9/11 words by Iran leader lead to U.S. walkout at U.N. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;25019936]He's taking a quote from one person from the exact same patriotsquestion911 website and trying to claim that it's fact without any hard evidence or any scientific research.[/QUOTE] There's reports here for you. [url]http://www.ae911truth.org/en/home.html[/url]

That is a webblog, not a peer reviewed scientific report. A highly blatantly biased webblog I might add.

[QUOTE=jbright;25019379]No amount of feigned outrage can put the 9/11 truth genie back in the bottle – all the king’s horses and all the king’s men cannot put the official 9/11 story back together again.[/QUOTE] First off? Fuck you. I have responded to many morons like you who think they're intelligent for "questioning authority" like this, but are really just morons copying other morons. I am sick and tired of debunking all this crap, but I'll do it one more time. [QUOTE=jbright;25019379]- Mahmoud Ahmadinejad talking about 9/11 does not answer why Building 7 collapsed in seven seconds within its own footprint on the afternoon of 9/11 despite not being hit by a plane and having suffered minimal damage.[/QUOTE] [i]Minimal[/i] damage? What about all the burning debris that landed on it? Most importantly, what about the immense seismic disturbance of two skyscrapers collapsing, practically next door? [QUOTE=jbright;25019379]- Mahmoud Ahmadinejad talking about 9/11 does not answer why the US air defense system failed to follow standard operating procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.[/QUOTE] What SOP? Back then, air defense was aimed primarily at stopping Russian or Chinese bombers. The system for hijacked aircraft started with "wait for them to land to refuel and make ransom demands". Besides, I'm pretty sure "government incompetence" is a whole lot more likely and plausible than "government super-conspiracy". [QUOTE=jbright;25019379]- Mahmoud Ahmadinejad talking about 9/11 does not answer why cell phones worked at 30,000 feet in 2001.[/QUOTE] Oh boy, this is a stupid one. Cell phones were always able to work in aircraft. The reason why you don't use them isn't because it breaks the phones, but because it can break the cell towers. Normally, you're within range of three or four cell towers before they get blocked by the horizon. The towers can communicate with each other and figure out which has the best signal with you. At 30,000 feet, you're within range of several dozen. The towers trying to figure out which one gets to talk to you was, at the time, a huge load. Too many people doing it would tie up the entire system. [QUOTE=jbright;25019379]- Mahmoud Ahmadinejad talking about 9/11 does not answer why US authorities failed to respond to scores of warnings from foreign intelligence agencies as well as their own Able Danger program which was tracking the hijackers before the attacks.[/QUOTE] The government fucked up. They dropped the ball. They goofed. THIS IS NOT A SURPRISE. Almost every disaster, especially those caused by man, could have been averted, had someone not fucked up. [QUOTE=jbright;25019379]- Mahmoud Ahmadinejad talking about 9/11 does not answer why Osama Bin Laden was working for the US right up until 9/11, as revealed by FBI translator Sibel Edmonds.[/QUOTE] Now, this one I had to research. Yes, Bin Laden was "working" for the US, at least in the 80s when he was fighting the Soviets. I do not find it difficult to believe that he was still on a list a few decades later, until he did something to make him even noticed. Not only that, but I looked up this "Sibel Edmonds". She was a translator for the FBI, yes. She was fired for, among other things, incompetence. I'm not going to comment on the fairness of her firing, but I'm going to ask for a second source for this information, to confirm. [QUOTE=jbright;25019379]- Mahmoud Ahmadinejad talking about 9/11 doesn’t answer why unprecedented numbers of put options, speculation that a stock will fall, were place on airline stocks, in the days before 9/11.[/QUOTE] Again, citation needed. Preferably one that isn't insane. [QUOTE=jbright;25019379]- Mahmoud Ahmadinejad talking about 9/11 doesn’t answer why there has been no formal indictment of bin Laden nine years after 9/11 when it only took three months to charge him with the 1998 embassy bombings.[/QUOTE] Simple. The embassy bombings were clearly traced back all the way to Bin Laden. 9/11 was both a larger plot in terms of people, and was led not by Bin Laden, but by one of his lieutenants. As of yet, there is insufficient evidence for a full indictment. [QUOTE=jbright;25019379]- Mahmoud Ahmadinejad talking about 9/11 doesn’t answer why the US government allowed the entire Bin Laden family to fly out of the country without even questioning them when all other air traffic was grounded.[/QUOTE] The fuck are you talking about? I'm going to ask, again, for a source. That isn't crazy, mind you. [QUOTE=jbright;25019379]Mahmoud Ahmadinejad talking about 9/11 doesn’t answer a mountain of other issues that clearly indicate the official story is impossible and that millions of people around the world acknowledge this, and no amount of smear-by association will eliminate the thousands of respected individuals and whistleblowers who have spoken out on the issue.[/QUOTE] The official story is impossible? News to me. "Hey, this organization that hates Western Civilization, especially America, that is known to use suicide bombers, launched a suicide attack on America, and the government was incompetent in trying to stop it." That is about the least impossible story I've ever heard. [img]http://healthhabits.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/myth-busted.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;25020021]That is a webblog, not a peer reviewed scientific report. A highly blatantly biased webblog I might add.[/QUOTE] 29 Structural/Civil Engineers Cite Evidence for Controlled Explosive Demolition in Destruction of All 3 WTC High-Rises on 9/11, June '09 paste into Google and read the report

