• Toys R Us agree to stop separating products by gender after pressure from campaign
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[QUOTE=sgman91;42134512]I would rather embrace and celebrate real biological differences than ignore them and force everyone to be the same. [/QUOTE] I don't want to force anybody to be anything. I want to force the environment in which they will develop and choose their affliction to be neutral and not influence them one way or another. You could argue that payment and education disparity is "natural" as well, but there are well documented proofs that it's largely artificial and limits many people from developing freely. I sure as fuck hope you won't.
[QUOTE=supersnail11;42134299]i got one and i tried using it and it tasted like shit[/QUOTE] when you're a kid it looks like a fucking gift from god though my own oven? cakes and cookies just for me?? wow!
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42134490]even if kids did biologically like their gender fitting toys, why should we seperate the aisles? not every kid is gonna be like that. not all girls like girly toys, and not every boy likes boyish toys. it might be prevalent that a majority of [I]monkeys[/I] instinctively act that way but humans are a lot more conscious when it comes to what they enjoy compared to more basic primates, they're influenced by their surroundings constantly so i think these biological 'facts' you're providing shouldn't be put in to account as much as you want them to be. [editline]9th September 2013[/editline] [/QUOTE] Because there is no giant mechanical fun-chute that sorts the children into their respective aisles, that only happens to the toys.
I don't see the issue with this, I mean sure the fact people started a campaign over it is stupid. But in the end it doesn't harm anyone, which is probably why Toys R Us gave in.
[QUOTE=sgman91;42134606]How dare supermarkets make alcohol drinkers feel bad by putting it all in one isle! They should spread it around the store so that people don't know they are buying alcohol and can't judge them for it. The problem here isn't that toys are organized in a logical manner. The problem is that someone is looked down on for buying the "wrong" toy. You are just ignoring this issue by doing things like reorganizing the store to make it less obvious.[/QUOTE] that's a terrible comparison. alcohol actually is sorted for a reason, that being the existance of a legal age limit. alcohol is harmful to younger humans and actually has a reason for being limited to a certain part of the store
[QUOTE=sgman91;42134512]If there are actual biological differences in toy choices between boys and girls it makes perfect sense to organize a story by those differences.[/QUOTE] Not if it means kids are picked upon for choosing the "wrong" toys :v:
I was hoping they would lower their ridiculous prices instead.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;42134625]-snip automerge destroyed-[/QUOTE] if we continue to seperate by gender, it's just going to reinforce the other children in looking down on those who stray from the normals.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;42134625]Not if it means kids are picked upon for choosing the "wrong" toys :v:[/QUOTE] The problem is the getting picked on, not the store's organization. You really think the kids get picked on while buying the toy and not while playing with it? This sort of thing ignores the real issues.
[QUOTE=Chief Martini;42134509]You're ignoring the immense amount of biological and psycho-social similarities between monkeys and humans. And while we as humans obviously entertain a more complex society and physiological existence, these similarities (while not heavy enough of a weight to ignore opportunities of social 'improvement') should not be ignored.[/QUOTE] I agree. for instance, people have neglected the psycho-social importance of throwing our own shit at each other
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42134620]that's a terrible comparison. alcohol actually is sorted for a reason, that being the existance of a legal age limit. alcohol is harmful to younger humans and actually has a reason for being limited to a certain part of the store[/QUOTE] Use candy instead. Instead of addressing the fundamental issue of people being made fun of for making the "wrong" choices you are simply trying to let them hide from society by making it not obvious.
