Julian Assange Responds to Increasing US Government Attacks on WikiLeaks - Polidicks

[QUOTE=jjsullivan;23860223]He's a sociopath, some things he has let through may help. But this is definitely questionable.[/QUOTE] How is he a sociopath for leaking documents that reveal how poorly the war is going?

Breaking the law! Breaking the law!

shoulda waited til the war was over to leak the documents

[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;23860419]shoulda waited til the war was over to leak the documents[/QUOTE] heh yeah maybe

Freedom of information is worth any amount of death.

[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;23860419]shoulda waited til the war was over to leak the documents[/QUOTE] Yeah, what, five years from now after thousands more deaths? These kinds of things sway public opinion away from the war even more. If enough people complain, you get a withdrawal. If it weren't for the Pentagon Papers during the Vietnam war, the war may have continued on longer than it did, and it is still the longest war in U.S. history. If this gets soldiers withdrawn a year or two, or hell, six months ahead of schedule, then its even better. You're saving far more lives than were ever risked.

[QUOTE=Zeddy;23862138]Yeah, what, five years from now after thousands more deaths? These kinds of things sway public opinion away from the war even more. If enough people complain, you get a withdrawal. If it weren't for the Pentagon Papers during the Vietnam war, the war may have continued on longer than it did, and it is still the longest war in U.S. history. If this gets soldiers withdrawn a year or two, or hell, six months ahead of schedule, then its even better. You're saving far more lives than were ever risked.[/QUOTE] Yeah, American lives, but we don't give a damn about Afghan lives. :downs: I do hope the soldiers who did these atrocities do get in trouble though. This is despicable about what they did.

[QUOTE=Ki Adi Mundi;23854665]I understand the guys' reasoning for leaking the info. But, still, it's just wrong. [B] Don't get me wrong- there is MUCH wrong with this conflict, and some of it needs to be drug out in to the light to be seen for what it really is. [/B] But there is a time and place for that- neither of which occur here and now. [B]Because of their selfish, liberal agenda,[/B] lives may be at stake. Not only American lives, but those of our allies, and the Afghan soldiers. Albeit, they're corrupt as hell, but still... This is treason, no matter how you slice it. I personally hope all of them fry, literally, in the electric chair- on public television. This is unacceptable behavior, and needs to be dealt with accordingly, and severely, in hopes to prevent another such act. As for the foreign founder of the website, he should still be charged and convicted. Not sure how hard that would stick, but it needs to be done. He disregarded the potential damage to soldiers in the field he caused by releasing this, so I say his personal freedoms should equally be disregarded, and trampled on.[/QUOTE] can you say contradiction? the rest is just retarded. This guy doesn't realise Julian is fucking Australian and not American. [editline]06:06AM[/editline] [QUOTE=jjsullivan;23860223]He's a sociopath, some things he has let through may help. But this is definitely questionable.[/QUOTE] Assange is a very much sane and respectable person

[QUOTE=Zeddy;23862138]Yeah, what, five years from now after thousands more deaths? These kinds of things sway public opinion away from the war even more. If enough people complain, you get a withdrawal. If it weren't for the Pentagon Papers during the Vietnam war, the war may have continued on longer than it did, and it is still the longest war in U.S. history. If this gets soldiers withdrawn a year or two, or hell, six months ahead of schedule, then its even better. You're saving far more lives than were ever risked.[/QUOTE] So you're willing to risk innocent lives to stop a war? All you care about is how many lives, not whose.

Innocent lives have been dying already.

[QUOTE=Ki Adi Mundi;23854665]This is treason, no matter how you slice it. I personally hope all of them fry, literally, in the electric chair- on public television. This is unacceptable behavior, and needs to be dealt with accordingly, and severely, in hopes to prevent another such act. As for the foreign founder of the website, he should still be charged and convicted. Not sure how hard that would stick, but it needs to be done.[/QUOTE] What the fuck is this, 1984?

[QUOTE=Warhol;23863043]Innocent lives have been dying already.[/QUOTE] "We already have the blood on our hands, lets add some more to get the job done." This reminds me of Maelon from Mass Effect 2.

[QUOTE=Warhol;23863043]Innocent lives have been dying already.[/QUOTE] So lets risk more, great point.

To everyone supporting this, they should probably believe in two wrongs make a right. If not, you're all hypocrites :downs:

[QUOTE=Ragy;23863325]So lets risk more, great point.[/QUOTE] Just one of the many cases of not reading or thinking. If the war is ended sooner, less lives are lost. A causes B. You remove A and you prevent B. The war causes high numbers of deaths. You stop the war and you prevent a high number of deaths. Think, people. Its not hard.

Its a war that America shouldnt of dragged all of there allies into, America deserves this.

[QUOTE=Zeddy;23863418]Just one of the many cases of not reading or thinking. If the war is ended sooner, less lives are lost. A causes B. You remove A and you prevent B. The war causes high numbers of deaths. You stop the war and you prevent a high number of deaths. Think, people. Its not hard.[/QUOTE] With that idea if blowing up a building of innocent fathers, mothers, and kids ends a war faster, lets do it. Hell, who cares who it kills, as long as it ends the war faster, it's ok right? It's sad that you would rather risk innocent lives to save those of soldiers who signed up knowing what they were going into.

