Citizins all over the world is sending letters to UN to impose a no-fly zone over Libya - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Kinversulath;28638178]Maybe those rebels shouldn't have turned down our offers of help when they were winning.[/QUOTE] Eh? [quote=Wikipedia]On February 21, 2011, Libyan deputy Permanent Representative to UN Ambassador Ibrahim Dabbashi "[called] on the UN to impose a no-fly zone on all Tripoli to cut off all supplies of arms and mercenaries to the regime." On March 9, 2011, the head of the Libyan National Transitional Council, Mustafa Abdul Jalil, "pleaded for the international community to move quickly to impose a no-fly zone over Libya, declaring that any delay would result in more casualties".[/quote]

[QUOTE=Explosions;28638100] Also, half of these people would turn around and tell everybody to leave Libya alone as soon as anyone intervened.[/QUOTE] Which is not an excuse to let innocent civilians be massacred by a professional military

[url=http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10711553]Why won't you help, Libyan rebels ask West[/url] ;_;

[QUOTE=smurfy;28638226]Eh?[/QUOTE] [quote]“No foreign intervention in Libya,” said Essam al-Tawargi, an engineer. “With our guns, with our potential, we can bring Qaddafi down.”[/quote] [quote]Another member of the rebel leadership who supported the idea said: “It should have been done three days ago. But it’s a burden to take this responsibility. It’s like you’re a traitor.” [/quote] [quote]“If he falls with no intervention, I’d be happy,” one rebel leader said. “But if he’s going to commit a massacre, my priority is to save my people.”[/quote] It's been the rhetoric since the uprising started. They wanted to do it themselves, just like Tunisia and Egypt, but now that they're losing, they want us to jump in and help them. Note that all the articles mentioning a request for help from the Transitional Government were made in the last week or so, when the loyalists started pushing them back.

Nine hundred letters? :v: Anyway i think we should close the skies and let the fight take place on the ground.

[QUOTE=Kinversulath;28638370]It's been the rhetoric since the uprising started. They wanted to do it themselves, just like Tunisia and Egypt, but now that they're losing, they want us to jump in and help them. Note that all the articles mentioning a request for help from the Transitional Government were made in the last week or so, when the loyalists started pushing them back.[/QUOTE] Not exactly. Of course prior to the bombing runs the rebels believed they would be able to take the down the government. But after the destruction caused by Qaddafi's fighters, its been a mixed bag. I've seen posters with people saying that they want a no-fly zone, and even others who want more than that, while also seeing people who still want to fight the fight themselves. Its a tricky situation since there's no unanimous support for one side or the other by the Libyan rebels.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;28637039]Wasn't the US supposed to start setting one up yesterday?[/QUOTE] NO

un is too incompetent to do anything, best to kill it off and start over

[QUOTE=Kinversulath;28638178]Maybe those rebels shouldn't have turned down our offers of help when they were winning.[/QUOTE] And we sort of never did give them an offer until they started being pushed back. Don't think of the rest of the world as benevolent because we're definitely not.

I sent a letter. Told 'em if the no-fly zone doesn't end Qaddafi's arrogance, then send in peacekeepers. We aren't really getting involved in this conflict, except with the UN.

What would be the ramifications of the UN security council invading Libya? I mean, even IRAN has denounced them.

[QUOTE=Jiyoon;28641296]What would be the ramifications of the UN security council invading Libya? I mean, even IRAN has denounced them.[/QUOTE] I think some people are afraid of another Afghanistan.

Wow. [img]http://i.imgur.com/iz22z.png[/img]

Grammar. :colbert:

943,503 out of 1,000,000. Sent one.

[QUOTE=Regulas021;28637437]I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but anyone who isn't killing rebels or civilians will be allowed to fly if they want to.[/QUOTE] I'm just trying to be funny, posting something that seems like something Steven Colbert would say.

