Man and Woman are Caned Under Sharia Law in Indonesia for Being ‘Seen in Close Proximity’

[JumpinJackFlash]

[QUOTE=Mingebox;49422969]And yet they have and continue to do so.
Oh now they're the real ones. All those hundreds of years before, they had it all wrong. They weren't [I]real [/I]Christians. But now they've finally got it, and just in time, too, because doing inquisitions and stuff was getting to be a bit of a faux pas. Speaking of self-serving jackasses, maybe you should how still quite varied peoples interpretations on giving away material possessions and rendering unto Caesar is.[/QUOTE]Nah, it's pretty straightforward. I'm not going to argue with you about this because it is plainly written and aside from whatever mental gymnastics people like to pull out when they're expected to be a decent human being and still stubbornly refuse, they all agree on what's actually written in the book. (even if they don't practice it, and the majority of Christians don't)

[QUOTE=Mingebox;49422969]Probably because I don't give a shit about Islam, but do give a shit about giving a religion credit for simply playing catchup with modern sensibilities.[/QUOTE]So the moral code of Western nations that was literally taken from the moral code found in Christianity? Okay. Not sure how you can "give a religion credit for playing catchup" with itself but whatever.

Either way you're essentially saying, "yeah I don't really care, I just don't like it that you're not being a meany head about Christianity too." If this thread was about some nasty shit Christians do, yeah, I totally would.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;49422969]And once again, the Old Testament always seems to be conveniently invalid by who don't like it's rules and valid by people who do.[/QUOTE]Once again, it's plain as fucking day as to why it's invalid. Like, literally, it's exactly why the [I]son of God himself[/I] showed up... I mean if you're going to disagree with that you automatically can't be a Christian. There is no logical way you can say otherwise, wishy washy "interpretation" arguments aside.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;49422969]LMAO. Yeah, right up until they had enough to enough people so start spreading through pointy bits of metal, and quite frequently, amusingly enough, to slaves and servants.[/QUOTE]Weren't you saying that anyone anywhere can use whatever they want for justification? So which is it?

I already said I don't give a shit about what happened afterward and I was not talking about that. I said that pretty clearly actually, because then it's a question of the Catholic church (which is fucking awful) versus the predominantly Muslim middle east. (I believe I've made my opinion about Islam quite clear by now)

[QUOTE=Mingebox;49422969]No more than Christianity.[/QUOTE]Uh, for thirteen years Mohammad had approximately a hundred and fifty followers because nobody else liked him or approved of his bullshit. He was the Scientology equivalent of Mecca. So yeah actually they actually did use violence to spread a hell of a lot more than Christianity.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;49422969]If history has shown anything, the "core" of a religion doesn't really matter a whole lot. As you say yourself, people are just being people, and seeing as how people can justify such a wide range of behaviours based on the same religion, the fine details don't really matter.[/QUOTE]... Yes it does and yes they do? What a completely stupid argument to make.

Here's what you have yet to do:

Refute the actual point that Islam is based off the violent actions of Mohammad and his cronies
Provide proof of "calls to violence" in the New Testament
Prove that the Old Testament's commandments are valid for Christians today

There's more but let's be honest here, I doubt you'll do any of that. You said plainly that you "don't care about Islam" and are clearly taking a general anti-theist approach and just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. Really this isn't even about increasingly off-topic argument about Islam and Christianity anymore, this is about your dislike of religion in general which is even further off-topic.

Unless you have something of substantial value to add to this discussion I think I've said all that needs to be said here.

[Sgman91]

[QUOTE=Mingebox;49422302]Oh yeah, like Christians never sacked any cities and slaughtered the heathens. You can find plenty of calls to violence in the Bible, along with the all the other sorts of backwards beliefs. But it doesn't matter if the Bible has just have the infidel slaughtering action, because one line is all extremists need to kill people. You can argue about how the New Testament is competely non-canon, and what a great religion it would be if everyone just did what Jesus said until you're blue in the face, but I think it borders on sycophantic to gives Christians a pat on the back for being so much better than Muslims after they had to be dragged every step into it's currently watered-down version after over a thousand years of violence and oppression.[/QUOTE]

You aren't making the key distinction between "what's in the Bible" and what Christians are supposed to do. Christians are not commanded to kill towns like the Jews sometimes were in the Old Testament. Christians are not commanded to follow the harsh punishments in the Old Testament. Etc. Yes those things are there, but Christians are not called to do them.

This kind of separation doesn't exist in Islam. All the scripture applies equally to modern Muslims as it did to the first Muslims.

[babalenong]

as far as i know this is strictly aceh's thing, that city is really fucked up afaik, the have alcoholic bar near mosque and other haram stuff but they also really enforces sharia's law. You wont see stuff like this in other cities though (i hope)

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I'll start accepting the Arab world as having a place in modern society when they do away with this fucking bullshit.