COPYCATS ALREADY: Man with 47 guns arrested after threatening elementary school - Polidicks

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38853650]47 guns. the definition of overkill[/QUOTE] My neighbor has around 60 guns :v:

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38855480]Both are collection hobbies[/QUOTE] Difference being that video games aren't made to kill other humans en masse. This is basic stuff

[QUOTE=teh pirate;38853830]If banning guns magically solved gun crime or even put a noticeable dent in it I'd happily sacrifice my hobby for it, but it won't, so all I can hope is that knee-jerk reactions to gun crime don't punish law abiding citizens like me.[/QUOTE] I don't know if you're aware of it, but the lot of you are always taking it to extremes saying that everybody is just chanting "ban all guns", which is definitely not the case. The guy said "I hope it doesn't impact gun laws" yet you just changed it to "ban guns" in general when replying. I don't know whether you guys do this subconsciously or not, but it severely damages any debate there might be, as you're suddenly representing to extremes instead of some moderate individuals. Not trying to start an argument here, but I'd found that this happens a lot in general and I really think it should stop.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;38862743]I don't know if you're aware of it, but the lot of you are always taking it to extremes saying that everybody is just chanting "ban all guns", which is definitely not the case. The guy said "I hope it doesn't impact gun laws" yet you just changed it to "ban guns" in general when replying. I don't know whether you guys do this subconsciously or not, but it severely damages any debate there might be, as you're suddenly representing to extremes instead of some moderate individuals. Not trying to start an argument here, but I'd found that this happens a lot in general and I really think it should stop.[/QUOTE] I've had to echo this point atleast three times over the past couple of days. I don't know how people read "gun control" and see "banning guns".

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38855480]Both are collection hobbies[/QUOTE] if people care so much about collecting guns then why not just have laws where the guns have to be permanently inoperable

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;38865063]if people care so much about collecting guns then why not just have laws where the guns have to be permanently inoperable[/QUOTE] Because they like to collect firearms, not modern art pieces

[QUOTE=DarkMonkey;38865087]Because they like to collect firearms, not modern art pieces[/QUOTE] if your sole reason is to "collect" them then what's the difference

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;38865063]if people care so much about collecting guns then why not just have laws where the guns have to be permanently inoperable[/QUOTE] if people care so much about collecting video games why don't they have laws where a toddler scrapes all the CDs with a key so the games are permanently inoperable, if the sole reason is to collect them what's the difference

[QUOTE=Aman VII;38865108]if people care so much about collecting video games why don't they have laws where a toddler scrapes all the CDs with a key so the games are permanently inoperable, if the sole reason is to collect them what's the difference[/QUOTE] why do you guys keep comparing this to video games are guns and video games literally the only things on your mind one's dangerous, the other isn't

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;38865114]why do you guys keep comparing this to video games are guns and video games literally the only things on your mind one's dangerous, the other isn't[/QUOTE] That's not the point of the argument.

[QUOTE=SCRAMPAGE;38865175]That's not the point of the argument.[/QUOTE] then tell me why it's such a big deal that your gun be operable if you're a collector I'm just asking a question. Sorry to kill all the gun nut boners

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;38865190]then tell me why it's such a big deal that your gun be operable if you're a collector I'm just asking a question. Sorry to kill all the gun nut boners[/QUOTE] Why is it a big deal if your video game operable if your a video game collector?

[QUOTE=Valnar;38865194]Why is it a big deal if your video game operable if your a video game collector?[/QUOTE] I'd have a very difficult time trying to kill a person with a video game They're completely different things so I don't understand why you guys keep comparing them. One was specifically invented to kill things quickly and efficiently. The other was invented for people to have fun with.

[QUOTE=MIPS;38853630]Rule 1: Don't brag, don't threaten. Just walk in and light shit up.[/QUOTE] you need to seek help brother

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;38865202]I'd have a very difficult time trying to kill a person with a video game They're completely different things so I don't understand why you guys keep comparing them. One was specifically invented to kill things quickly and efficiently. The other was invented for people to have fun with.[/QUOTE] I don't know, Slitting throats with a cd is fairly easy :v:

[QUOTE=Jacam12SUX;38865220]you need to seek help brother[/QUOTE] are you just realising this now

[QUOTE=MIPS;38853630]Rule 1: Don't brag, don't threaten. Just walk in and light shit up.[/QUOTE] are you talking from personal experience? [thumb]http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/9210/skinheadb.jpg[/thumb]

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;38865190]then tell me why it's such a big deal that your gun be operable if you're a collector I'm just asking a question. Sorry to kill all the gun nut boners[/QUOTE] I don't collect guns but a lot of the appeal of having a gun is being able to shoot it, and feel the recoil, and hear the sound they make. It's not just about the looks

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;38865757]I don't collect guns but a lot of the appeal of having a gun is being able to shoot it, and feel the recoil, and hear the sound they make. It's not just about the looks[/QUOTE] I may have an okay opinion on gun laws, but you're a gun-nut. Seek mental help.