[QUOTE=sgman91;42134606]How dare supermarkets make alcohol drinkers feel bad by putting it all in one isle! They should spread it around the store so that people don't know they are buying alcohol and can't judge them for it. The problem here isn't that toys are organized in a logical manner. The problem is that someone is looked down on for buying the "wrong" toy. You are just ignoring this issue by doing things like reorganizing the store to make it less obvious.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=sgman91;42134643]The problem is the getting picked on, not the store's organization. You really think the kids get picked on while buying the toy and not while playing with it? This sort of thing ignores the real issues.[/QUOTE] Where do you suggest we try to solve the problem then?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;42134659]Where do you suggest we try to solve the problem then?[/QUOTE] Honestly, it must happen in the home. Parents are the single biggest influence on their kids lives. If parents teach their kids that what other people play with doesn't matter then kids won't care.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;42134614]I don't understand what you mean that we should embrace and celebrate our biological differences, what exactly does this embracing and celebrating imply? The differenses are too minor to play a big part in our society, anyway. I also want to question your logic when you're implying that by removing the gender separation we are forcing people to be the same? I'm sorry but; what? Aren't we giving individuals the opportunity to be even more unique by not telling them what they can and can't play with? I mean if we think about it`; if the world was equal, out of the 100% of toys, 50% should be for girls and 50% should be for boy - this is not ofcourse the case, I'd guess a bigger ratio is for boys and some toys aren't gender specified but that's not the point - so you're essentially limiting kids.[/QUOTE] The existence of the toys in non-essential, that falls to supply and demand. The choice of which toy to buy falls to the child, and perhaps to a discerning parent. Save the guardianship clause, there is NO-ONE and NOTHING forcing a child to buy toys he doesn't like or not buy toys he does like. If a child wants something pink, wouldn't it make it one hell of a lot easier if he can just turn his head and see where the pink things are? Mish-mashing them up to hide traditional gender toy roles is just counter-productive. You might as well organize a movie store according to alternating lead skin color, so we don't get any bad ideas about race.
[QUOTE=sgman91;42134658]Use candy instead. Instead of addressing the fundamental issue of people being made fun of for making the "wrong" choices you are simply trying to let them hide from society by making it not obvious.[/QUOTE] not seperating toys by a binary identifier is a step towards giving kids the idea that playing with x toys instead of y is alright. kids will go to a store and see them all mixed in with each other and think they're not so different in the end. [editline]9th September 2013[/editline] what do you suggest we do to get rid of that problem you're hinting at?
no seriously toys r us has outrageous prices can we lower them
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42134704]not seperating toys by a binary identifier is a step towards giving kids the idea that playing with x toys instead of y is alright. kids will go to a store and see them all mixed in with each other and think they're not so different in the end. [editline]9th September 2013[/editline] what do you suggest we do to get rid of that problem you're hinting at?[/QUOTE] You have any evidence to back that up? I know I would have thought, "Man, this store has the worst organization I've ever seen." No thought of gender would have come into my mind. Going into a toy story a couple times is not going to have any measurable effect over things like parents, friends, media, etc.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;42134625]Not if it means kids are picked upon for choosing the "wrong" toys :v:[/QUOTE] Again, it is the fault of society promoting the picking upon of different people. There will always be a truck group of kids, and a doll group of kids, and that is solely due to the fact that they like those toys. Whether or not those kids pick on the other kids for not liking similar toys is more a question of parenting.
[QUOTE=Turnips5;42134652]I agree. for instance, people have neglected the psycho-social importance of throwing our own shit at each other[/QUOTE] thats weird i dont remember typing anything about shit-throwing
I was an only child, and my favourite toys were batman action figures and lego I'm bisexual those cursed batman figures with his rippling abs turned me half gay I don't think whether your toys are labeled boy or girl matters much at all. That being said, if it doesn't matter a whole lot, why bother doing it at all. Just don't segregate the toys. Just organize them based on their type of toy and leave that gender related crap out of it.
I work at Toy's R Us, this is a welcomed change!
