Communists pledge to stop ‘dollar-lovers’ experiment on Russia’ - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Medevilae;32595926]The Civil War was fought over State's rights. Slavery was just bundled with that due to Southern plantation owners.[/QUOTE] Yes, state's rights. The state's right to allow slavery. [editline]2nd October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;32595989]I never once said it was the "glory days"[/QUOTE] Not saying you specifically did, I mean "you" in a general sense, in that anyone would be hard-pressed to say that those were the glory days.

ooooh [B]Bolshevik[/B] they gotta be [B]Khrushcheving[/B] me, those communists want to take over ze country again some1 get Gorbachev on the phone to tell them it doesn't work also tsar putin should not be running russia for the another term which is being increased to 6 years

Eh, these guys look more like Stalinists than Communists. Go Putin.

[QUOTE=certified;32596150]Eh, these guys look more like Stalinists than Communists. Go Putin.[/QUOTE] I'm still gonna have to say the Social Democratic party should win. Putin is a totalitarian jack-off.

[QUOTE=Sableye;32596127]ooooh [B]Bolshevik[/B] they gotta be [B]Khrushcheving[/B] me, those communists want to take over ze country again some1 get Gorbachev on the phone to tell them it doesn't work also tsar putin should not be running russia for the another term which is being increased to 6 years[/QUOTE] Even though I thought that comment was retarded, your post reminded me that back in freshman year of highschool, we were taught about the Russian revolution and Russia under Stalin, and everyone kept using the term Bolshevik in place of bullshit. Ah, good times. Just kidding, it sucked.

[QUOTE=Jund;32596091]Strange I thought Sobotnik was a fascist[/QUOTE] A term thrown around by people much too often, a fascist is somebody who supports an authoritarian nationalist idealology, being bound together by blood/ancestry/etc.

[QUOTE=Medevilae;32596217]Seems counter-productive to be honest.[/QUOTE] My question is, how the heck would they go about doing it? I'm decently sure if the Communists came back to power in Russia, they would essentially introvert, destroying all of the political progress they've made over the last twenty-odd years.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32595981]I'm fine with the CPRF being who they want to be, but they shouldn't except total rule over government, that's just unrealistic. They should work with the Social Democrats to get United Russia out of power and put Fair Russia into power, so that they can have at least some sway as opposed to being completely opposed to every parliamentary decision.[/QUOTE] While that would be ideal, I just find it difficult to believe that that would ever happen, since the very founding of Red Russia relied on the Bolsheviks' refusing to ally or work with the Social Democrats, splitting off, and then leading a coup to overthrow the Social Democratic government that was put in place by a popular revolution. The idea of the CPRF working with the SocDems to get them in power would just be too ironic. I would understand if the CPRF was more liberal and progressive like other communist parties, but these are the guys still waving around Stalin posters and denouncing Gorbachev as a Trotskyist. [editline]2nd October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ewitwins;32596271]My question is, how the heck would they go about doing it? I'm decently sure if the Communists came back to power in Russia, they would essentially introvert, destroying all of the political progress they've made over the last twenty-odd years.[/QUOTE] I'm sure that China would still be friendly to them, and no doubt Mongolia, Belarus, and the -stan nations in the south. Vietnam and North Korea as well, and likely Venezuela and Iran would be friendly, although that would likely be it, unless they honestly did become more liberal and democratic in their methods. But if they do start about with their Khrushchev or their Stalin methods, then you're right, they're probably going to sink.

