OH SHIT, SON! The FCC just redefined broadband to be 25Mbps and up. ISPs pissed as hell, Republicans - Polidicks

I'm not saying this is isn't good, but it dosn't solve the problem which is the monopoly the companies have. There need to be actual competition in the market, which there is very little of. This is like setting the maximum price for gas to $5 to solve a monopoly in an area.

[QUOTE=mrpirate;47035842]I'm not saying this is isn't good, but it dosn't solve the problem which is the monopoly the companies have. There need to be actual competition in the market, which there is very little of. This is like setting the maximum price for gas to $5 to solve a monopoly in an area.[/QUOTE] So what is your suggestion then? I'm not trying to be confrontational, I'm genuinely curious as to how people want to prevent monopolies.

Considering back home in Maryland the best download speed my family home can get up to is 300 kb/s, this is great news. Maybe I'll actually have decent internet for once.

[QUOTE=QUILTBAG;47035894]So what is your suggestion then? I'm not trying to be confrontational, I'm genuinely curious as to how people want to prevent monopolies.[/QUOTE] allowing small companies to piggyback on the infrastructure of existing ISPs would be a good start

[QUOTE=hydrated;47035912]allowing small companies to piggyback on the infrastructure of existing ISPs would be a good start[/QUOTE] Yeah we have a system like that in Denmark. Here the biggest company TDC owns most of the cables, but other companies can rent access at sensible prices. Some argue here that the prices for other companies to rent access is to high, but it's aparently not that high we that we don't have proper competition here. Paying about $50 per month for 100/100 Mbit from a small company called Fibia.

[QUOTE=hydrated;47035912]allowing small companies to piggyback on the infrastructure of existing ISPs would be a good start[/QUOTE] On that note, this was about a month ago, and this has every bit to do with the FCC's direction and the ISPs shitting in their boots as the 700,000+ comments the FCC received from the public (overwhelmingly supporting tighter net neutrality controls on ISPs). [URL="http://bgr.com/2015/01/01/google-fiber-vs-comcast/"]Google Fiber’s latest FCC filing is Comcast’s nightmare come to life[/URL] [QUOTE]Google this week told the FCC that reclassifying broadband providers under Title II of the Telecommunications Act would have a big side benefit for Google Fiber because it would give Google Fiber the same access to utility poles and other key infrastructure currently enjoyed by Comcast, AT&T and other big-name ISPs. In particular, Google tells the FCC that it’s had trouble gaining access to some utility poles, ducts, conduits and rights of way while it’s been rolling out Google Fiber. If it were regulated more like a utility, Google Fiber would be given access to these pieces of infrastructure, which would make it much cheaper and easier to build out its high-speed fiber network in new markets.[/QUOTE] Here comes Google Fiber as an ISP (in some form, Google's not a conventional telco) to embarrass the big ISPs and force them to compete or just openly admit they're dinosaurs trying to hold everyone back while they milk as much as they can out of their aging business model. And I'm willing to bet that Google would be more willing to have startups and smaller guys piggyback on it, as long as it still got advertising revenue out of the usage. This remains to be seen, but I trust Google more than I do Verizon and Comcast. The only thing I trust Comcast and Verizon to do is fuck over consumers. [editline]29th January 2015[/editline] And Title II means piggybacking as a whole becomes easier, too. Some special character in that quote breaks editing.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;47035990]On that note, this was about a month ago, and this has every bit to do with the FCC's direction and the ISPs shitting in their boots as the 700,000+ comments the FCC received from the public (overwhelmingly supporting tighter net neutrality controls on ISPs). [URL="http://bgr.com/2015/01/01/google-fiber-vs-comcast/"]Google Fiber’s latest FCC filing is Comcast’s nightmare come to life[/URL] Here comes Google Fiber as an ISP (in some form, Google's not a conventional telco) to embarrass the big ISPs and force them to compete or just openly admit they're dinosaurs trying to hold everyone back while they milk as much as they can out of their aging business model. And I'm willing to bet that Google would be more willing to have startups and smaller guys piggyback on it, as long as it still got advertising revenue out of the usage. This remains to be seen, but I trust Google more than I do Verizon and Comcast. The only thing I trust Comcast and Verizon to do is fuck over consumers.[/QUOTE] Google continues to impress me, they're one of the few big (well, even the biggest depending on the year and who you ask) companies that don't get their hands too dirty or corrupted, they do what they think will benefit people as a whole.

