Communists pledge to stop ‘dollar-lovers’ experiment on Russia’ - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;32609916]So? Our instincts tell us to rape, murder, steal etc. to satisfy our needs of revenge and power, but that doesn't mean we can't suppress those needs. Human nature is just too simplistic to be a relevant argument against communism.[/QUOTE] Sadly, greed seems to be one of those instincts that is proving difficult to stamp out.

[QUOTE=Miskav;32595571]Too bad human nature doesn´t coincide with what communism tries to do.[/QUOTE] since when was greed biological "human nature"? that's the socialisation of capitalism and your pseudo-scientific excuse for it is pathetic

[QUOTE=Stupideye;32610009]I personally don't believe that naturally, we aren't as bad as some like to think. Certain aspects of our society just compound on some of our negative instincts (greed) by rewarding us for relying on them.[/QUOTE]Instincts aren't bound by morals, they aren't "bad" or "good", they are simply the most appropriate action to satisfy a short-term goal, without any consideration for consequences. We can suppress those needs if they are too taboo and it's done unconsciously. Ergo, being greedy in a communist society would be taboo and our unconscious would therefore suppress that instinct.

Communism running Russia again? Why don't they just come out and say it? "Once we're in, we plan to ally with Ukraine, China, and North Korea and declare war on Nato and democracy."

Uh, communists aren't running Russia. Where did you get that from? Besides, I don't think you understand the relationship between Russia and China, nor Russia's relationship with NATO.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;32610034]since when was greed biological "human nature"? that's the socialisation of capitalism and your pseudo-scientific excuse for it is pathetic[/QUOTE]No, greed is not an invention of Capitalism, Capitalism is the invention of greed. That's just a simple fact. Greed is, always has been, and always will be a part of our nature, and no amount of denial or wishful thinking can change that.

Greed is not really exclusive to Captitalism. Why do you think the communist wielded power with an iron fist for nearly 80 years? When someone or a group gets that much power you dont let go of it without a fight.

Eh, this is nice but the CPRF has been a rather meek opposition to Putin's policies in the past few years beyond a few token statements here and there. This has caused some members to split off and found their own party to pose a more revolutionary programme, as opposed to what they feel is a subordinated party under the CPRF leadership, or some nationalist vibes and policy sell outs. As things stand the CPRF, if they do get into office, wouldn't run their country in a radical manner. Just some nationalizations here and there and more attention to social programs. As for appeal, there still is people who support them. Quite a bit. Here they are back in May Day this year: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCFrd7t7hrs[/media] (skip to 0:45) But as far as Russian politics are concerned, it will be difficult if not impossible to unseat Putin's crew. Even though economic indicators are beginning to stagnate and corruption is growing, it's not to the degree that'll spell disaster for United Russia at the polls.

I'm going to say this is a supporter of communism: This party in question should not be allowed power. This is an extremist group. Not a proper Marxist party. Look at them, spouting bullshit that they think Russia is apparently a "US puppet state" being controlled by "dollar lovers" with no logic or proof. Hell, the US and Russia still have shitty relations even after the cold war. Putin all the fucking way, atleast he doesn't have the mind of a child, even if he does exploit national emergencies to increase his power.

[QUOTE=certified;32613193]I'm going to say this is a supporter of communism: This party in question should not be allowed power. This is an extremist group. Not a proper Marxist party. Look at them, spouting bullshit that they think Russia is apparently a "US puppet state" being controlled by "dollar lovers" with no logic or proof. Hell, the US and Russia still have shitty relations even after the cold war.[/QUOTE] i agree up to this point [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;32611745]No, greed is not an invention of Capitalism, Capitalism is the invention of greed. That's just a simple fact. Greed is, always has been, and always will be a part of our nature, and no amount of denial or wishful thinking can change that.[/QUOTE] capitalism is not the straight up invention of greed but rather the accumulation of thousands of years of greed developed over other, more simplified, greed-based systems (see slave society and feudalism) it was not human nature to be greedy, it was human nature to advance in science and technology which in turn leads to greed due to the primitive nature of early society. greed only exists when humans learn how to bend nature to their will and with the advent of private property and therefore class. remove class and remove private property and, in theory, you remove greed i don't believe humans are corrupt at birth. i'm aristotelian and lockean in that i believe society corrupts [QUOTE=N-12_Aden;32612276]Greed is not really exclusive to Captitalism. Why do you think the communist wielded power with an iron fist for nearly 80 years? When someone or a group gets that much power you dont let go of it without a fight.[/QUOTE] that's not communism. that's the stalinist perversion of communism. this is not what marx wrote about [QUOTE=certified;32613193]Putin all the fucking way, atleast he doesn't have the mind of a child, even if he does exploit national emergencies to increase his power.[/QUOTE] as you're a self proclaimed supporter of communism this truly baffles me "i love communism!... but failing that, i definitely think we should have the right-wing totalitarian in charge!"

