[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45585113]Man. Despite all the Ghibli love I still hate Grave of the Fireflies.
The universal appeal of the movie makes it pretty great.[/QUOTE]
what don't you like about it?
I'm not ashamed to admit that I only made it through 20 minutes of Grave of the Fireflies.
It's that heavy.
Fun fact: If it wasn't for Grave, Totoro wouldn't have been financed. Both movies were released as a double-feature, and [B]Grave of the Fireflies[/B] was seen as the reliable money-maker, as it was a WW2 story and yeah. Totoro was seen as too fanciful and out there as a concept, but they agreed to go in when Isao Takahata's production was glued to it.
Personal side derail [sp]I managed to see Spirited Away in the only theatre west of Ontario showing it during its original Canadian run. It caused me to meet my first boyfriend. Good memories.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Y'all.;45585120]what don't you like about it?[/QUOTE]
It was a good movie but its just [sp]the drama with the aunt(?) that leads up that ending was really stupid. What the brother did annoyed me and really took away from the emotional feel train.[/sp]
I'm not sure who's right.
[url]http://us.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/2citoa/studio_ghibli_announces_closure/[/url]
Top comment says it's not shutting down, and it was made an hour ago. As was the update to this thread.
My little sister is crying in the other room after this news.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45585172]It was a good movie but its just [sp]the drama with the aunt(?) that leads up that ending was really stupid. What the brother did annoyed me and really took away from the emotional feel train.[/sp][/QUOTE]
I'm not criticizing you or your opinion, but you do know that [sp]Grave was partially autobiographical [/sp] right? Especially [sp]the leadup to and the death of the sister http://www.nausicaa.net/wiki/Grave_of_the_Fireflies_(Nosaka_Interview)[/sp]
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45585172]It was a good movie but its just [sp]the drama with the aunt(?) that leads up that ending was really stupid. What the brother did annoyed me and really took away from the emotional feel train.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]i can understand that i guess. that was a big part of what made it so tragic for me though, he was too proud and too obsessed with being independent/acting as a parent to the point where it killed them both.[/sp]
[QUOTE=booster;45583140]Just don't miss out on Cowboy Bebop, it's some legit stuff.[/QUOTE]
One of the most overrated anime of all time.
Just for the record, Ghibli doesn't make "children's films". How anybody can look at a story about two little girls learning to come to terms with the possible death of their mother and the eventual erosion of their childhood innocence and call that a kid's movie is just beyond me.
I mean, yeah, the majority of their movies don't have sex and violence but I wasn't aware that was all it took to be a kid's movie
[QUOTE=Y'all.;45585238][sp]i can understand that i guess. that was a big part of what made it so tragic for me though, he was too proud and too obsessed with being independent/acting as a parent to the point where it killed them both.[/sp][/QUOTE]
On that very point, [sp]Grave the movie is a faithful adaptation (with the exception of the kids-as-ghosts narrative device added by director Isao Takahata) of the manga, which itself is semi-autobiographical. See spoilers in my previous reply; the story was written as an apology to the author's little sister for letting her die of malnutrition. The author had to resist whitewashing his protagonist and have Seita making the right choice where he personally failed in various situations.[/sp]
[url]http://www.thevine.com.au/entertainment/ghibli/studio-ghibli-is-not-actually-closing-20140804-284024/[/url]
Show's over, just a mistranslation that got reported in Western media.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;45585284]Just for the record, Ghibli doesn't make "children's films". How anybody can look at a story about two little girls learning to come to terms with the possible death of their mother and the eventual erosion of their childhood innocence and call that a kid's movie is just beyond me.[/QUOTE]
[sp]Mei, I'm scared.[/sp] is a line from that movie that should give any fan of it a little chill of recognition. Especially the music that follows it.
[QUOTE=Novangel;45585333][url]http://www.thevine.com.au/entertainment/ghibli/studio-ghibli-is-not-actually-closing-20140804-284024/[/url]
Show's over, just a mistranslation that got reported in Western media.[/QUOTE]
Oh thank Totoro. I'll forgive you for that automerge fail.
