Will.i.am admits to using auto-tune. In other news, grass is green and bears shit in woods, new stud
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What ever happened to actually singing?
[QUOTE=Slowbro;36086393]The early Black Eyed Peas shit (first two albums) was actually very good. And actually contained rapping.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH8FctYMM80[/media][/QUOTE]
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Macy Gray is awesome, I'm not watching that video because I don't like TBEP, but MG is good.
[QUOTE=Pandamox;36085991]wait, what? there's so many things wrong with this. his lyrics are fucking terrible, wasting time writing terrible lyrics isn't an excuse for not having any singing talent either. what a fucking knobhead.
and a rare combination to have someone who can write songs and sing well? WHAT. look at any famous artist prior to like 2000 and they have at least some decent lyrics with decent singing capabilities unlike his shit[/QUOTE]
Nope. Most singers didn't write their music, and still don't. Most songwriters don't sing their music as well. Also, a lot of the music you might be thinking of don't exactly have great singers from a technical perspective. It's like how Kurt Kobain was a mediocre guitarist, decent vocalist, but he was an excellent musician because he had style.
Also, anyone who thinks auto-tune is inherently bad needs to go back to the days before effects processing, for real. We don't need you in the 21st century. Pitch Correction processing is NO DIFFERENT than using reverb or delay to simulate room acoustics, or using EQ to sweeten a sound, or using a flanger to simulate tape flange, or using phase reversal to get rid of phase cancellation issues.
The point of music is creativity and aesthetic/aural appeal. It isn't some dick waving contest of who can sing better, or play guitar faster, or who uses less processing on their sounds. If you get a good sound, it doesn't matter how you got there.
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[QUOTE=BloodYScar;36087925]Talkboxes work totally different. You basicly play the synth, which still takes skill (at least as much as
a synth solo would take) and modify the sound with your mouth. Its not even singing.
I got a talkbox myself, and to form words is actually harder than it sounds like, although youll get used to it.
Autotune however can turn everything that isnt completely fucked up into on-key singing. It doesnt
require musical talent, it requires technical knowledge, which is not what a musician should necessarily have.
It is selling a lie, because it sounds legit to the normal ear, vocoders and talkboxes on the other hand are obvious effects.[/QUOTE]
Thanks to the gift of MIDI you don't have to actually know how to play a synth anymore. Seriously, we are in the 21st century. We can automate and digitally alter almost any parameter of a synthesizer, processor, MIDI information, etc. on the fly.
Musicianship is about creativity, not skill.
[QUOTE=Lordgeorge16;36086000]Typical [sub]c[/sub]rap artists, can't produce anything good. I think we can all agree that this is the one acceptable rap song.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVbQo3IOC_A[/media][/QUOTE]
silly rap it isn't music its just talkin to a beat
fuck this low talent horseshit imma go back to listening to bullet for my valentine and system of a down!!!!
Thank you thread starter, for teaching me that bears shit in the woods.
OH, I knew the rest already...
I wonder who else can come "clean" about this...
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;36088578]silly rap it isn't music its just talkin to a beat
fuck this low talent horseshit imma go back to listening to bullet for my valentine and system of a down!!!![/QUOTE]
when i want suburban whiteboy angst i go to linkin park.
[QUOTE=Lankist;36088631]when i want suburban whiteboy angst i go to linkin park.[/QUOTE]
Truthfully, these days when I want suburban whiteboy angst I can go to NWA.
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Straight outta comptom mothafucka[/I]
[QUOTE=Lankist;36088631]when i want suburban whiteboy angst i go to linkin park.[/QUOTE]
but listening to music about the armenian genocide practically makes me a hardworking political activist,
[QUOTE=J!NX;36088540]What ever happened to actually singing?
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Macy Gray is awesome, I'm not watching that video because I don't like TBEP, but MG is good.[/QUOTE]
watch it, it's from back when they were actually good.
tbh, macy's hook makes the song, it's worth listening to just for her.
In other news, the pope has confessed to being a Catholic.
Does he really spell his name Will.i.am?
That is pretentious.
Am I the only one who thinks autotune isn't a bad thing? As long as it's used in a way that makes it sounds better, it's fine by me. Do only 'bad' mathematicians use calculators? It's just a tool, isn't it?
[QUOTE=koeniginator;36089583]It's just a tool, isn't it?[/QUOTE]
Some people don't like it for its sound, but the majority don't like it for its simplicity which is stupid.
[QUOTE=AK'z;36087551]I think there's too much negativity regarding autotune. It is usually due to the amount of RnB/pop artists that use it but there are plenty of electronic and rock ones that use it.
Vocoder didn't get this much stick, they're both vocal filters imo.[/QUOTE]
I don't mind when it's used as a effect and it's obvious, it's just when it's used to fix singing that's meant to sound untreated. I think it's dishonest.