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];32596320']While that would be ideal, I just find it difficult to believe that that would ever happen, since the very founding of Red Russia relied on the Bolsheviks' refusing to ally or work with the Social Democrats, splitting off, and then leading a coup to overthrow the Social Democratic government that was put in place by a popular revolution. The idea of the CPRF working with the SocDems to get them in power would just be too ironic. I would understand if the CPRF was more liberal and progressive like other communist parties, but these are the guys still waving around Stalin posters and denouncing Gorbachev as a Trotskyist.[/QUOTE] Well they could move to a different model of Communism that is more embracing of all factions (Trotskyists, Marxist-Leninists, etc.) and be more friendly (like the Japanese Communist Party). That way they could effectively work to push the country to the Left.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32596397]Well they could move to a different model of Communism that is more embracing of all factions (Trotskyists, Marxist-Leninists, etc.) and be more friendly (like the Japanese Communist Party). That way they could effectively work to push the country to the Left.[/QUOTE] Right, which would be fine, but considering the way that the CPSU was for most of its existence, and the way that Russian communists tend to think because of that, I don't believe that will happen. Like I said, to alot of them, Trotsky is still Satan, the Mensheviks were evil capitalist puppets, and Democratic Socialists and Social Democrats are weak-minded fools who conspire with the bourgeoisie. I'm just saying I don't see it happening, but should it, or should they openly embrace that, then I'd be happy to say that I would support their party. But tis not likely.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32596246]A term thrown around by people much too often, a fascist is somebody who supports an authoritarian nationalist idealology, being bound together by blood/ancestry/etc.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I know what fascism is I always thought your views came off more as fascistic than Stalinistic Also if you're going to rate me dumb, don't change it

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];32596320']While that would be ideal, I just find it difficult to believe that that would ever happen, since the very founding of Red Russia relied on the Bolsheviks' refusing to ally or work with the Social Democrats, splitting off, and then leading a coup to overthrow the Social Democratic government that was put in place by a popular revolution. The idea of the CPRF working with the SocDems to get them in power would just be too ironic. I would understand if the CPRF was more liberal and progressive like other communist parties, but these are the guys still waving around Stalin posters and denouncing Gorbachev as a Trotskyist. [editline]2nd October 2011[/editline] I'm sure that China would still be friendly to them, and no doubt Mongolia, Belarus, and the -stan nations in the south. Vietnam and North Korea as well, and likely Venezuela and Iran would be friendly, although that would likely be it, unless they honestly did become more liberal and democratic in their methods. But if they do start about with their Khrushchev or their Stalin methods, then you're right, they're probably going to sink.[/QUOTE] Regarding the "-istan" nations, I have a feeling they wouldn't want to get close with another "Soviet Union" in the slightest. A lot of those little nations value their individualism (especially Georgia), and the thought of being sucked up by another "Red Sea" is probably not a pleasant thought in the slightest. They enjoy their individual economies, they enjoy their tourism, and they enjoy their warm relationships with the West. Something like this would not be to their liking.

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];32596495']Right, which would be fine, but considering the way that the CPSU was for most of its existence, and the way that Russian communists tend to think because of that, I don't believe that will happen. Like I said, to alot of them, Trotsky is still Satan, the Mensheviks were evil capitalist puppets, and Democratic Socialists and Social Democrats are weak-minded fools who conspire with the bourgeoisie. I'm just saying I don't see it happening, but should it, or should they openly embrace that, then I'd be happy to say that I would support their party. But tis not likely.[/QUOTE] Well they'll need to do something to co-operate if they have any hope of taking power.

[QUOTE=ewitwins;32596536]Regarding the "-istan" nations, I have a feeling they wouldn't want to get close with another "Soviet Union" in the slightest. A lot of those little nations value their individualism (especially Georgia), and the thought of being sucked up by another "Red Sea" is probably not a pleasant thought in the slightest. They enjoy their individual economies, they enjoy their tourism, and they enjoy their warm relationships with the West. Something like this would not be to their liking.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure it's just Georgia.

[QUOTE=Jund;32596522]Yeah, I know what fascism is I always thought your views came off more as fascistic than Stalinistic Also if you're going to rate me dumb, don't change it[/QUOTE] Heh. In all honesty, from my point of view, the two are pretty damn close, at least in practice, and honestly similar in beliefs. They're actually so close that in the 20s and 30s, Stalin-aligned parties in nations where Social Democrats, Democratic Socialists, Socialists and Marxists still had holds in politics were being called Social Fascists by their opponents.