Stugio Ghibli may be restructuring and getting out of feature films, according to the article, but not shutting down. I can live with that if the quality remains high.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;45585284]Just for the record, Ghibli doesn't make "children's films". How anybody can look at a story about two little girls learning to come to terms with the possible death of their mother and the eventual erosion of their childhood innocence and call that a kid's movie is just beyond me.
I mean, yeah, the majority of their movies don't have sex and violence but I wasn't aware that was all it took to be a kid's movie[/QUOTE]
i would call my neighbour totoro a kids movie, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have a significant message/it can't be appreciated by adults. i put it on the same level as monsters inc and WALL-E.
Their movies are iconic and magnificent works of the medium. Its hard to be sad about this when we have such a wealth of great movies from them. Its a shame, but we received their very best and Its always exciting to see what might rise from the ashes.
Edit: Should've looked a few posts above me, duh. Don't wanna snip though.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;45585284]
I mean, yeah, the majority of their movies don't have sex and violence but I wasn't aware that was all it took to be a kid's movie[/QUOTE]
I don't see the point in shielding kids from darker themes and graphic violence. They're good experiences and might make them appreciate things more.
Hell, plenty of Disney classics from the west have the death of a parent.
I know that I watched Princess Mononoke at like 10 without being traumatized.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;45585284]Just for the record, Ghibli doesn't make "children's films". How anybody can look at a story about two little girls learning to come to terms with the possible death of their mother and the eventual erosion of their childhood innocence and call that a kid's movie is just beyond me.
I mean, yeah, the majority of their movies don't have sex and violence but I wasn't aware that was all it took to be a kid's movie[/QUOTE]
Ghibli does make kids films, like Arrietty, Spirited Away, Ponyo, and Howl's Moving Castle, which have amazing all ages appeal, but they also make a ton of serious movies like Grave of the Fireflies and a lot of their recent movies like From Up on Poppy Hill and The Wind Rises. The thing that put them into trouble was that they haven't had a good "all ages" kind of movie like Totoro, like Kiki's, like Spirited Away, for a long time now. I'm pretty sure Ponyo was their most successful film to date, financially, and that was in 2008.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;45585340][sp]Mei, I'm scared.[/sp] is a line from that movie that should give any fan of it a little chill of recognition. Especially the music that follows it.[/QUOTE]
I really shouldn't care, but for fuck's sake how many decades are we going to keep on misidentifying masterworks of the medium of film before we realize that animated =/= for kidz?
[editline]4th August 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Banned?;45585375]Ghibli does make kids films, like Arrietty, Spirited Away, Ponyo, and Howl's Moving Castle, which have amazing all ages appeal, but they also make a ton of serious movies like Grave of the Fireflies and a lot of their recent movies like From Up on Poppy Hill and The Wind Rises. The thing that put them into trouble was that they haven't had a good "all ages" kind of movie like Totoro, like Kiki's, like Spirited Away, for a long time now. I'm pretty sure Ponyo was their most successful film to date, financially, and that was in 2008.[/QUOTE]
I don't see how Kiki's Delivery Service or Arietty the Borrower are either kid's movies or not serious. In fact, I'd say KDS deals with stuff that's a lot more relevant for young adults than children.
Howl's Moving Castle is the same way. What part of war, nationalism, and political intrigue screams "for kids"?
Ponyo being a kid's movie I can kinda see, just because of how light hearted and storybooky it is. But it's by far an exception to the usual tone of Ghibli's stuff, not the rule.
[editline]4th August 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Y'all.;45585344]i would call my neighbour totoro a kids movie, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have a significant message/it can't be appreciated by adults. i put it on the same level as monsters inc and WALL-E.[/QUOTE]
I would say it's the other way around. I don't think a little kid can really grasp everything that's going on in a movie like Totoro or Spirited Away. I know that when I was like, five, things like disease and death and grief weren't something I really grasped.
[QUOTE=J!NX;45584665]I only know Spirited Away
man, what a [B]CLASSIC[/B].