Want the truth about 9/11? Al-qaeda hijacked three planes and crashed them into precious American assets.

Fun fact: Ahmadinejad himself was born a jew. [editline]10:34AM[/editline] [URL]http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2009/10/ahmadinejad-was-born-a-jew.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=gman003-main;25020124] What SOP? Back then, air defense was aimed primarily at stopping Russian or Chinese bombers. The system for hijacked aircraft started with "wait for them to land to refuel and make ransom demands".[/QUOTE] First off, you sound like a total tool talking to others like that who happen to have a varying opinion. Second, our air defense in the U.S. is capable of scrambling F-15's to deal with any unidentified airplane in our air space. A drunk man took his private jet for a ride back in the 90's and within 15 minutes they had jets on his ass ready to fire in case he crashed into a building. You think that the government suddenly becomes absolutely and utterly incompetent overnight when it comes to defending national assets?

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25020869]First off, you sound like a total tool talking to others like that who happen to have a varying opinion. Second, our air defense in the U.S. is capable of scrambling F-15's to deal with any unidentified airplane in our air space. A drunk man took his private jet for a ride back in the 90's and within 15 minutes they had jets on his ass ready to fire in case he crashed into a building. You think that the government suddenly becomes absolutely and utterly incompetent overnight when it comes to defending national assets?[/QUOTE] No he sounds likes someone logically disproving an opinion someone is trying to present as a fact.

[Quote]First off? Fuck you. I have responded to many morons like you who think they're intelligent for "questioning authority" like this, but are really just morons copying other morons.[/Quote] Real, logical, rational debate being put into words by this fine upstanding gentlemen. Indubitably.:bravo:

