[QUOTE=faze;34264953]Most people's reply to this:
"but but but the criminal has a family and feelings too!!!"
I bet they'd think again when something shitty happens to them. They'll be wishing they had their weapon handy.[/QUOTE]
You hit my response to your post above directly; well done!
People would call us gun enthusiasts but it's about so much more than that. I don't own a gun cause I'm scared. I own a gun because I'm ready. (and because I get a great deal of enjoyment out of target shooting and building firearms)
[QUOTE=nivek;34264922]
Evey one has an opinion on others lives until theirs is in jeopardy. Anyone who thinks an attacker deserves his life would quickly change their minds if it we their families lives on the line.[/QUOTE]
To me personally it's not that the attackers don't deserve their lives. It's that the victims deserve to defend their lives even if it means killing the attacker.
[QUOTE=markg06;34256740]Yeah pulling a gun on someone who's in a mental state to torture someone would be a great idea we could've had a story about a family being killed instead.[/QUOTE]
To be honest I would rather die than be tortured and most likely end up getting killed anyway.
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;34264985]To me personally it's not that the attackers don't deserve their lives. It's that the victims deserve to defend their lives even if it means killing the attacker.[/QUOTE]
That's what I'm saying. In a defense situation you don't have time to ask that attacker if he intend to kill you or not so you can spare his life.
Would you instantly shoot someone breaking into your house or would you keep your gun on the person and call the police?
[QUOTE=Carne;34265022]Would you instantly shoot someone breaking into your house or would you keep your gun on the person and call the police?[/QUOTE]
I'd inform them very sternly and loudly that my wife and I are armed and they are to exit immediately. If the next move they make is not out the door, I will open fire until they stop moving.
[QUOTE=nivek;34264983]You hit my response to your post above directly; well done!
People would call us gun enthusiasts but it's about so much more than that. I don't own a gun cause I'm scared. I own a gun because I'm ready. (and because I get a great deal of enjoyment out of target shooting and building firearms)[/QUOTE]
Yeah I love guns, and I love feeling protected when I am asleep. I'm not paranoid, but shit does happen and it's better to be safe than sorry.
[QUOTE=Carne;34265022]Would you instantly shoot someone breaking into your house or would you keep your gun on the person and call the police?[/QUOTE]
To me personally that depends on the nature of the break in, If I can remain silent and safely call the police I will do that and avoid having to shoot them at whatever cost. But I will be ready to shoot them in any situation.
It's not like I want to kill anyone at any point in my life. I'm sure others will agree...
Like Faze stated above I would rack my shotgun as their only warning.
[QUOTE=Carne;34265022]Would you instantly shoot someone breaking into your house or would you keep your gun on the person and call the police?[/QUOTE]
I'm not entirely sure since this has never personally happened to me, but I do know people that have had it happen to them.
I would probably shoot immediately though. If you pull a gun on someone with the intention of simply using it as a deterrent and that person happens to also have a gun and has no moral qualms about shooting you then that would be a good way to get killed.
Sensationalist Headlines, making me feel great about the world we live in each and every day...
[QUOTE=nivek;34265085]To me personally that depends on the nature of the break in, If I can remain silent and safely call the police I will do that and avoid having to shoot them at whatever cost. But I will be ready to shoot them in any situation.
It's not like I want to kill anyone at any point in my life. I'm sure others will agree...[/QUOTE]
Yeah if you have to shoot somebody, you'll be sued more than likely so you want to avoid that. The second you hear something call 911...and while on the phone do what I said above, informing them you're armed, etc. 911 records everything, so you'll cover your ass if something does happen.
[editline]17th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;34265095]I'm not entirely sure since this has never personally happened to me, but I do know people that have had it happen to them.
I would probably shoot immediately though. If you pull a gun on someone with the intention of simply using it as a deterrent and that person happens to also have a gun and has no moral qualms about shooting you then that would be a good way to get killed.[/QUOTE]
You don't want to shoot right away. Don't present yourself to them with your weapon. Tell them you are armed and if you hear them moving towards you, be ready to fire when you see them. Don't go looking for them.