[QUOTE=Swilly;23863371]To everyone supporting this, they should probably believe in two wrongs make a right. If not, you're all hypocrites :downs:[/QUOTE] I hate the saying "Two wrongs don't make a right" because it is so circumstantial and basically projects a world of just Black and White. Don't use that saying ever again. But on the topic of your post, wrong is a subjective term. Some people believe homosexuality is wrong. Some people however, like me, believe its right. Some people believe the leak was wrong, some people believe it was right. And you know what, I'd rather have the lesser of two evils (if the leak even qualifies as an "evil"). A handful of extra deaths now to prevent hundreds and thousands in the future. My conscience will be happy. [editline]12:57AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Ragy;23863463]With that idea if blowing up a building of innocent fathers, mothers, and kids ends a war faster, lets do it. Hell, who cares who it kills, as long as it ends the war faster, it's ok right?[/QUOTE] Hyperbole. [editline]12:59AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Ragy;23863463]It's sad that you would rather risk innocent lives to save those of soldiers who signed up knowing what they were going into.[/QUOTE] Soldiers, many more innocent lives, you know.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23863463]With that idea if blowing up a building of innocent fathers, mothers, and kids ends a war faster, lets do it. Hell, who cares who it kills, as long as it ends the war faster, it's ok right? It's sad that you would rather risk innocent lives to save those of soldiers who signed up knowing what they were going into.[/QUOTE] Alot of these files are meant to help reveal the fucking atrocities commited against innocents.

[QUOTE=Zeddy;23863522]Hyperbole.[/QUOTE] Yes, avoid my post by calling it a hyperbole. [editline]06:02AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;23863580]Alot of these files are meant to help reveal the fucking atrocities commited against innocents.[/QUOTE] So lets kill a few more to release them. Releasing papers are not worth lives.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23863589]Yes, avoid my post by calling it a hyperbole.[/QUOTE] Its a terrible "argument" (if it dare be called that). But more importantly, the point it attempted to make has been addressed already.

[QUOTE=Zeddy;23863665]Its a terrible "argument" (if it dare be called that). But more importantly, the point it attempted to make has been addressed already.[/QUOTE] It may be a bit extreme, but it's the same point that you're arguing. Explain why it's alright then to risk innocent lives to save the lives of trained soldiers?

[QUOTE=Ragy;23863589]So lets kill a few more to release them. Releasing papers are not worth lives.[/QUOTE]Lets take this in to mathematical terms. 49,600 deaths roughly over the almost nine year course of the war. That's 5511 on average yearly. Every year another 5511 people will die in Afghanistan. So if the war continues on for two more years, 11022 people will die. But, if these paper cause the war to end even six months early, the number is cut down by 25% to 8267 That means that 2755 people would have to die as a result of these papers being released for it to be equivalant in terms of casualties. This hardly takes in to account the effect of having less money dumped in to the war, which means more for spending at home. Less psychological stress on all involved. Reduced infrastructure damage to Afghanistan. And so many more benefits as a result of the war ending sooner.

[QUOTE=Zeddy;23863804]Lets take this in to mathematical terms. 49,600 deaths roughly over the almost nine year course of the war. That's 5511 on average yearly. Every year another 5511 people will die in Afghanistan. So if the war continues on for two more years, 11022 people will die. But, if these paper cause the war to end even six months early, the number is cut down by 25% to 8267 That means that 2755 people would have to die as a result of these papers being released for it to be equivalant in terms of casualties. This hardly takes in to account the effect of having less money dumped in to the war, which means more for spending at home. Less psychological stress on all involved. Reduced infrastructure damage to Afghanistan. And so many more benefits as a result of the war ending sooner.[/QUOTE] What I don't understand is why you approve of risking innocent lives for that. I don't care how bad the war is, you don't risk lives that are not part of it.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23863840]What I don't understand is why you approve of risking innocent lives for that. I don't care how bad the war is, you don't risk lives that are not part of it.[/QUOTE] Many of the casualties are innocent civilians already. You are saving more than just the lives of soldiers by ending the war sooner. [B]READ READ READ READ READ READ[/B]

[QUOTE=Zeddy;23863879]Many of the casualties are innocent civilians already. You are saving more than just the lives of soldiers by ending the war sooner. [B]READ READ READ READ READ READ[/B][/QUOTE] Yet releasing documents which may cause deaths is alright. Wikileaks is still 100% responsible if anyone gets hurt, because of these documents.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23863913]Yet releasing documents which may cause deaths is alright. Wikileaks is still 100% responsible if anyone gets hurt, because of these documents.[/QUOTE] Fewer deaths, more benefits. Yes, it is.

[QUOTE=Zeddy;23863956]Fewer deaths, more benefits. Yes, it is.[/QUOTE] So yea, who cares whose lives it is, as long as their dead and it ends the war faster. :silent:

[QUOTE=Ragy;23864030]So yea, who cares whose lives it is, as long as their dead and it ends the war faster. :silent:[/QUOTE] Have you read at all? If the war ends sooner, fewer innocent lives are lost. [B]READ READ READ READ READ READ READ[/B]

For the fiftieth time - isn't it possible to release the info WITHOUT risking lives?