Boy allegedly kills mum with Christmas gun - Polidicks

Mom gives a rifle to a boy as a Christmas present and then gets killed by the same gun. Natural selection works through strange methods it seems.

[QUOTE=Bletotum;27190558]"pleaded not guilty" Is it bad that I wish there was an instant death penalty for pleading not guilty when it's already confirmed beyond any possible doubt you did the crime? wasting court time and money, fucking filth[/QUOTE] I remember ten year olds can't be charged with murder. They can only be sent into a rehabilitation center.

Does everyone in the US know how to shoot a gun?

[QUOTE=kanishnav;27193726]Does everyone in the US know how to shoot a gun?[/QUOTE] Let's face it, it's not exactly the hardest thing to do. I wouldn't be surprised if his dad or someone showed him how to use it before this happened.

Kids have temper tantrums, can go a little crazy sometimes when they get pissed at their parents, usually ending up with the kid screaming that he hates his parents and goes to his room. Only in this case, for some stupid reason the kid had access to a gun. I have some kids in my area who I wouldn't be surprised that they would do this. They aren't batshit insane, just got some anger problems and don't think ahead when they're angry. He's 10, he hardly had a clue what he was doing and what the consequences would be. I can't see why you guys are complaining about him pleading not guilty will waste court time and what not, he is probably so traumatised and confused right now he wouldn't know what the fuck to say.

[QUOTE=torero;27190393]Who gives their 10-year-old son a rifle? I mean, seriously.[/QUOTE] I had a gun when I was ten, but I had to keep it locked and only my dad had the key. Not all kids are retarded, it doesnt take a lot of brainpower to realize that a gun can kill someone.

[QUOTE=Prismatex;27190523]Yeah, you don't "accidentally" kill your mom by shooting her in the back of the head.[/QUOTE] You do when you're ten and retarded. This is why you have to be of a certain age to be considered adult.

Well he just fucked up his life.

[QUOTE=Bletotum;27190558]"pleaded not guilty" Is it bad that I wish there was an instant death penalty for pleading not guilty when it's already confirmed beyond any possible doubt you did the crime? wasting court time and money, fucking filth[/QUOTE] Judges and juries alike agree that no child should EVER have the death penalty, there are kids who are getting life without parole which I definitely do not agree with, but it's much better than the death penalty. What I believe they should do is try to rehabilitate the kid, give him one or two years of psychiatric treatment and have him locked up for a year or two after that to see how he acts. If he is fully rehabilitated, then I say release him. Just locking up for people for X amount of time for doing Y is stupid and a very faulty system. Lots of criminals can be rehabilitated and helped and who could, in time, become a standing member of society.

[QUOTE=Samiam22;27190511]And he must've had an intent to kill her, I've fired a .22 myself, those things are pea-shooters with pretty small stopping power.[/QUOTE] Wrong, wrong, wrooong .22LR is way more powerful than you think.

[QUOTE=Bletotum;27190558]"pleaded not guilty" Is it bad that I wish there was an instant death penalty for pleading not guilty when it's already confirmed beyond any possible doubt you did the crime? wasting court time and money, fucking filth[/QUOTE] It hasn't been confirmed beyond any possible doubt he did the crime, because the fucking trial hasn't happened yet. Also not guilty doesn't mean he didn't kill his mom, it means he in not guilty of the charge. He might be guilty of intentional manslaughter, but not first degree murder, for instance.

[QUOTE=torero;27190393]Who gives their 10-year-old son a rifle? I mean, seriously.[/QUOTE] Rednecks.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;27195251]Judges and juries alike agree that no child should EVER have the death penalty, there are kids who are getting life without parole which I definitely do not agree with, but it's much better than the death penalty. What I believe they should do is try to rehabilitate the kid, give him one or two years of psychiatric treatment and have him locked up for a year or two after that to see how he acts. If he is fully rehabilitated, then I say release him. Just locking up for people for X amount of time for doing Y is stupid and a very faulty system. Lots of criminals can be rehabilitated and helped and who could, in time, become a standing member of society.[/QUOTE] I believe he should be held until 18, given a test to determine whether or not he has a personality disorder(anti-social specifically, which can only be accurately diagnosed at the age of at least 18) and if he does then give him life without parole.

This is fucked up.

That's assuming he is declared guilty of 1st degree(I don't even know what the charge is, the article didn't say).

[QUOTE=Wyvers;27194951]Kids have temper tantrums, can go a little crazy sometimes when they get pissed at their parents, usually ending up with the kid screaming that he hates his parents and goes to his room. Only in this case, for some stupid reason the kid had access to a gun. I have some kids in my area who I wouldn't be surprised that they would do this. They aren't batshit insane, just got some anger problems and don't think ahead when they're angry. He's 10, he hardly had a clue what he was doing and what the consequences would be. I can't see why you guys are complaining about him pleading not guilty will waste court time and what not, he is probably so traumatised and confused right now he wouldn't know what the fuck to say.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure when I was 10, I was perfectly aware that guns kill people. I mean, the first basic fucking lesson in learning how to shoot a firearm is to *NEVER* aim it at a person, EVER. Saying this kid is 100% innocent in this case is ridiculous. Not that he should be executed, but he clearly has some psychological issues that need to be addressed. At 10 you have sense of right and wrong, cause and effect. When you are 10, you understand what happens when you aim and pull the trigger; perhaps he didn't intend to actually kill her, but intent to harm was definitely part of it.