[QUOTE=faze;34265113]
You don't want to shoot right away. Don't present yourself to them with your weapon. Tell them you are armed and if you hear them moving towards you, be ready to fire when you see them. Don't go looking for them.[/QUOTE]If I had the element of surprise I would probably do that. But I have pretty bad hearing so the odds of me knowing someone is breaking in before actually seeing them is pretty slim.
And of course I don't actually carry a gun on my person so if I did see someone break in I would pretty much have to surrender and hope for the best.
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;34265095]I'm not entirely sure since this has never personally happened to me, but I do know people that have had it happen to them.
I would probably shoot immediately though. If you pull a gun on someone with the intention of simply using it as a deterrent and that person happens to also have a gun and has no moral qualms about shooting you then that would be a good way to get killed.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to somewhat agree, If I pulled the gun on them I would shoot, odds are I would announce the fact that I am armed from a separate part of the house and await their response...
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[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;34265167]If I had the element of surprise I would probably do that. But I have pretty bad hearing so the odds of me knowing someone is breaking in before actually seeing them is pretty slim.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, tell him you're armed, hell let him hear you charge your weapon too. Most people will go away from that noise. If he comes towards you, find a hard point and be ready to shoot. Make sure 911 is on the phone. Always speak loudly.
[editline]17th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=nivek;34265183]I'm going to somewhat agree, If I pulled the gun on them I would shoot, odds are I would announce the fact that I am armed from a separate part of the house and await their response...[/QUOTE]
Best thing to do. I think NRA training tells you to do that too.
[QUOTE=faze;34265201]Best thing to do. I think NRA training tells you to do that too.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I'd prefer the announcement, espicially since there is a slight chance it could be a family member or friend for whatever reason, and they could have created a sound that sounded like a break it or something of that nature (or they forgot their keys? Who knows) So I'd do my best to investigate before I just ran around shooting...
[QUOTE=Carne;34265022]Would you instantly shoot someone breaking into your house or would you keep your gun on the person and call the police?[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure most people would announce they were armed and tell the person to leave (or get on the ground) before opening fire, if the person keeps advancing.
[QUOTE=nivek;34264922]Becuase a gun can stop the attacker before he has a chance to take you hostage. Anyone can drop a scenario and make the gun the bad guy, but the truth is in most situations having a gun to defend yourself sure will even the odds.
Who would rather be tortured than have their other shoot a criminal and put them in danger? I understand what you're trying to say, but the way I think of it is when a gun is present in your home, it is your responsibility to know how to use it properly and respect it, and make sure everyone in that house also knows how to respect it properly, and use it.[/QUOTE]
Keep in mind that this was a household with children. For the gun to actually be useful for self defense it would have to be easily and quickly accessible, and having a gun around children [i]not[/i] secured in some way is downright irresponsible. The same thing would have happened here to a responsible gun owner.
[QUOTE=nivek;34265258]Yeah I'd prefer the announcement, espicially since there is a slight chance it could be a family member or friend for whatever reason, and they could have created a sound that sounded like a break it or something of that nature (or they forgot their keys? Who knows) So I'd do my best to investigate before I just ran around shooting...[/QUOTE]
Yeah, any noise when some intruder in your house will make you freak out, especially at 3AM.
CYA...always CYA.
[editline]17th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34265266]Keep in mind that this was a household with children. For the gun to actually be useful for self defense it would have to be easily and quickly accessible, and having a gun around children [i]not[/i] secured in some way is downright irresponsible. The same thing would have happened here to a responsible gun owner.[/QUOTE]
Not if the kids are educated and respect weapons. I was educated at an early age, like 3 and I never went for guns outside of the range or cleaning them.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34265266]Keep in mind that this was a household with children. For the gun to actually be useful for self defense it would have to be easily and quickly accessible, and having a gun around children [i]not[/i] secured in some way is downright irresponsible. The same thing would have happened here to a responsible gun owner.[/QUOTE]
I agree, no one should leave guns just laying about. But she would have had time to access a safe, but I'm not just speaking on behalf of this scenario, no one can predict what would happen even if she was armed with a lightsaber. It's all just speculations. In my opinion if she had the time to access a gun and make a move for her husband it would have evened the odds should she know how to properly use that weapon.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34265266]Keep in mind that this was a household with children. For the gun to actually be useful for self defense it would have to be easily and quickly accessible, and having a gun around children [i]not[/i] secured in some way is downright irresponsible. The same thing would have happened here to a responsible gun owner.[/QUOTE]
My dad has a giant heavy armored safe who only he and my mother knows the code to, and they can both open it in under three seconds. There's loaded magazines and guns right in there, ready to load and lock and roll and rock. No children can access it easily and every time there is children in the house everyone puts their weapons in the safe and it is locked up.
