[QUOTE=s0beit;25169931]Most people misconstrue the current United States economic system to be free market capitalism when really, nothing could be further from the truth.
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism"]Google it[/URL].[/QUOTE]
Shh..
Most people on this forum don't understand or want to understand any theory besides big government.
Our economic system would be in a lot better condition and fair if it was free market capitalism.
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[QUOTE=Reaver1991;25169897]that leaves facism then[/QUOTE]
Yeah because facism is an economic system right?
For fucks sake..
[QUOTE=RinVII;25169959]Shh..
Most people on this forum don't understand or want to understand any theory besides big government.
Our economic system would be in a lot better condition and fair if it was free market capitalism.[/QUOTE]
yeah mang
fuckin leftists and socialists with ther fvucking statistics and factss and shit
what norway democatic socalism highest livng standards in the world all i heaqr is "we hate freedom" amirite
[QUOTE=RinVII;25169943]Your stances don't even have any background behind them so don't try to claim I'm making ridiculous statements.
Usual of a leftist to attack arrogantly and ignorantly, what proof do you have of the above statement.
Explain yourself . . .[/QUOTE]
Well lets see.
Gay rights? The republican party doesn't want them.
Military view? Is it still the 1950's where it was cool for the US to be the police force? No...
Defense budget? Are we really in trouble from a military perspective we need to sink more money in there? Is it the 1980s? No...
Healthcare? Keep it the same ineffective system for monetary reasons, doesn't seem to be getting us anywhere.
Drug law? Do we see the drug war working? No, but the republicans want to push MORE money in to it.
Need I go on? There's thousands of social, political, and financial issues that the republican party has [b]clearly[/b] stated their intent with, and their intent is NOT NEW, and HAS NOT CHANGED. It's conservatism because it's the view of [b]never change, hold on to tradition for traditions sake[/b]. That's the very POINT of conservatism.
fascism has its own economic system
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25169898]it's basically how rascist or how out of touch with reality you can sound. [/QUOTE]
First of all how do I sound racist?
Secondly reality is objective only one of us or neither of us can perceive it correctly.
But I'm 99 % sure I'm more correct than you.
[QUOTE=s0beit;25169931]Most people misconstrue the current United States economic system to be free market capitalism when really, nothing could be further from the truth.
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism]Google it[/url].[/QUOTE]
While I sort of disagree, you seem to be on the right. I think.
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[QUOTE=RinVII;25169995]First of all how do I sound racist?
Secondly reality is objective only one of us or neither of us can perceive it correctly.
But I'm 99 % sure I'm more correct than you.[/QUOTE]
Then respond to my post about how you're out of touch with something other than "no, republicans aren't stupid like democraps".
[QUOTE=RinVII;25169995]First of all how do I sound racist?
Secondly reality is objective only one of us or neither of us can perceive it correctly.
But I'm 99 % sure I'm more correct than you.[/QUOTE]
alirght bro, ima tell you what to do
first thing you gotta do is go to dictionary.com. there you can find out whqt the words you're saying mean
like i dont think objdective means whatyou think it means bro
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;25170018]alirght bro, ima tell you what to do
first thing you gotta do is go to dictionary.com. there you can find out whqt the words you're saying mean
like i dont think objdective means whatyou think it means bro[/QUOTE]
Nah, objective and subjective? Didn't you know? That's the same fucking word. GOD DAMN IT SCORPIO.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25169980]Well lets see.
Gay rights? The republican party doesn't want them.
Military view? Is it still the 1950's where it was cool for the US to be the police force? No...
Defense budget? Are we really in trouble from a military perspective we need to sink more money in there? Is it the 1980s? No...
Healthcare? Keep it the same ineffective system for monetary reasons, doesn't seem to be getting us anywhere.
Drug law? Do we see the drug war working? No, but the republicans want to push MORE money in to it.
Need I go on? There's thousands of social, political, and financial issues that the republican party has [b]clearly[/b] stated their intent with, and their intent is NOT NEW, and HAS NOT CHANGED. It's conservatism because it's the view of [b]never change, hold on to tradition for traditions sake[/b]. That's the very POINT of conservatism.[/QUOTE]
No, that is not what conservatism means.
Not all conservatives are Republicans, either.
Gay rights? Honestly, i want to strip tax advantages from all married couples, i don't like being treated differently because I'm not married or in a civil union. Bam, everyone is equal. [b]really[/b].
Military view? I agree. We are too aggressive and are involved in too many world affairs.
Defense budget? Same as above.
Healthcare? There are other solutions besides giving full power to the government, there are also downsides to giving the government unlimited power in this respect as discussed earlier.
Drug law? Agree Agree Agree.