[QUOTE=jbright;25019826]Debunk and list your credentials. Engineers and Architects "The 9/11 Commission Report is fatally flawed. The major conclusions of the 9/11 Commission Report - the official, conspiracy theory - are false." -- Enver Masud, Engineer and author "9/11 Unveiled" "[A]ll three World Trade Center high-rise buildings, the Twin Towers and Building 7 were destroyed not by fire as our government has told us, but by controlled demolition with explosives." -- Richard Gage, Founding member of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth "I have 'known' from day-one that the buildings were imploded and that they could not and would not have collapsed from the damage caused by the airplanes that ran into them." -- Daniel B. Barnum, B.Arch, FAIA "[S]ymmetrical collapse is strong evidence of a controlled demolition. A building falling from asymmetrical structural failure would not collapse so neatly, nor so rapidly". -- David A. Johnson, B.Arch, MCP, PhD, F.AICP "Obviously it [WTC 7] was the result of controlled demolition and scheduled to take place during the confusion surrounding the day's events." -- Jack Keller, BS CE, MS Irrigation Eng, PhD Agricultural and Irrigation Eng, PE, F.ASCE "In my opinion the building WTC 7 was, with great probability, professionally demolished". -- Hugo Bachmann, PhD "The [Twin Tower] building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door." -- Frank A. DeMartini, Architect and WTC Construction Manager "I looked at the drawings, the construction and it couldn't be done by fire. So, no, absolutely not." -- Danny Jowenko, Proprietor, Jowenko Explosieve Demolitie B.V. Professors "We have found solid scientific grounds on which to question the interpretation put upon the events of September 11, 2001 by the Office of the President of the United States of America and subsequently propagated by the major media of western nations." -- A. K. Dewdney, PhD, Member Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven "Despite the absence of any visible fire at the time of collapse, the government report alleges WTC Building 7 is the first and only steel-framed high-rise building in the history of mankind to collapse simply as the result of a fire." -- David L. Griscom, Research physicist, Member Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice "Truth, Ethics and Professionalism are completely lacking in the official aftermath and investigations surrounding the 911 disasters. Unfortunately we went to war predicated on lies, sustained in lies, and perpetuated in lies." -- Hamid Mumin, Ph.D., P.Eng., P.Geo. "In my opinion the building WTC 7 was, with great probability, professionally demolished". -- Jorg Schneider, Dr hc, Professor Emeritus, Structural Dynamics and Earthquake Engineering "This is the first time, and this is the worst disaster, but this is the first time that families have been attempted to be silenced through a special fund, . . . I found that the airlines approached members of Congress and the Senate to get their bailout and their immunity and their protection starting on 9/11." -- Mary Schiavo, JD, Former Professor of Aviation "On the basis of photographic and video evidence as well as related data and analyses, I provide thirteen reasons for rejecting the official hypothesis, according to which fire and impact damage caused the collapse of the Twin Towers and WTC 7, in favor of the controlled-demolition hypothesis." -- Steven Jones, PhD, Former Professor of Physics[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=jbright;25020140]29 Structural/Civil Engineers Cite Evidence for Controlled Explosive Demolition in Destruction of All 3 WTC High-Rises on 9/11, June '09 paste into Google and read the report[/QUOTE]Oh, [i]that[/i] site. A site that cites people far out of their field of expertise, tampers with video audio and downright falsifies evidence. You know what? I'm not going to bother. If you're going to quote a bullshit site verbatim, I can do 1 better: I can quote 2 sites that cite proper evidence to debunk that pile of horseshit. [url]http://ae911truth.info/[/url] [url]http://debunking911.com/[/url] As a sample, here's the [b]full[/b] interview with Danny Jowenko, where he unequivocally states the Twin Towers were caused by the plane impacts. It's also interesting to note how the interviewers misled him about WTC 7, and even then he still says he doesn't have enough information to make a proper assessment. [url]http://ae911truth.info/wordpress/ae911truths-case/other-issues/danny-jowenko/[/url]

Atleast address my point then if you're going to simply discredit his sources and invalidate his claims that way.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25021312]Atleast address my point then if you're going to simply discredit his sources and invalidate his claims that way.[/QUOTE] There is no point to address. Your source is a fucking liar.

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;25021398]There is no point to address. Your source is a fucking liar.[/QUOTE] You do know how to read right? Oh well guess not. If you did, you'd realize you're talking about [B]someone else[/B]. I sourced [B]nothing[/B]. I only posted facts and you've not acknowledged it and neither has anyone else, despite however much they'd like to call 'bullshit'.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25021231]Real, logical, rational debate being put into words by this fine upstanding gentlemen. Indubitably.:bravo:[/QUOTE] Indeed. I traditionally start of my debates with a discussion of the subject, to inform bystanders about the basics, but in this case, I elected to use a vicious but deserved ad hominem attack. To answer an above post: I have said this time and time again, almost every disaster in history had a chance, at some point, to be prevented, but the person or people responsible fucked up. Pearl Harbor - the commander of the naval base was criminally incompetent, and ignored the repeated warnings of an imminent air attack. Hurricane Katrina - the maintenance of the levees was inadequate, and the New Orleans government failed to evacuate the city fully. Chernobyl - the plant managers deliberately overrode the safety systems, and the containment domes were weaker than needed. Tenerife Airport - air traffic control did not follow international regulations for communications, and one of the pilots did not wait for confirmation before taking off. RMS Titanic - ship was speeding through the water, ignoring multiple reports of dangerous ice. Space Shuttle Challenger - engineers reported that the O-Rings were unsafe due to temperature, crosswinds were far too high, but management went ahead with launch anyways.

