[QUOTE=johan_sm;27195697]He's either batshit or no one taught him gun safety, which is not surprising.[/QUOTE]
Little kids can and do act stupid sometimes. I can believe he was just throwing a tantrum. The sad thing is this tantrum would not have had fatal results if the gun was locked away.
Even if someone thinks it's a good idea for a ten year old to have a gun, I think we can all agree there is no reason for him to have access to it except for during specific, supervised gun related activities. I would say that arguing with your mom should not be considered an activity where a ten year old should have access.
I had a rifle when I was 10. I was taught weapon safety, and I wasn't a spoiled little shit, so I didn't shoot my parents in the face with my rifle when we had an argument.
[QUOTE=Bletotum;27190558]"pleaded not guilty"
Is it bad that I wish there was an instant death penalty for pleading not guilty when it's already confirmed beyond any possible doubt you did the crime? wasting court time and money, fucking filth[/QUOTE]
dude
he's 10 years old
That's what she gets for giving a ten year old a gun. Why couldn't she just get him Nerf or a cheap N64 with 20 games?
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;27190682]Uh gun safety has nothing to do with this. It's not like he 'accidentally' shot her in the back of the head.[/QUOTE]
If they understood gun safety, the gun wouldn't be in his room, unlocked, with ammunition in the same vicinity.
[editline]4th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=cqbcat;27208787]That's what she gets for giving a ten year old a gun. Why couldn't she just get him Nerf or a cheap N64 with 20 games?[/QUOTE]
You ever been to Ohio? There is nothing there. Like at all.
Games you beat a few times and you're over it. But shooting at whatever you get your hands on never gets old. If mommy kept the gun locked away like any normal parent should, the kid could be plinking at some beer cans or a target taped up to a tree or something.
It his her fault this happened. You can't blame the child because they don't understand the depth of these sorts of things. Little Johnny is probably wondering when mommy will get him out of jail right now.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;27196557]hmm, last post didnt register.
Its safe to assume .22 are lower powered and then thus safer for children, as its a true fact. .22 is a very small and very low energy round and due to that it is less dangerous, but that being said that doesn't mean it isn't capable of causing lethal injuries at close range; just as a knife is a low powered weapon, but can still cause lethal injuries.
Had the kid shot his mother with a 12 gauge, .223, or .308 she would be a lot more dead than she is now, if you catch my drift. It really varies on the person who gets shot and where he shot them, anyways.. While his mum died there are plenty of people who probably would have survived, she was probably taken by surprise which definitely would have increased her chances of dying because she was relaxed and getting shot was an immense shock.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't matter. A bullet is a bullet. .22's travel anywhere from 1100 Feet per second to over 1700, and for a piece of lead that's lethal, It'll go through a human body every time, it'll cause damage to internal organs, it'll even penetrate the skull... the same as any other bullet. There are some cases where a .22 round gets stuck in the skull, if it happens to be the hardest part of the skull.... But there's also cases where larger caliber bullets go right through the head, between the two halves of the brain not killing the victim
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;27191590]An accident? He [b]loaded the gun[/b] then shot her. I could understand an accidental discharge of a gun he didn't know was loaded, but that's certainly not the case here.[/QUOTE]
he thought her health would regenerate after a while like in call of duty
[QUOTE=Ultra Violence;27195635]I'm pretty sure when I was 10, I was perfectly aware that guns kill people. I mean, the first basic fucking lesson in learning how to shoot a firearm is to *NEVER* aim it at a person, EVER.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say he didn't know how guns worked, I said he probably didn't understand what the full outcome of his actions would be. In his moment of rage, he wanted to hurt his mum, and with a gun he could do that. Not much else was probably going through his head, people generally don't think ahead when they're angry, especially not 10 year old kids. The fact that he ran to another house to get her help straight away makes me think that this is the case. He went from being pissed off enough to try and hurt his own mother using a rifle to running to try get her help over (what I'm guessing) is a few minutes.
All the more reason that America's culture of arming yourself with guns is bullshit.
hey idiots, he pleaded not guilty because he wasn't culpable, not because he didn't do it.
[QUOTE=Daggoth;27213919]hey idiots, he pleaded not guilty because he wasn't culpable, not because he didn't do it.[/QUOTE]
Correct. Called the legal principle of 'doli incapax'.
I hate when people plead not guilty even though it beyond a doubt true they did it, but I digress.
Feel sorry for the family.
[editline]5th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Daggoth;27213919]hey idiots, he pleaded not guilty because he wasn't culpable, not because he didn't do it.[/QUOTE]
Well fuck
[QUOTE=Raiskauskone V2;27191510]Oh dear God not news like these, not events like these. Makes me sad and depressed as fuck.