And I'm a conservative, imagine that.
[QUOTE=s0beit;25170042]No, that is not what conservatism means.
Not all conservatives are Republicans, either.
Gay rights? Honestly, i want to strip tax advantages from all married couples, i don't like being treated differently because I'm not married or in a civil union. Bam, everyone is equal. [b]really[/b].
Military view? I agree. We are too aggressive and are involved in too many world affairs.
Defense budget? Same as above.
Healthcare? There are other solutions besides giving full power to the government, there are also downsides to giving the government unlimited power in this respect as discussed earlier.
Drug law? Agree Agree Agree.
And I'm a conservative, imagine that.[/QUOTE]
fiscal conservative =/= social conservative. A social conservative is really the only kind of conservative. Being a fiscal conservative isn't really conservatism to me, it's a different economic view.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25169980]Well lets see.
Gay rights? The republican party doesn't want them.
Military view? Is it still the 1950's where it was cool for the US to be the police force? No...
Defense budget? Are we really in trouble from a military perspective we need to sink more money in there? Is it the 1980s? No...
Healthcare? Keep it the same ineffective system for monetary reasons, doesn't seem to be getting us anywhere.
Drug law? Do we see the drug war working? No, but the republicans want to push MORE money in to it.
Need I go on? There's thousands of social, political, and financial issues that the republican party has [B]clearly[/B] stated their intent with, and their intent is NOT NEW, and HAS NOT CHANGED. It's conservatism because it's the view of [B]never change, hold on to tradition for traditions sake[/B]. That's the very POINT of conservatism.[/QUOTE]
So who should be the world police if not the United States? Do you suggest we should have a unresponsive group such as the UN to deal with such matters?
As far as healthcare are you telling me you believe in taxation without representation?
Conservatism is a very confusing thing for people like you who are not yet educated. Conservatism does not necessarily mean to preserve or hold on to tradition as you put it, many of the huge changes in the country were gradually set by Republicans. The role of conservatism is to enact change [B]GRADUALLY[/B] not to block change all together.
[QUOTE=RinVII;25170088]So who should be the world police if not the United States? Do you suggest we should have a unresponsive group such as the UN to deal with such matters?
As far as healthcare are you telling me you believe in taxation without representation?
Conservatism is a very confusing thing for people like you who are not yet educated. Conservatism does not necessarily mean to preserve or hold on to tradition as you put it, many of the huge changes in the country were gradually set by Republicans. The role of conservatism is to enact change [B]GRADUALLY[/B] not to block change all together.[/QUOTE]
Taxation without representation is not really valid here and no empire should rule the world or "police" the world as you politely put it.
It only gets us into huge trouble, like 9/11, that was a response to our imperialistic tactics abroad.
The role of conservatives is to be fiscally conservative in the government, and to perpetuate less taxes because the government requires less to operate.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25170028]Nah, objective and subjective? Didn't you know? That's the same fucking word. GOD DAMN IT SCORPIO.[/QUOTE]
Why don't you go fucking look up the definitions and difference dipshit.
I'm right you're wrong.
Objective reality means that reality exists outside of human consciousness and the idea of absolute truths.
Socrates, Aristotle, and Rand up in this bitch.
[QUOTE=RinVII;25170120]Why don't you go fucking look up the definitions and difference dipshit.
I'm right you're wrong.
Objective reality means that reality exists outside of human consciousness and the idea of absolute truths.
Socrates, Aristotle, and Rand up in this bitch.[/QUOTE]
I know that. Do I have to go Decartes on a bitch? Everything is subjective now fucker.
[QUOTE=s0beit;25170115]Taxation without representation is not really valid here and no empire should rule the world or "police" the world as you politely put it.
The role of conservatives is to be fiscally conservative in the government, and to perpetuate less taxes because the government requires less to operate.[/QUOTE]
Agreed on the fiscal conservatism.
However I do believe the health care act is a huge example of taxation without representation.
Do you remember voting on it?
Socialized health care is straight up Canada shit yo and we all know what Canada's like.
Inb4 livings condition/gdp
[QUOTE=RinVII;25170088]So who should be the world police if not the United States? Do you suggest we should have a unresponsive group such as the UN to deal with such matters?
As far as healthcare are you telling me you believe in taxation without representation?
Conservatism is a very confusing thing for people like you who are not yet educated. Conservatism does not necessarily mean to preserve or hold on to tradition as you put it, many of the huge changes in the country were gradually set by Republicans. The role of conservatism is to enact change [B]GRADUALLY[/B] not to block change all together.[/QUOTE]
No, we don't need ANY world police. There doesn't need to be a nation going into other nations enforcing a certain "moral" line.
I believe everyone is entitled to life, not having money shouldn't mean "No life for you".