[QUOTE=Ultra Violence;27195635]I'm pretty sure when I was 10, I was perfectly aware that guns kill people. I mean, the first basic fucking lesson in learning how to shoot a firearm is to *NEVER* aim it at a person, EVER. Saying this kid is 100% innocent in this case is ridiculous. Not that he should be executed, but he clearly has some psychological issues that need to be addressed. At 10 you have sense of right and wrong, cause and effect. When you are 10, you understand what happens when you aim and pull the trigger; perhaps he didn't intend to actually kill her, but intent to harm was definitely part of it.[/QUOTE] He is right, children have temper tantrums. They can't control their anger and their mind hasn't developed enough to fully comprehend the consequences of their actions.

Merry Christmas!

[QUOTE=iRzilla;27195655]How can you forgive someone after doing this?[/QUOTE] Love.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;27195614]I believe he should be held until 18, given a test to determine whether or not he has a personality disorder(anti-social specifically, which can only be accurately diagnosed at the age of at least 18) and if he does then give him life without parole.[/QUOTE] Too bad that would never happen because that is actually logical. :sigh: Sad state of affairs we have ourselves here.

[QUOTE=Ultra Violence;27195635]I'm pretty sure when I was 10, I was perfectly aware that guns kill people. I mean, the first basic fucking lesson in learning how to shoot a firearm is to *NEVER* aim it at a person, EVER. Saying this kid is 100% innocent in this case is ridiculous. Not that he should be executed, but he clearly has some psychological issues that need to be addressed. At 10 you have sense of right and wrong, cause and effect. When you are 10, you understand what happens when you aim and pull the trigger; perhaps he didn't intend to actually kill her, but intent to harm was definitely part of it.[/QUOTE] He's either batshit or no one taught him gun safety, which is not surprising.

You'd have to be pretty stupid to think the kid didn't know what he was doing. My dad bought shotguns for him and me when I was around 8, and a large calibre rifle a few years later. I knew damn well not to fucking point it at anyone if I wasn't intent on killing them.

[QUOTE=thisispain;27190397]who gives .22 bullets to a 10 year old[/QUOTE] To be fair thats an ammunition type suitable for 10 year olds. Sounds like the problem here is that the kid doesnt have a concept of what death is, and he shot his mother without knowing what it would do. Mother was an idiot for giving the kid a gun, and was an idiot for not explaining gun safety/keeping the gun in a safe place. Giving a kid a gun is not that bad, but unless you are 100% positive your ten year old son knows exactly what hes doing, it'd be best to keep it out of his reach and only let him use it under your supervision. Its just a matter of principle, just as you wouldn't trust a 10 year old to be perfectly safe with a large knife or power tools.

[QUOTE=Fycix;27195739]You'd have to be pretty stupid to think the kid didn't know what he was doing. My dad bought shotguns for him and me when I was around 8, and a large calibre rifle a few years later. I knew damn well not to fucking point it at anyone if I wasn't intent on killing them.[/QUOTE] You may be smarter than that kid, you may have been taught gun safety better, there are too many variables to say whether he knew what he was doing or not(unless you're a judge or juror, and then it's pretty much your job). Your personal experience does not prove or disprove anything when it comes to another person with a completely different brain and set of experiences.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;27195662]Love.[/QUOTE] I think he wants his little brother to take out their sister next.

Even the gun gets in trouble!

[QUOTE=yawmwen;27195835]You may be smarter than that kid, you may have been taught gun safety better, there are too many variables to say whether he knew what he was doing or not(unless you're a judge or juror, and then it's pretty much your job). Your personal experience does not prove or disprove anything when it comes to another person with a completely different brain and set of experiences.[/QUOTE] Thank you. Theres too many people assuming that everybody else is going to behave and learn exactly the same as them.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;27195835]You may be smarter than that kid, you may have been taught gun safety better, there are too many variables to say whether he knew what he was doing or not(unless you're a judge or juror, and then it's pretty much your job). Your personal experience does not prove or disprove anything when it comes to another person with a completely different brain and set of experiences.[/QUOTE] I didn't consider that. Still, they should have made sure he'd be able to handle it before buying him the gun.

Thank you for being fucked up today facepunch :buddy: Double-posts errywhere.

Though what the boy did was considered wrong, but it is partially the mother's fault too, for giving a 10 year old a rifle thinking he will be able to wisely manage it.