Military now notified immediately of unusual air traffic events LESLIE MILLER; Associated Press Writer HERNDON, Va. (AP) _ The Federal Aviation Administration has stayed in closer contact with the military since Sept. 11 to ensure that fighter jets take off quickly to chase hostile or suspicious aircraft. On Sept. 11, flight controllers suspected around 8:25 a.m. EDT that American Airlines Flight 11 from Boston's Logan Airport had been hijacked, but the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) wasn't notified until 8:40 a.m. _ six minutes before the plane struck the World Trade Center. Today, NORAD would know instantly of a suspected hijacking. "NORAD is now linked up telephonically 24 hours a day, seven days a week, so anything that's an anomaly or a suspected anomaly that's found in the system, NORAD knows about it as quickly as we do," said David Canoles, FAA's manager of air traffic evaluations and investigations. At a NORAD operations center in Cheyenne Mountain in Colorado Springs, Colo., a noncommissioned officer listens to conversations on the FAA network from all over the United States, said Maj. Douglas Martin, NORAD spokesman. "If he hears anything that indicates difficulty in the skies, we begin the staff work to scramble," Martin said. Before Sept. 11, the FAA had to telephone NORAD about any possible hijackings. From Sept. 11 to June, NORAD scrambled jets or diverted combat air patrols 462 times, almost seven times as often as the 67 scrambles from September 2000 to June 2001, Martin said. ...is this considered fact or opinion? 67 scrambles from September 2000 to June 2001, Martin said.

[QUOTE=gman003-main;25021573]Indeed. I traditionally start of my debates with a discussion of the subject, to inform bystanders about the basics, but in this case, I elected to use a vicious but deserved ad hominem attack. To answer an above post: I have said this time and time again, almost every disaster in history had a chance, at some point, to be prevented, but the person or people responsible fucked up. Pearl Harbor - the commander of the naval base was criminally incompetent, and ignored the repeated warnings of an imminent air attack. Hurricane Katrina - the maintenance of the levees was inadequate, and the New Orleans government failed to evacuate the city fully. Chernobyl - the plant managers deliberately overrode the safety systems, and the containment domes were weaker than needed. Tenerife Airport - air traffic control did not follow international regulations for communications, and one of the pilots did not wait for confirmation before taking off. RMS Titanic - ship was speeding through the water, ignoring multiple reports of dangerous ice. Space Shuttle Challenger - engineers reported that the O-Rings were unsafe due to temperature, crosswinds were far too high, but management went ahead with launch anyways.[/QUOTE] However, you're only taking one thing into considerationg: all of those events were due in part to [B]human error[/B]. The titanic only sank because the person turning the wheel was a dyslexic motherfucker who didn't know that left was right, and vice versa. This kind of situation is not the case for the complete 9/11 airspace security failure that took place. Those planes were in the air for [B]hours[/B] [B]and no one did a damn thing. [/B]Now take into human error all you want, but when you have a government as tight on aerospace security as ours (see my previous post for an example) you don't expect shit like that to happen.

And how does that prove the US did 9/11?