[QUOTE=Secone;47036004]Google continues to impress me, they're one of the few big (well, even the biggest depending on the year and who you ask) companies that don't get their hands too dirty or corrupted, they do what they think will benefit people as a whole.[/QUOTE] You don't know what they are doing with your data, so I wouldn't say that. I for a fact think that it's very dangerous that Google is going to become bigger and bigger offering more and more services. If they keep going like this, it'll end up as a company that does virtually everything. Read the book 'The Circle' by Dave Eggers I am really not one of those people that care about Facebook changing their ToS that they can use your photos, in fact, I don't really care if Google has a lot of information about me, I've got nothing to hide, but, I still think it's dangerous if they keep growing.

I don't think Google does it for the people, lol. Google just doesn't do generally stupid shit like other ISPs do

[quote] “The report notes that 4K TV requires 25Mbps, but 4K TV is still relatively new and is not expected to be widely adopted for years to come. While the statute directs us to look at advanced capability, this stretches the concept to an untenable extreme. [b]Some people, for example, believe probably incorrectly that we are on a path to interplanetary teleportation. Should we include the estimated bandwidth for that as well?[/b]” [url]http://bgr.com/2015/01/29/fcc-broadband-vote-25mbps/[/url] [/quote] Republicans

Absolutely glorious. See, this is what we could have if Congress would stop being a bunch of whiny partisan bitches. This is excellent news, 'specially for me as I'm out on the fringes of society(Literally) and my best internet option is ATT Fast-Access DSL. I pay nearly 80 bucks a month for a 10mbdown/1mbup line, get maybe a fourth that, and my only other options are dialup and Hughes' Net(Which is even worse). Kick them in the balls!

Google isn't really doing any more than any other big tech company. Google has chrome, android, chromecast, a map service, and a search engine. anything else they do is free experimental software tucked deep into their website or some limited release developer hardware like the nexus. Microsoft on the other hand has a web browser, a desktop operating system, a server operating system, a mobile operating system, an embedded operating system, a mapping service, a search engine, a game console, a video game studio, an office suite, etc. the only thing google is doing that's really out of the ordinary is their fiber service

Get Rekt Republicans

[QUOTE=TestECull;47036079]Absolutely glorious. See, this is what we could have [B]if Congress would stop being a bunch of whiny partisan bitches[/B]. This is excellent news, 'specially for me as I'm out on the fringes of society(Literally) and my best internet option is ATT Fast-Access DSL. I pay nearly 80 bucks a month for a 10mbdown/1mbup line, get maybe a fourth that, and my only other options are dialup and Hughes' Net(Which is even worse). [/QUOTE] Oh, it's way more than just being whiny partisan bitches. They're in Comcast's pocket. Posting a new thread about related stories. [QUOTE=hydrated;47036098]Google isn't really doing any more than any other big tech company. Google has chrome, android, chromecast, a map service, and a search engine. anything else they do is free experimental software tucked deep into their website or some limited release developer hardware like the nexus. Microsoft on the other hand has a web browser, a desktop operating system, a server operating system, a mobile operating system, an embedded operating system, a mapping service, a search engine, a game console, a video game studio, an office suite, etc. the only thing google is doing that's really out of the ordinary is their fiber service[/QUOTE] Microsoft used to be a dialup ISP, too. MSN Internet, anyone? I did tech support for that shit, too.

[QUOTE=hydrated;47036098]Google isn't really doing any more than any other big tech company. Google has chrome, android, chromecast, a map service, and a search engine. anything else they do is free experimental software tucked deep into their website or some limited release developer hardware like the nexus. [/QUOTE] Dont forget Youtube... .. actually, yeah. lets forget youtube. I hope this is a game changer for places outside of the continental USA that are still part of the USA. Im tired of paying 80$ a month for 10mbps speed.

[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;47035735]Please explain.[/QUOTE] I bet you're oodles of fun at parties. Or LANs, if that'd be more appropriate.

[QUOTE=bobxrawks;47036126]Dont forget Youtube... .. actually, yeah. lets forget youtube. I hope this is a game changer for places outside of the continental USA that are still part of the USA. Im tired of paying 80$ a month for 10mbps speed.[/QUOTE] yeah there is youtube, but then again there's also msn video, aol video, amazon instant video, etc.

