them to think doing this to a child was justifiable
The story, article, and mugshots just struck home with me, hard. While I very much dislike dredging up these memories, I myself was abused by my own mother and her boyfriend until I was 6 years old. Their chores and punishments for my "behavior" are fully documented in court manuscripts, that when I read, am astonished a 5-year old boy was able to vocalize. Alcohol and drugs often play a major role in these cases, as they did with mine. It's times like this that I am extremely thankful for the life I had been given, and that my saving grace was a caring 1st grade teacher that took notice of my injuries and started the necessary process to grant my wonderful father full custody. Take this moment not to debate on the death penalty, but instead on mental health outreach and intervention. If you see the signs, which there are many, please reach out to children who appear distressed, because the problems may run much deeper than you'd initially imagine.
[QUOTE=Bynine;46431893]An eye for an eye, though... As despicable as this is, I'd like to know how they were driven to such insanity, like what factors in their lives caused them to think doing this to a child was justifiable[/QUOTE] There could be multiple causes that should be looked into, including their social class, economic status, possible abuse as a child... I know of many fathers that do terrible things because their father did the same to them. This could just be a twisted amplification of that. But the point I'm trying to make is looking into it and seeing what can be solved through those means is better than just doing nothing while punishing them.
Even knowing the horrors of eugenics, rading about cases like this make me consider the possibility of requiring a permit to get children. Because these cases have driven me believe that some people are simply not fit to be parents.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.