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25020869]First off, you sound like a total tool talking to others like that who happen to have a varying opinion. Second, our air defense in the U.S. is capable of scrambling F-15's to deal with any unidentified airplane in our air space. A drunk man took his private jet for a ride back in the 90's and within 15 minutes they had jets on his ass ready to fire in case he crashed into a building. You think that the government suddenly becomes absolutely and utterly incompetent overnight when it comes to defending national assets?[/QUOTE]Before 9/11 NORAD was tasked with identifying and monitoring craft entering US airspace; once they're inside, they're the FAA's business. Mind linking to the private jet thing? The only aircraft intercept from the 90's was Payne Stewart's Learjet in 1999; it took 81 minutes for the flight to be intercepted and the transponder remained on throughout. It took off at 13:19 GMT, the second attempt to contact it went unacknowledged at 13:33, and was intercepted first at 14:54 by an F-16 that was already in the air and in the area at the time. All 4 of the hijacked aircraft on 9/11 had their transponders turned off, communication with Flight 11 was lost 32 minutes before it crashed into WTC 1 Flight 175 crashed into South Tower at 9:03:04, 12 minutes after an FAA controller notices the flight changed it's transponder code twice and attempts to contact it. A minute after the attempted contact, a flight attendant called the company offices informing them of the hijacking. At the time of September 11, NORAD was involved in 2 exercises: Global Guardian and Vigilant Guardian. Although, to their credit, once they finally received the report of a hijacking, they responded quickly (indeed quicker than they would've in non-drill situations as everyone was at their post), although too late. FAA controllers, when they realised there was a problem, had to compare secondary radar (transponder signals) with primary radar, which at the time did not cover everywhere so primary radar contact was lost with Flight 77 for a portion of it's journey. Not to mention the absolute headache of comparing secondary radar signals and matching them up with their corresponding primary (which shows only location of a radar return, doesn't show altitude or transponder information). As it changed course while under primary radar blackout, this led to FAA controllers searching for the plane where it wasn't. [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25021312]Atleast address my point then if you're going to simply discredit his sources and invalidate his claims that way.[/QUOTE]And yes, i'm going to dismiss his sources like that because that is all they deserve. [url]www.ae911truth.org[/url] [B]falsified evidence,[/B] adding explosion sounds into videos where there wasn't any. That is the absolute lowest grade of bullshit and it infuriates me that they even pretend to be telling the truth. Francis Bacon, Isaac Newton, hell, probably every dead, great scientist are rolling in their graves right now. That they would spit on the scientific method like that is nothing short of absolutely disgusting and despicable. And the video tampering is only the tip of the iceberg. [B]EDIT:[/B] Upon closer inspection, it was not ae911truth that edited the videos, but someone else. I apologise for the error, but not for my disgust towards those that edited it, and at ae911truth for using it as evidence.

The people we pick as diplomats are fucking pussies. [editline]01:47PM[/editline] [QUOTE=gman003-main;25014654]And people wonder why we don't like Iran...[/QUOTE] Holy fuck. Do you even know why Iran doesn't like us? It might have something to do with overthrowing their perfectly fine democracy in the 50s and replacing it with a Military dictatorship so we could take all their oil. Gee, I can't imagine what Iran is so upset about. [editline]01:49PM[/editline] Also as a sidenote, in the late 70s when Iran seized the US Embassy, while Reagan was still a candidate for President, he asked Iran to not release the American hostages until after the election so Carter would look like he can't do anything. And guess what, right after the election, Iran released the hostages on Reagan's first day of office.

NEWSFLASH EVERYONE [B]9/11 was caused by Islamic Extremists who wanted to terrorise America by destroying one of its biggest cities' architectural and economical spotlights.[/B]