[QUOTE]although Sprint is saying that it wouldn't hurt the industry (while Verizon is screaming that it'll kill them).[/QUOTE] I have liked what Sprint has advertised recently about trying to compete with AT&T and Verizon with this and the commercial about cutting your phone bill in half. Its great seeing some companies that trys to help the consumer and not deepening their pockets with a monopoly.

Does anyone else have Cox? A few months ago they doubled all there packages speeds. Minimum is now 50. I get 100, which is fantastic.

for whatever reason they only recently got rid of google video too

[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;47036142]I bet you're oodles of fun at parties. Or LANs, if that'd be more appropriate.[/QUOTE] [img]http://ecomputernotes.com/images/Synchronous-Transmission.jpg[/img] This is what digital transmission looks like. The pipe analogy is misleading, because twice the "bandwith" doesn't mean more data is sent "at once" (like in a bigger water pipe), it's just the same bitstream being sent twice as fast.

[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;47035735]Please explain.[/QUOTE] There IS width in data transmission. DSL which is what most residential data services is provided over is split into several channels by frequency range for both upstream and downstream, each of these can carry a series of bits. It's this parallel transmission that actually allows for higher data transfer rates, otherwise you end up having to have higher frequency signals that are subject to more noise. Perhaps in FTTP you would be right in saying that the transmission is purely sequential but honestly I don't know. I do know that even at a higher level fiber can carry multiple transmissions as the light can enter at different angles and due to total internal reflection will exit at the same angle, thus also giving parallel transmission. I'm not sure how that's utilized.

[QUOTE=hydrated;47036098]Google isn't really doing any more than any other big tech company. Google has chrome, android, chromecast, a map service, and a search engine. anything else they do is free experimental software tucked deep into their website or some limited release developer hardware like the nexus. Microsoft on the other hand has a web browser, a desktop operating system, a server operating system, a mobile operating system, an embedded operating system, a mapping service, a search engine, a game console, a video game studio, an office suite, etc. the only thing google is doing that's really out of the ordinary is their fiber service[/QUOTE] The Nexus is limited release developer hardware? News to me.

[QUOTE=Levelog;47036227]The Nexus is limited release developer hardware? News to me.[/QUOTE] it might not be anymore but that was the idea behind the nexus one. hence the unlockable bootloader and ability to root without sideloading or weird software hacks

[QUOTE=ben1066;47036201]There IS width in data transmission. DSL which is what most residential data services is provided over is split into several channels by frequency range for both upstream and downstream, each of these can carry a series of bits. It's this parallel transmission that actually allows for higher data transfer rates, otherwise you end up having to have higher frequency signals that are subject to more noise. Perhaps in FTTP you would be right in saying that the transmission is purely sequential but honestly I don't know. I do know that even at a higher level fiber can carry multiple transmissions as the light can enter at different angles and due to total internal reflection will exit at the same angle, thus also giving parallel transmission. I'm not sure how that's utilized.[/QUOTE] Ultimately though, "bandwith" isn't being measured hertz, it's being measured in bits per second - transmission speed.

[QUOTE=hydrated;47036241]it might not be anymore but that was the idea behind the nexus one. hence the unlockable bootloader and ability to root without sideloading or weird software hacks[/QUOTE] The Nexus brand has been a major consumer product for years.

[QUOTE=Levelog;47036264]The Nexus brand has been a major consumer product for years.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=hydrated;47036241][B]it might not be anymore but that was the idea[/B] behind the nexus one. hence the unlockable bootloader and ability to root without sideloading or weird software hacks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=hydrated;47035657]not like the dems aren't in someone's pocket too [editline]29th January 2015[/editline] the slowest speed my ISP still sells is 50 mbps anyway. there are still people on slower plans but if you buy a new plan today then it's 50 mbps or faster[/QUOTE] Contrast that with rural customers, such as myself, who's [i]fastest[/i] option is 10mb/1mb DSL that realistically only gets a fourth its advertised speed. I sure love downloading Steam games at 250KB/s and never being able to watch HD videos/twitch streams without transcoding. [i]It's fucking wonderful.[/i] /sarcasm

[QUOTE=Banned?;47036305]-2 quotes-[/QUOTE] I understand what he said, but it's not like the Nexus is just recently out of being a dev device. It's an established product. If he didn't know this, then my reply was stupid, if his point was to say it started as one, then my point stands.

Nothing will change, it won't get faster, companies will just start saying stuff like "high speed internet" instead of "fast broadband internet".