Most children around the age of 7 in my family are taught about guns and gun safety, and why to respect the weapons.
No one in my family has been accidentally shot or ever will be.
[QUOTE=Bound;34265302]My dad has a giant heavy armored safe who only he and my mother knows the code to, and they can both open it in under three seconds. There's loaded magazines and guns right in there, ready to load and lock and roll and rock. No children can access it easily and every time there is children in the house everyone puts their weapons in the safe and it is locked up.[/QUOTE]
You want at least a handgun in your nightstand. If you have kids, like I said, educate them. If you're a good enough parent you will know how to do this.
[QUOTE=faze;34265287]
Not if the kids are educated and respect weapons. I was educated at an early age, like 3 and I never went for guns outside of the range or cleaning them.[/QUOTE]
I'd educate my kids about the dangers of Draino but I still wouldn't leave the bottle sitting out in the open.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34265312]I'd educate my kids about the dangers of Draino but I still wouldn't leave the bottle sitting out in the open.[/QUOTE]
I doubt they would go drink it if they knew it was harmful.
[QUOTE=Bound;34265302]My dad has a giant heavy armored safe who only he and my mother knows the code to, and they can both open it in under three seconds. There's loaded magazines and guns right in there, ready to load and lock and roll and rock. No children can access it easily and every time there is children in the house everyone puts their weapons in the safe and it is locked up.[/QUOTE]
That's great, but the three seconds to open it plus the 10+ to get it out and load it is time that I'd rather spend running to make sure the rest of my family is safe. For me, getting the gun would always be step two
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34265340]That's great, but the three seconds to open it plus the 10+ to get it out and load it is time that I'd rather spend running to make sure the rest of my family is safe. For me, getting the gun would always be step two[/QUOTE]
If you get there and they're in harm's way and you have no gun then...?
It wouldn't be facepunch without an argument about either guns, religion or circumcision
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34265312]I'd educate my kids about the dangers of Draino but I still wouldn't leave the bottle sitting out in the open.[/QUOTE]
Because draino can't save your families lives from an attack ranging from human to animal.
[QUOTE=faze;34265318]I doubt they would go drink it if they knew it was harmful.[/QUOTE]
You don't know kids then, I almost drank Windex once even though I knew what it was
I really, [i]really[/i] liked blueberry kool-aid
[editline]17th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=nivek;34265353]Because draino can't save your families lives from an attack ranging from human to animal.[/QUOTE]
Draino is moderately useful and moderately dangerous, guns can be immensely useful but are also immensely dangerous so it balances out. Just don't confuse the two, or you will break your sink
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34265360]You don't know kids then, I almost drank Windex once even though I knew what it was
I really, [i]really[/i] liked blueberry kool-aid
[editline]17th January 2012[/editline]
Draino is moderately useful and moderately dangerous, guns can be immensely useful but are also immensely dangerous so it balances out[/QUOTE]
I get what your point is, but like most ani-gun people, you're beating around the point here.
[editline]17th January 2012[/editline]
That is how you feel, and if you feel that way then don't have a gun in your home, I have the right to and will always keep a variety of guns locked and safe in my home. That's the beauty of freedom.
But I'll bet if your family was ever attacked you'd want a gun.
[QUOTE=nivek;34265390]I get what your point is, but like most ani-gun people, you're beating around the point here.
[editline]17th January 2012[/editline]
That is how you feel, and if you feel that way then don't have a gun in your home, I have the right to and will always keep a variety of guns locked and safe in my home. That's the beauty of freedom.
But I'll bet if your family was ever attacked you'd want a gun.[/QUOTE]
Well I don't have kids yet, but I was raised correctly. I know how to handle children and tell them right from wrong.
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