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25021694]However, you're only taking one thing into considerationg: all of those events were due in part to [B]human error[/B]. The titanic only sank because the person turning the wheel was a dyslexic motherfucker who didn't know that left was right, and vice versa. This kind of situation is not the case for the complete 9/11 airspace security failure that took place. Those planes were in the air for [B]hours[/B] [B]and no one did a damn thing. [/B]Now take into human error all you want, but when you have a government as tight on aerospace security as ours (see my previous post for an example) you don't expect shit like that to happen.[/QUOTE] The planes weren't up there for hours. Not only that, but your prior post supports my claim - they specifically say that those defensive measures were introduced BECAUSE of 9/11. Timeline: 8:13 - last contact with Flight 11 8:20 - ATC decides Flight 11 was probably hijacked 8:34 - Otis Nat'l Guard Air Base notified, pilots begin suiting up 8:37 - NORAD command notified 8:46 - fighters ordered to scramble 8:46 - Flight 11 hits 1 WTC (33 minutes after hijacking) 8:50 - NORAD notified of the impact 8:52 - fighters in the air, continue searching for Flight 11, unaware that it has hit 9:25 - fighters set up patrol over Manhattan 10:28 - 1 WTC collapses 8:42 - Flight 175 hijacked 8:51 - ATC notices Flight 175 also disabled its transponder 9:03 - Flight 175 hits 2 WTC (21 minutes after hijacking) 9:03 - NORAD notified that Flight 175 was hijacked 9:59 - 2 WTC collapses 8:50 - Flight 77 hijacked 8:56 - Flight 77 turns off transponder, begins turning 9:33 - Secret Service notified of possible threat of Flight 77 hitting White House, VP evacuated 9:37 - Flight 77 hits the Pentagon (47 minutes after hijacking) 9:28 - Flight 93 hijacked 9:57 - passenger revolt on Flight 93 begins 10:03 - Flight 93 crashes into Pennsylvanian field (35 minutes after hijacking) 10:07 - NORAD learns that Flight 93 was hijacked 10:10 - VP authorizes a shootdown of Flight 93 [editline]02:59PM[/editline] [QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;25021886]Holy fuck. Do you even know why Iran doesn't like us? It might have something to do with overthrowing their perfectly fine democracy in the 50s and replacing it with a Military dictatorship so we could take all their oil. Gee, I can't imagine what Iran is so upset about.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I know all about the reinstatement of the Shah. I'm not saying Iran doesn't have some legitimate grievances against America. I'm saying that America doesn't like Iran, at least partially, because they've elected (although I question the legitimacy of his 2009 reelection) as president a man who is clearly insane.

the closest the US government came to planning 9/11 was giving bin laden CIA training and that wasn't even related [editline]03:02PM[/editline] [QUOTE=gman003-main;25022026] Yeah, I know all about the reinstatement of the Shah. I'm not saying Iran doesn't have some legitimate grievances against America. I'm saying that America doesn't like Iran, at least partially, because they've elected (although I question the legitimacy of his 2009 reelection) as president a man who is clearly insane.[/QUOTE] oh god they elected someone we don't like DEATH TO IRAN so it's okay for us to hate them because they elected someone retarded but they can't hate us because we elected someone retarded (bush)?

Foil-hatters will use this as evidence to prove 9/11 was a conspiracy. [editline]d[/editline] Oh I see it has already begun.

I'd like to see a troll-face Ahmadinejad with a subtitle of "Problem, America?"

[QUOTE=Red Toaster;25022152]oh god they elected someone we don't like DEATH TO IRAN so it's okay for us to hate them because they elected someone retarded but they can't hate us because we elected someone retarded (bush)?[/QUOTE] Bush was merely incompetent, and honestly was less so than most people think. Ahmadenijad is insane. I've been keeping current on Iran since the Green Revolution attempt, and in that time, I've seen enough things to know that he is not living in reality. To him, EVERYTHING is a Zionist plot. 9/11? America did that, to itself, to have an excuse to PROTECT ISRAEL. The Quran burnings? Zionist pigs! DESTROY ISRAEL! Iran has a surprisingly large army. Eighth largest in the world by troop count. 1,800 tanks. 305 fighter aircraft. It's not a serious threat to the continued existence of America, but if Iran goes "fuck it, kill them all", it would do some serious damage. And Ahmadenijad is fully willing to let Iran martyr itself to destroy it's enemies.

My biggest problem, well kind of, is that he says nearly everyone believes the American Government was behind 9/11, or something like that. Even a high school student knows the stupidity in making baseless comments. I want to see where he's getting the impression that a lot of people think it was so. I'm a stickler for citations, proper statistics, and the like, and when you have something like this without, seemingly, any evidence to back it up, it frustrates me.

No deal. He sounds like a massive overreactor