Really? What change has the republican party REALLY done in the last 20 years? Lowering corporate tax rates? Freeing corporations of regulations? Corporate law? Yeah, that's what you've done, you've confined the rest of the country that isn't a corporation behind inane and stupid fucking "Moral" law.
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[QUOTE=RinVII;25170135]Agreed on the fiscal conservatism.
However I do believe the health care act is a huge example of taxation without representation.
Do you remember voting on it?
Socialized health care is straight up Canada shit yo and we all know what Canada's like.
Inb4 livings condition/gdp[/QUOTE]
I live in Canada. It's fucking GREAT. I have friends in the states who have lived here for a time, and they loved it.
It's subjective, but you think your view is objective. You're smart :downs:
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25170148]I believe everyone is entitled to life, not having money shouldn't mean "No life for you". [/QUOTE]
No it should mean that the lies responsibility with your neighbors and the good of the people.
Not the fucking government.
I don't believe in forced charity.
[QUOTE=RinVII;25170120]Why don't you go fucking look up the definitions and difference dipshit.
I'm right you're wrong.
Objective reality means that reality exists outside of human consciousness and the idea of absolute truths.
Socrates, Aristotle, and Rand up in this bitch.[/QUOTE]
Can we all agree that this guy is a moron?
[QUOTE=RinVII;25170162]No it should mean that the lies responsibility with your neighbors and the good of the people.
Not the fucking government.
I don't believe in forced charity.[/QUOTE]
The "good of the people" means nothing, charities don't do much without celebrity power.
The healthcare here is government run, and works great. The healthcare in other "socialist" hellholes is better than yours, but of course, you'll ignore that.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25170148]It's subjective, but you think your view is objective. You're smart :downs:[/QUOTE]
Force and coercion by the government goes against freedom it's an absolute truth.
[QUOTE=TH89;25170171]Can we all agree that this guy is a moron?[/QUOTE]
TH89, you have no idea how hard I agree with you.
[QUOTE=TH89;25170171]Can we all agree that this guy is a moron?[/QUOTE]
It's too bad he's not being racist or you could ban him
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25170148]
I live in Canada. It's fucking GREAT. I have friends in the states who have lived here for a time, and they loved it.
It's subjective, but you think your view is objective. You're smart :downs:[/QUOTE]
Of course you love it, it's free (or perceived to be free, other people pay for it).
As explained earlier the government also is heavily invested in your health, which [i]can[/i] decrease freedom of choice for you. (Health-based laws)
Look back [del]a few pages[/del] to page 2 (derp) and view the convo i had with others about it. Just something to think about.
P.S. Everything is subjective! So says Nietzsche!
He also said this
[quote]
Freedom is the will to be responsible to ourselves
[/quote]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25170181]
The healthcare here is government run, and works great. The healthcare in other "socialist" hellholes is better than yours, but of course, you'll ignore that.[/QUOTE]
That's cool I once met a former Canadian who told me he had to wait weeks to see a doctor for two broken fingers.
I also have another friend who's father was a doctor and they immigrated to America due to our medical system.
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[QUOTE=TH89;25170171]Can we all agree that this guy is a moron?[/QUOTE]
Maybe if your lucky ill say something about black people so you can pretend you're black and ban me.
[QUOTE=RinVII;25170182]Force and coercion by the government goes against freedom it's an absolute truth.[/QUOTE]
I don't see my freedom restricted by not having to worry about health insurance.
In fact, my freedom is more restricted by the fact in order to live "carefree" in the states, I must own health insurance that isn't even going to cover me for the problems I have if they can weasel out of it, which they often do, leaving me in economic disparity because I'm just a poor student.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25170218]
In fact, my freedom is more restricted by the fact in order to live "carefree" in the states, I must own health insurance that isn't even going to cover me for the problems I have if they can weasel out of it, which they often do, leaving me in economic disparity because I'm just a poor student.[/QUOTE]
Freedom does not mean you don't have to worry.
Freedom can be extremely good and it can be extremely bad. It is a wild force.
Arnie is cool.
Hey RinVII here is why you are wrong:
There is no objective standard by which to measure a system of government, therefore you cannot be "more right" by dickriding Ayn Rand or Karl Marx
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25170218]I don't see my freedom restricted by not having to worry about health insurance.
In fact, my freedom is more restricted by the fact in order to live "carefree" in the states, I must own health insurance that isn't even going to cover me for the problems I have if they can weasel out of it, which they often do, leaving me in economic disparity because I'm just a poor student.[/QUOTE]
So what medical advancements has Canada provided since it adopted it's healthcare program?
Wait, wasn't there already a fight for this? Like, ages ago?
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