I like how all the people in that image are just old people, obviously reminiscent of old times and against current times as every old person everywhere ever.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;32610034]since when was greed biological "human nature"? that's the socialisation of capitalism and your pseudo-scientific excuse for it is pathetic[/QUOTE] it's not so much greed but rather "why work harder when I can slack about all day" count the people in the world who have tremendous work effort, and then count the people who are lazy and don't give a damn you'd see the disparity and with that disparity is why it's a flawed system

[QUOTE=TBFundy;32614702]it's not so much greed but rather "why work harder when I can slack about all day" count the people in the world who have tremendous work effort, and then count the people who are lazy and don't give a damn you'd see the disparity and with that disparity is why it's a flawed system[/QUOTE] If you legitimately think Communism or Socialism is just "give everyone the same things regardless of how adamant they may be in not wanting to do work", you have no idea what either ideology is, considering that kind of person is so rare that you'd be hard-pressed to have a major problem with it. It isn't like you'd sit as a factory worker or whatever and still get paid the same amount no matter how little work you do.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32595673]Given the current state, Putin doesn't deserve another term, and neither does his party. I'd rather the Communists or Fair Russia be in charge.[/QUOTE] Yeah better that they end up with a crappy dictator like the other "communist" countries

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32595673]Given the current state, Putin doesn't deserve another term, and neither does his party. I'd rather the Communists or Fair Russia be in charge.[/QUOTE] Avatar fits.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;32614921]Yeah better that they end up with a crappy dictator like the other "communist" countries[/QUOTE] I mean really you'd be hard-pressed to make an argument for support of a totalitarian PM over a Social Democratic one.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32615456]I mean really you'd be hard-pressed to make an argument for support of a totalitarian PM over a Social Democratic one.[/QUOTE] Putin;totalitarian Yo hook me up with that crucial joint man holla holla get dolla.

[QUOTE=certified;32615935]Putin;totalitarian Yo hook me up with that crucial joint man holla holla get dolla.[/QUOTE] Yes, because the ex-KGB thug who suppresses political dissent in his down time is totally transparent and even-handed.

Don't worry Putin's [del]hit squad[/del] PR department will keep them at bay.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;32595485]You want these Communists in charge? They want to start the cold war again for goodness sake![/QUOTE] This time, we'll go for MARS. I'm for a cold war if it means gigantic amounts of scientific advancements

Maybe this will persuade you. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFhRZ90Qsag[/media]

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;32595471]"Release the [B]bears[/B]" - Putin[/QUOTE] Fixed :>

im surpised they didnt putin the riot police to beat the shit out of these people

Communists? Using their rights for civil protest!? UNACCEPTABLE! In the american democracy you have the right for free speech unless you are a communist. Edit: (Just look at all those destroyed Hollywood careers during the cold war for one, be a public person and say anything even nearly pro-communistic, your days in the spotlight will be over.)

[QUOTE=Falchion;32625599]Communists? Using their rights for civil protest!? UNACCEPTABLE! In the american democracy you have the right for free speech unless you are a communist.[/QUOTE] It isn't the 50s anymore, stop being so hyperbolic. By now you'll only find that kind of rhetoric coming from Fox News viewers.

[QUOTE=Polyethylene;32595701]Over fantasized by western media. How about the glory days of the united states industrialization when it was propped up by workers with no rights and negro slaves.[/QUOTE] You can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs. It's just a saying!

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32595416]Good on em. Hope they win the elections.[/QUOTE] I certainly do agree with that statement comrade!