I thought of this image where this guy had given his daughter some toy cars and she put them into a bed like dolls but I couldn't remember the name. I typed "Pink Cars in bed" and have only just realised how bad that sounds. Also on the topic, is this going to make the aisles mixed up like action men with the guns and barbies? Or is it just removing of the signs saying "Girls toys" And "Boys toys"
[QUOTE=sgman91;42134685]Honestly, it must happen in the home. Parents are the single biggest influence on their kids lives. If parents teach their kids that what other people play with doesn't matter then kids won't care.[/QUOTE] But how do you make parents teach kids this? You can't, atleast not on a scale big enough to adress the issue. The reason for why parents aren't teaching kids this already is because [I]they[/I] grew up in these gender roles. And you know why they did? Because society encourages it.
[QUOTE=goldenbuttocks;42134710]no seriously toys r us has outrageous prices can we lower them[/QUOTE] That is referred to in toy circles as "capital-T, capital-E, [I]The[/I] [I]Ec[/I]onomy". Except when something goes out of stock before they expect it to. Then they'll bump the price up hard because they're [B]dicks[/B].
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;42134744]But how do you make parents teach kids this? You can't, atleast not on a scale big enough to adress the issue. The reason for why parents aren't teaching kids this already is because [I]they[/I] grew up in these gender roles. And you know why they did? Because society encourages it.[/QUOTE] That's the problem, isn't it? Society is simply a group of individuals and society can only change if individuals change.
[QUOTE=sgman91;42134717]You have any evidence to back that up? I know I would have thought, "Man, this store has the worst organization I've ever seen." No thought of gender would have come into my mind. Going into a toy story a couple times is not going to have any measurable effect over things like parents, friends, media, etc.[/QUOTE] I don't know where the idea that the stores are going to stop organizng the toy aisles and just let it devolve into chaos with out a gender barrier. Uh, no. They'll still be organized, and we just won't have to see anymore "pink stuff demonstrating girls playing with girl toys" and "baby blue stuff showing boys playing with boy toys". That's going to affect the views of both parents, and the kids at some level.
[QUOTE=sgman91;42134717]You have any evidence to back that up? I know I would have thought, "Man, this store has the worst organization I've ever seen." No thought of gender would have come into my mind. Going into a toy story a couple times is not going to have any measurable effect over things like parents, friends, media, etc.[/QUOTE] how about the store just organizes things by type of toy rather than gender? heck, what if they arranged it alphabetically or by some other, far more organized system?
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;42134695]The existence of the toys in non-essential, that falls to supply and demand. The choice of which toy to buy falls to the child, and perhaps to a discerning parent. Save the guardianship clause, there is NO-ONE and NOTHING forcing a child to buy toys he doesn't like or not buy toys he does like. If a child wants something pink, wouldn't it make it one hell of a lot easier if he can just turn his head and see where the pink things are? Mish-mashing them up to hide traditional gender toy roles is just counter-productive. You might as well organize a movie store according to alternating lead skin color, so we don't get any bad ideas about race.[/QUOTE] if a kid wants a pink toy, they can look for the pink one. there is no evidence pointing towards girls biologically having an attraction to the colour pink, and indeed, boys towards blue. where do we stop and start with where we seperate the toys? there is no possible answer to that.
[QUOTE=sgman91;42134759]That's the problem, isn't it? Society is simply a group of individuals and society can only change if individuals change.[/QUOTE] well clearly it produced a generation of people who are starting to disagree with a lot of the old status quo ideas without having had them raised by parents of the same type. People do learn to think from themselves independent of parental authority on occasion. if parents raised their kids to be just like them, we'd never see gay people without the first gay parent, which would require a gay parent. makes no sense.
[QUOTE=sgman91;42134717]You have any evidence to back that up? I know I would have thought, "Man, this store has the worst organization I've ever seen." No thought of gender would have come into my mind. Going into a toy story a couple times is not going to have any measurable effect over things like parents, friends, media, etc.[/QUOTE] it wouldn't have any instantaneous effect, i said it's a step. it's something that [I]could[/I] happen. it would do more good for equality in children's viewpoints than continuing to pointlessly seperate the toys by gender rather than by type or colour.
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