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;38865757]I don't collect guns but a lot of the appeal of having a gun is being able to shoot it, and feel the recoil, and hear the sound they make. It's not just about the looks[/QUOTE] I think I care more about potentially saving lives than some gun nuts getting off to gun recoil

[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;38866520]I may have an okay opinion on gun laws, but you're a gun-nut. Seek mental help.[/QUOTE] uh what? I haven't even been on a range for 2 years or more. saying that having operational firearms and non-operational firearms have the same value to a collector is just illogical it's like saying that a car that's deactivated is the same as a functional car. both objects were designed to have a function, a car to drive, a gun to shoot (games, to play) deactivating them removes a key part of their characteristic. [QUOTE=MisterMooth;38866572]I think I care more about potentially saving lives than some gun nuts getting off to gun recoil[/QUOTE] most guns people collect won't be used in this sort of situation anyways. Collectable firearms are usually owned by wealthy people who put them in secure cabinets because they're bloody expensive. [B](People like this are the exception, that's why it's in the news) [/B] Most collectible guns are collectible because they're old. Newer firearms are likely to be more dangerous, reliable, and efficient at killing people, not to mention cheaper. I'm all for tighter control of guns in general but I think deactivating historical/collectible firearms is distracting from the actual problem. (I also think the entire [I]private ownership of guns against tyrannical gubernments[/I] thing is idiotic)

if your first reaction to a shooting is "oh shit gument gon take away ma guns" then u need to get your priorities set straight you fucking psychopath [editline]17th December 2012[/editline] not at anyone in particular cept maybe laserguided

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;38866574]uh what? I haven't even been on a range for 2 years or more. saying that having operational firearms and non-operational firearms have the same value to a collector is just illogical it's like saying that a car that's deactivated is the same as a functional car. both objects were designed to have a function, a car to drive, [b]a gun to shoot (games, to play)[/b] deactivating them removes a key part of their characteristic. most guns people collect won't be used in this sort of situation anyways. Collectable firearms are usually owned by wealthy people who put them in secure cabinets because they're bloody expensive. [B](People like this are the exception, that's why it's in the news) [/B] Most collectible guns are collectible because they're old. Newer firearms are likely to be more dangerous, reliable, and efficient at killing people, not to mention cheaper. I'm all for tighter control of guns in general but I think deactivating historical/collectible firearms is distracting from the actual problem. (I also think the entire [I]private ownership of guns against tyrannical gubernments[/I] thing is idiotic)[/QUOTE] Except neither of those is the function guns are designed for.

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;38866574]most guns people collect won't be used in this sort of situation anyways. Collectable firearms are usually owned by wealthy people who put them in secure cabinets because they're bloody expensive. [B](People like this are the exception, that's why it's in the news) [/B][/QUOTE] So? They're still operable weapons. The guy in the OP was a "collector" and look what almost happened. I realise he'd be a minority but the point is that it can happen. Whether or not they're old or new, they're still weapons that were designed to kill. I merely suggested that if people wanted guns so easily for the sole purpose of collecting, then why not just make them have to be inoperable. I don't care if some people can get access to [I]certain[/I] operable weapons, as long as the process is more strict and genuine reasons are given. IMO, reasons like "self-defence" and whatever shouldn't be accepted.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38866793]Except neither of those is the function guns are designed for.[/QUOTE] I get that guns are designed to shoot things, things can be people, targets, etc. That in itself makes them dangerous, therefore collecting operational firearms is a more dangerous hobby than collecting cars, or games, or other things (maybe not knives or swords) OK. However my main point is [quote]I think deactivating historical/collectible firearms is distracting from the actual problem.[/quote] because while collectible guns are dangerous they're highly unlikely to be used in these events. [QUOTE=MisterMooth;38866838]So? They're still operable weapons. The guy in the OP was a "collector" and look what almost happened. I realise he'd be a minority but the point is that it can happen. Whether or not they're old or new, they're still weapons that were designed to kill. [B]I merely suggested that if people wanted guns so easily for the sole purpose of collecting, then why not just make them have to be inoperable. I don't care if some people can get access to [I]certain[/I] operable weapons, as long as the process is more strict and genuine reasons are given. IMO, reasons like "self-defence" and whatever shouldn't be accepted.[/B][/QUOTE] well in my opinion getting access to firearms should have the same level of difficulty for all operational guns, regardless of age or collectibility. (your way sounds fine) However I don't think people would want deactivated firearms as much as "live" for the "sole purpose of collecting", well because, gun collectors like to shoot their guns, for the reasons I stated earlier.

I'm all for the right to bear arms and arm bears and whatever but why do you need 50 guns exactly

[QUOTE=latin_geek;38866987]I'm all for the right to bear arms and arm bears and whatever but why do you need 50 guns exactly[/QUOTE] to keep yourself poor the weight of all their guns is sinking the american trailer trash into poverty :eng101:

[QUOTE=MIPS;38853630]Rule 1: Don't brag, don't threaten. Just walk in and light shit up.[/QUOTE] I don't know why you guys are getting worked up over this post. If you want to do something illegal, you don't advertise it, you just go and do it. [editline]17th December 2012[/editline] simple logic.

You see, this is why media shouldn't be broadcasting the guys life and what they're finding out 24/7 They should be focusing on the victims of the crime and by talking about the guy people will want to do it too so they'll become famous when they die Guns aren't the problem, the media is

[QUOTE=mopman999;38853699]Well got me there. Thing is most of them I got for free or cheap, don't these cost upwards of hundreds of dollars?[/QUOTE] sometimes upwards of thousands of dollars, but chances are he was a milsurp collector. I know a guy who collects different variants of the Mosin Nagant rifle, he has about 25 of them last I checked and that only cost him around $5000.