[QUOTE=Polyethylene;32596616]I'm pretty sure it's just Georgia.[/QUOTE] What makes you think the other ex-bloc nations would leap at the chance to be part of the economic and civil cluster-fuck that was the Soviet Union?

[QUOTE=ewitwins;32596536]Regarding the "-istan" nations, I have a feeling they wouldn't want to get close with another "Soviet Union" in the slightest. A lot of those little nations value their individualism (especially Georgia), and the thought of being sucked up by another "Red Sea" is probably not a pleasant thought in the slightest. They enjoy their individual economies, they enjoy their tourism, and they enjoy their warm relationships with the West. Something like this would not be to their liking.[/QUOTE] Well I know that the Georgia, Azerbaijan and Armenia wouldn't be friendly towards that idea, which is why I didn't mention them.

Now we're going back to the silly fear of the Red Monster crashing through your wall? But it is true that today's Russian Federation has ongoing problems of corruption (I mean, [url=http://www.desertsun.co.uk/blog/?p=416]look at this[/url]!), the oligarchy and other things that the current government cannot or is struggling to solve.

[QUOTE=Tac Error;32600661]Now we're going back to the silly fear of the Red Monster crashing through your wall? But it is true that today's Russian Federation has ongoing problems of corruption (I mean, [url=http://www.desertsun.co.uk/blog/?p=416]look at this[/url]!), the oligarchy and other things that the current government cannot or is struggling to solve.[/QUOTE] Christ, and I thought the US was filled with unnecessary bureaucratic bullshit...

[QUOTE=Tac Error;32600661]Now we're going back to the silly fear of the Red Monster crashing through your wall? But it is true that today's Russian Federation has ongoing problems of corruption (I mean, [url=http://www.desertsun.co.uk/blog/?p=416]look at this[/url]!), the oligarchy and other things that the current government cannot or is struggling to solve.[/QUOTE] It's better than what it was, and they still have a ways to go. I hope they don't fall back to old ways, as this party seems to want.

Just wait until the Tsarists want back in

I think the US may be starting to spring a war-boner.

[QUOTE=teslacoil;32601237]I think the US may be starting to spring a war-boner.[/QUOTE] What?

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;32601110]It's better than what it was, and they still have a ways to go. I hope they don't fall back to old ways, as this party seems to want.[/QUOTE] There are older Russians, who grew up in Brezhnev's time, before the political and economic stagnation that marked his last years, remember that era when life in Russia was not miserable, when there was free education and medical care, and it was safe to walk down the streets. The Russian Federation of the 1990s and today? I'm not so sure. Things have recovered a bit during Putin's rule, but the future IMO is uncertain.

While I'm against these guys winning, it would be interesting to see what would happen politically.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;32595404]Go get 'em Putin.[/QUOTE]Why he doesn't need to even if opposition was anywhere close they'd just rig the elections anyway.

[QUOTE=MangoJuice;32601717]While I'm against these guys winning, it would be interesting to see what would happen politically.[/QUOTE] Of course Putin will win.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;32595471]"Release the bears" - Putin[/QUOTE]fixed.

[QUOTE=Miskav;32595571]Too bad human nature doesn´t coincide with what communism tries to do.[/QUOTE]So? Our instincts tell us to rape, murder, steal etc. to satisfy our needs of revenge and power, but that doesn't mean we can't suppress those needs. Human nature is just too simplistic to be a relevant argument against communism.

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;32609916]So? Our instincts tell us to rape, murder, steal etc. to satisfy our needs of revenge and power, but that doesn't mean we can't suppress those needs. Human nature is just too simplistic to be a relevant argument against communism.[/QUOTE] I personally don't believe that naturally, we aren't as bad as some like to think. Certain aspects of our society just compound on some of our negative instincts (greed) by rewarding us for relying on them.