[QUOTE=croguy;28637462]Depends on the restrictions. International flights would probably be permitted only from the direct confirmation of the government or they would have to be escorted by the military air force, or if it would be a full blown no-fly zone only the military planes of the countries assinged to control the no-fly zone will be allowed to fly in Libya. IMO I would rather do a "small" military intervention with Russia, UK and US as the big shots in it. Toss some paratroopers behind enemy lines to draw Gadaffi's forces away from the rebels, then while they're not looking make an areal and naval invasion of the coastal cities and air bases. Then the countries would be able to safely evac their citizens and the UN would be able to fully aid the rebellion. When rebels will be able to take over the situation, pull out and leave some equipment and peacekeeping forces behind "just in case".[/QUOTE] Ouch the sheer ramifications of doing that are absolutely bloody insane. The rebels currently have zilch legitimacy, giving them direct aid is just insane. The no-fly zone is questionable but still somewhat okayish - but not to protect the rebels, but to protect the civilian population from becoming accidental targets. Humanitarian aid is another possiblity. [quote] It's mostly USA, China and Russia thats fucks it up. If China and Russia wasn't in the UN i think it would go alot faster. [/quote] Yeah welcome to cold war iteration 2. You remove China and Russia from the Security council and the UN looses international credibility and power in an absolutely massive horrendous amount. [quote] What would be the ramifications of the UN security council invading Libya? I mean, even IRAN has denounced them. [/quote] For the security council to even really think about a direct intervention, you'd need quite a lot of proof that Libya is either being aggressive against a foreign nation or that crimes against humanity are taking place. The US for instance would most likely rather not move on it own, due to the political ramifications this would cause among other things - hell they still claim the invasion of Iraq was legal and based on the old Security council resolution and when Iraq did not uphold what it was bound to, the mandate was renewed essentially. Of course considering some of the legal argumentation some members of the security council have provided in the past, almost anything is possible no matter how wrong it is. Of course getting the SC to actually pass a big resolution like this is in itself pretty hard as well due to the vastly conflicting interests in it.

[QUOTE=Uncle_Earl;28641499]Wow. [img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/iz22z.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Brilliant. Simply brilliant. Just sent my letter, 972,668 and counting... around 27,000 more to go!

[QUOTE=Regulas021;28637365]it's not like they have anti air batteries.[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.monterey.org/recycle/images/battery.jpg[/img] [QUOTE=Regulas021;28637365]A no fly zone is a deterrent; it means that if Libyans attempt to fly their military aircraft in their own airspace, they will be engaged by whoever is enforcing the no fly zone. Like any deterrent, though, it needs to have force backing it up, so when Libya tries to test the water and see how serious the situation is, the aircraft actually need to be shot down. Shooting down military equipment is an act of war, which has political ramifications, so everyone is pussy footing around the issue with statements like "what's happening in Libya is bad, but is the no fly zone the right option?".[/QUOTE] So this is going to be the Libyan version of Iraq? Excellent news, we needed a war to fuel the economy! In all seriousness, this is completely stupid. Sure Gadaffi is bombing the shit out of the Rebels, but they are doomed to be bombed either way, they should just leave... Better to give up and run than be bombed shitless. A no-fly zone is just going to make a new, pointless war. Another war we [b]don't[/b] need...

[quote][B]1,036,631 messages sent. Help us deliver 1,250,000[/B][/quote] Nice :D

Sent a letter.

I get the impression that the U.N.'s deliberately dragging their feet so the crisis in Libya will resolve itself. As in, Gaddafi curbstomps the rebels. :colbert:

And then the UN just sends an angry letter.

I just UN'ed the UN.

They're already over a million, they're going for 1.25 million now.

I'd support this if I didn't know a ton of civilians would "accidently" be killed during the bombing

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;28650140]I'd support this if I didn't know a ton of civilians would "accidently" be killed during the bombing[/QUOTE] Are you an idiot? Do you even know what a "no-fly zone" [b]is[/b]? [editline]17th March 2011[/editline] It's where they send fighters to take down the enemies planes, and make sure nobody flies in that area. Nothing else. Jackass.

[QUOTE=veribigbos1;28650159]Are you an idiot? Do you even know what a "no-fly zone" [b]is[/b]?[/QUOTE] It is basically the UN pissing in a line around Libya's border, and saying no planes are allowed in the sky above this line, if there is any aircraft flying in this zone without permission, we'll shoot them down. Shooting [b]military[/b] aircraft is an act of war however, and i'm sure Gadaffi will test out the no-fly zone to provoke the UN to take their bombers down, initiating a war between the UN and Libya, very similar to Iraq. Actually i think this is the same :colbert:

Yeah I sent one hopefully this situation does come to rest with the favor with the Rebels in hand.

Glad to see man kind as a whole is so incredibly spineless that they wont help others when there's massacre's taking place. I truly hope that when our generation is in a position of power, they'll have been raised well enough, thanks to internet among other things, so that they know when to act.