A social democrat in Sweden wants to give ISIS-defectors support in form of work and housing. And it - Polidicks

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49138080]If they came back they'd be under surveillance. The connections they used to join Isis could also become known to security services, finding other potential recruits or recruiters.[/QUOTE] You've conveniently ignored my objections to this? Can I get a response to what I said, and see if this changes your mind, or if it doesn't or at least what you think about what I said?

[QUOTE=Rumbler;49138435]You've conveniently ignored my objections to this? Can I get a response to what I said, and see if this changes your mind, or if it doesn't or at least what you think about what I said?[/QUOTE] I think I concluded you were using emotion rather than logic when you called me "dangerous, naive and sick" your complaint seems to be mostly about the native part. A swede should be a swede, a native swede is not worth more than a none native swede. "2nd class citizenship" based on whether or not you are native is directly opposed to the meritocratic values we hold dear. I assumed when he said swede he meant swedish citizen. Was that how this disagreement arose? Onto the other part about "why should i pay for them". If they are rehabilitated and can begin to contribute to society in a meaningful way then whats the issue. You don't complain about your taxes paying for education coz you know in a few years their taxes will be paying for you roads and in a few decades their taxes will be paying for your pension. Frankly I find it hard to respond to you. You are aggressive and liberal with your insults and accusations. An argument is only worth addressing when there is hope it will be received in a logical manner. Your calling me sick, several times, and automatically assuming the worst from my points (eg where I say they might be rehabilitated you read "live entirely off the state forever and be free to continue terrorism") makes me suspect you are just going to disagree with everything I say regardless of its merit.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49138485]A swede should be a swede, a native swede is not worth more than a none native swede.[/QUOTE] This goes both ways. A non-native Swede isn't worth more than a native Swede either. What this does is fuel an already massive housing crisis. In Stockholm the average waiting time for a usually small apartment in the outskirts/suburban areas is [B]6-7 years[/B]. Refugees are already getting similar treatment, the difference there is I feel at least they can get their assistance [B]justified[/B]. That said, that's another couple thousand people right there (120,000 refugees this year, not sure how many of them are located in Stockholm) who add to said housing crisis. My point being, with a housing crisis as it is, prioritizing anyone at all is a terrible thing to do - especially when an additional prioritization group is [I]literally [/I]ex-ISIS members or people who sympathize with the ideology to the point of considering joining.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;49138521]This goes both ways. A non-native Swede isn't worth more than a native Swede either. What this does is fuel an already massive housing crisis. In Stockholm the average waiting time for a usually small apartment in the outskirts/suburban areas is [B]6-7 years[/B]. Refugees are already getting similar treatment, the difference there is I feel at least they can get their assistance [B]justified[/B]. That said, that's another couple thousand people right there (120,000 refugees this year, not sure how many of them are located in Stockholm) who add to said housing crisis. My point being, with a housing crisis as it is, prioritizing anyone at all is a terrible thing to do - especially when an additional prioritization group is [I]literally [/I]ex-ISIS members or people who sympathize with the ideology to the point of considering joining.[/QUOTE] Uh, have you any idea about the scale here? We're talking about dozens of people, not thousands. Seems like a small price to pay for a safer Sweden.

Considering the situation in France and all of the recent acts of terrorism in the past two decades (the Jewish school shootings, the charlie hebdo shootings and the Paris attacks from a few days ago), I'd say this is good. What people may not realize is that the majority of the perpetrators of these acts in France were people who felt forgotten, shoved aside and otherwise discriminated against by the government and the nation as a whole. ISIS recruits people (especially in France) by playing on their insecurity and by their growing sentiment that their culture, their heritage and their religion are all at risk due to a persecuting government that looks down on them as second class citizens. All they have to do to recruit most people is to get on twitter, get on facebook, contact them via these means and eventually get them to join the ranks by just promising them a better place to be than wherever they currently are. Treating them as scum of the world if they defect and come back isn't going to help - you're going to help ISIS if anything, by directly motivating them to keep using the "they don't want you, but we do" recruitment tactic that's worked out tremendously well for them so far. Actually treating your own citizens of your own nation that you govern as deserving people with rights and giving them a shot at not being terrorists by actually granting them some opportunities isn't a bad thing. Besides, nobody will join ISIS and kill people miles and miles down south just to come back and get benefits, while making very dangerous enemies in the process. And if people do that, it'll be such an absurdly small margin that even considering it would be moronic. [editline]a[/editline] Doesn't mean they should receive complete amnesty if they've actually committed any crimes like murder and whatnot though, they're still criminals. But treating them like dead meat isn't gonna help.

Well, if anyone were to agree to come to this sort of political asylum, then they're basically begging to have the eye of intelligence agencies following them thereafter incase they're merely exploiting it and even if they weren't, so it's kind of a trap for idiots in that sense.

I wouldn't mind watching Sweden's slow suicide if our shithole politicians didn't follow you guys like shadows to your grave.

If you fight for ISIS you should be charged for treason in my opinion... no other way to cut it

An update on this: As of Sweden going onto threat level 4, the prime minister Stefan Löfven has made it clear in a recent press conference that people who go to Syria to fight for and with ISIS will, if they return, be faced with criminal charges. Joining terrorist-programs and terrorist-groups will now be classified as a criminal offense. Lövfen also says the government has been "naive". Source: [url]http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article21792719.ab[/url] (Aftonbladet is basically DailyMail but hey)