Seriously, shooting your own [I]mother[/I] is the worst thing that I could think of to happen in life, hell I wonder how long it takes for that poor bastard to take his own life. Because I sure as hell would do that. I could never forgive myself for an thing that traumatizing[/QUOTE]
He might be bipolar and since he is 10 years old it just started Manifesting.
Mental Hospital anyone?
[QUOTE=Mr. N;27214167]I hate when people plead not guilty even though it beyond a doubt true they did it, but I digress.
Feel sorry for the family.
[editline]5th January 2011[/editline]
Well fuck[/QUOTE]
he plead not guilty to the charges against him; not that he didn't do the crime
[QUOTE=Prismatex;27215728]he plead not guilty to the charges against him; not that he didn't do the crime[/QUOTE]
Criminal charges are made as a formal accusation of them committing the crime. It'd make no sense that he pleaded not guilty, yet admits to the crime.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;27215913]Criminal charges are made as a formal accusation of them committing the crime. It'd make no sense that he pleaded not guilty, yet admits to the crime.[/QUOTE]
Guilty for manslaughter, not murder.
[QUOTE=Ca5bah;27190805]I seriously laughed my ass off when I saw the last name.
hint: OKERHOMER[/QUOTE]
Timothy McVeigh. Hardee Har har.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;27215913]Criminal charges are made as a formal accusation of them committing the crime. It'd make no sense that he pleaded not guilty, yet admits to the crime.[/QUOTE]
Yes, which means he may or may not have done the crime. "Shooting your mother" is not a criminal charge. It is.either unintentional manslaughter, intentional manslaughter, or murder. He might not be guilty of murder, just intentional manslaughter.
the only thing that gets me is that he pleaded not guilty
i mean seriously, how can he even sleep afterwards. he could be psychopathic
or develope psychopathy and should probably be treated
[QUOTE=DogGunn;27213887]All the more reason that America's culture of arming yourself with guns is bullshit.[/QUOTE]
:frog:
[QUOTE=DogGunn;27213887]All the more reason that America's culture of arming yourself with guns is bullshit.[/QUOTE]
every other country stabs each other instead
what's the difference
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27223855]the only thing that gets me is that he pleaded not guilty
i mean seriously, how can he even sleep afterwards. he could be psychopathic
or develope psychopathy and should probably be treated[/QUOTE]
1) He pleaded not guilty to the charge, he didn't say he didn't kill his mother.
2) You can't treat anti-social disorder in the first place with any effectiveness.
A rifle is a perfectly fine gift for a 10 year old, fuck. It's the fault of his parent's for not locking it and the ammo up.
Everyone jumps to THIS IS THE GUN'S FAULT!
did he shoot his eye out?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;27223773]Yes, which means he may or may not have done the crime. "Shooting your mother" is not a criminal charge. It is.either unintentional manslaughter, intentional manslaughter, or murder. He might not be guilty of murder, just intentional manslaughter.[/QUOTE]
Are you agreeing with me? lol
As I said, criminal charges is a formal [B]accusation [/B] of them committing the crime.
A person at his age cannot be found guilty of anything due to 'doli incapax' anyway. He's essentially underage, and assumed not to have the ability to commit wrong.
[editline]6th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=mastermaul;27225336]Everyone jumps to THIS IS THE GUN'S FAULT![/QUOTE]
If there wasn't such a gun culture in America, he wouldn't have been given a gun. No one is blaming the gun.
Just a little thing, his mom did not get him the gun, his grandfather did.
I was given a .22HP round and a semi-auto remington when I was 11-12ish. My step-dad taught me everything to know about the gun before even looking at it, discipline of a gun, how to maintain it. Pretty much everything, did I ever miss my target? No.
If you teach a kid about a gun, and be safe about it with them, they will learn and they will learn to love it.
Sure buy a kid a .22 just don't let him have access to it until you go shoot it
[QUOTE=DogGunn;27225702]Are you agreeing with me? lol
As I said, criminal charges is a formal [B]accusation [/B] of them committing the crime.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and he might not have been guilty of committing the crime of murder, he could be guilty of committing the crime of manslaughter.
Again, shooting your mother isn't a crime, murder and manslaughter are crimes.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;27226199]Yes, and he might not have been guilty of committing the crime of murder, he could be guilty of committing the crime of manslaughter. [/QUOTE]
Uhhh, I don't think you get it. At his age, he is deemed legally incapiable of committing a crime, and therefore cannot be found guilty.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;27226199]Again, shooting your mother isn't a crime[/QUOTE]
OH GOD IT'S NOT? Of course it's a crime...
[QUOTE=yawmwen;27226199]murder and manslaughter are crimes.[/QUOTE]
No, they're criminal charges made to punish a crime.
Crime: an act punishable by law; usually considered an evil act
Criminal charges: a formal accusation that a person has committed a crime
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