[QUOTE=Eric95;36089882]I don't mind when it's used as a effect and it's obvious, it's just when it's used to fix singing that's meant to sound untreated. I think it's dishonest.[/QUOTE]
A talk box is pretty much the same damn thing, but you never see people bitching about how Daft Punk is shit for using them.
[QUOTE=Eric95;36089882]I don't mind when it's used as a effect and it's obvious, it's just when it's used to fix singing that's meant to sound untreated. I think it's dishonest.[/QUOTE]
I don't reckon William I am uses it to fix his pitch even though he says so in the interview. In the Boom Boom Pow song, it would not have worked had he not used autotune, it's a part of his personality.
Well, a talk box has a distinct sound, just like Auto-Tune when it's exaggerated as an effect. Talk box vocals always sound like talk box vocals. Auto-Tune, when used for regular pitch correction, usually isn't obvious and to most people a subtly auto-tuned vocal track sounds just like a pitch-perfect untreated vocal track. That's why I dislike it.
[QUOTE=AK'z;36089997]I don't reckon William I am uses it to fix his pitch even though he says so in the interview. In the Boom Boom Pow song, it would not have worked had he not used autotune, it's a part of his personality.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I don't think the way Will.i.am uses it is wrong because it's used as an effect and embraced instead of using it as some kind of sneaky tool.
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If you get a good sound, it doesn't matter how you got there.[/QUOTE]
You're implying that will.i.am ever got a good sound
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;36090429]You're implying that will.i.am ever got a good sound[/QUOTE]
No, he's implying that if someone (not necessarily will.i.am) got a good sound from using autotune then it's not foul play.
this is like saying t-pain autotunes
[QUOTE=AK'z;36087551]I think there's too much negativity regarding autotune. It is usually due to the amount of RnB/pop artists that use it but there are plenty of electronic and rock ones that use it.
Vocoder didn't get this much stick, they're both vocal filters imo.
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He doesn't really sing, there's a method of singing where you make autotune sound like how you want it to. It's a pretty unique technique so it's not all "it does it for you no effort".[/QUOTE]
Auto-tune, if well used, can be pretty neat, but it very rarely is. It's mostly used by shit 'musicians' who can't sing worth a dime and use it as easy-mode/
[QUOTE=mfb412;36090799]but it very rarely is.[/QUOTE]
That's why you've got to find the places to look for things that you will like. My advice is avoid the radio and search on your own steam.
[QUOTE=stawicki;36090795]this is like saying t-pain autotunes[/QUOTE]
T-pain does/did use auto tune.
[QUOTE=Eric95;36090046]Well, a talk box has a distinct sound, just like Auto-Tune when it's exaggerated as an effect. Talk box vocals always sound like talk box vocals. Auto-Tune, when used for regular pitch correction, usually isn't obvious and to most people a subtly auto-tuned vocal track sounds just like a pitch-perfect untreated vocal track. That's why I dislike it.
Yes, I don't think the way Will.i.am uses it is wrong because it's used as an effect and embraced instead of using it as some kind of sneaky tool.[/QUOTE]
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one example of good auto-tune usage: petrucci did this demo to show james labrie what he was looking for in tone and time, and he used auto-tune in the chorus because his voice range isn't enough to get to the notes he needs to display. Now, when entire songs are made around it, it's just fucking stupid
Wait, bears shit in the woods? I thought it was the pope.
Dammit CJ, you failed me again!
This thread title made me laugh for like 10 minutes straight
I have no problem with autotune, sometimes It can be used effectively.
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[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;36090429]You're implying that will.i.am ever got a good sound[/QUOTE] That's not for me to say, that's for his fans and critics to decide amongst themselves. I'm saying that use of Auto-Tune for pitch correction purposes alone doesn't detract from Will.i.am's sound.
[quote]"It's a rare combination to have someone who can write songs and sing well.[/quote]
That would be acceptable if he could actually write decent songs, case in point being I Gotta Feeling.
What's next, tomorrow we're gonna hear Sly Stallone admit that he's done some action movies back in the day? Or Ricky Martin finally coming out the closet?
He comes across as a genuinely funny and nice guy on The Voice, this story is pretty much publicity to get the viewing figures back up I guess.
[QUOTE=SnakeHead;36086346]Old school shit like NWA and underground artists/groups like Immortal Technique and Jedi Mind Tricks are the the only acceptable rappers to listen to in my book. Fuck people like will.i.am, they ruin rap everyone.[/QUOTE]
Am I the only one who is getting tired of hearing how Immortal Technique and Jedi Mind Tricks are the the only real rappers around? Why are these the only two who get mentioned when these discussions come up?
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