Absolutely should rewatch.[/QUOTE]
If you liked Spirited Away significantly more than the other 'common' ghibli films (which are amazing too), give Arrietty a try
[QUOTE=Novangel;45585333][url]http://www.thevine.com.au/entertainment/ghibli/studio-ghibli-is-not-actually-closing-20140804-284024/[/url]
Show's over, just a mistranslation that got reported in Western media.[/QUOTE]
well that's what happens when literally the only source reporting it and that people linked to is a post on a tumblr blog
Better to die now than fade into mediocrity.
They had a great run.
[QUOTE=Eric95;45585546]well that's what happens when literally the only source reporting it and that people linked to is a post on a tumblr blog[/QUOTE]
The actual source is from a tv interview. It's just that they translated it wrong.
[QUOTE=Eric95;45585546]well that's what happens when literally the only source reporting it and that people linked to is a post on a tumblr blog[/QUOTE]
kinda confirms what i thought, they [B]do[/B] a lot of fill animation for many animes, full metal alchemist was one that comes to mind, they're just restructuring and nobody really has a clue what's getting trimmed or cut
[QUOTE=FPSMango;45583010]IMO Miyazaki pretty much was Studio Ghibli. Not saying that there aren't a lot of other talented people working there but he is the reason it gain international success; When he retires I kind of think it is best Studio Ghibli die with him instead of falling into obscurity and mediocrity.[/QUOTE]
Miyazaki was only 1/3 of the Studio. The Studio struggled because of financial pressure, not because of lack of talent, creativity, or because Miyazaki retired. Imagine if Disney had closed because Walt Disney died. Like, c'mon. Ghibli is much more than Miyazaki.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;45585381]Ponyo being a kid's movie I can kinda see, just because of how light hearted and storybooky it is. But it's by far an exception to the usual tone of Ghibli's stuff, not the rule.[/QUOTE]
I think there's room for a niche of movies that fit in sort of the Harry Potter space; stories that appeal to broad ranges of people, not [B]merely[/B] kids between the ages of 5 and 9 or 10-13 or only adults. There are elements of Ghibli films that kids will enjoy, and others that will be beyond them but that adults will appreciate.
[I]Ponyo[/I] is the closest thing to absolutely a "kids' movie" that Ghibli's put out, what with its five-year-old protagonist [sp]modeled after Miyazaki's own son, Goro; the film was in part an attempt to mend their estranged relationship[/sp] and the static backgrounds mostly having a pencil-crayon style that can appeal to everyone. But at the same time, little kids won't notice the [sp]single parent[/sp] theme developing throughout, nor are they likely to notice the deliberate switch to [sp]fantasy, when the adventure begins running on kid physics, including the rescue party just letting two five-year-olds in a toy boat go into a disaster zone alone[/sp] and recognize its significance and the switch back. And I suspect most kids will miss [sp]that the explosion in sealife set off by Ponyo's spilling of Fujimoto's life elixir is all extinct species from the Devonian period, the Age of Fish[/sp].
My Neighbour Totoro can be appreciated as a lovely movie with slightly inexplicable moments here and there to the little kid, and also as a coming-of-age story, a story of a working effectively-single dad and a parent absent with [sp]tuberculosis[/sp], and of a magical forest spirit that watches over children when they get out of the reach of adults.
But I mean, you can't argue with this:
[video=youtube;tWW5goPnkcI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWW5goPnkcI[/video]
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45584992]Princess Mononoke is a pretty great childrens movie.[/QUOTE]
It is, just because it has some blood doesn't make it not childrens friendly. Children are more than capable of tolerating some violence. Especially violence that has so much comedic appeal as the one seen in Mononoke.
I made this 3 years ago, some of the choices in text isn't something I agree with anymore, but I still think the idea behind it holds grounds.
[t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3655193/PrincessMononokeIsMatureStuff.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=dgg;45588954]It is, just because it has some blood doesn't make it not childrens friendly. Children are more than capable of tolerating some violence. Especially violence that has so much comedic appeal as the one seen in Mononoke.
I made this 3 years ago, some of the choices in text isn't something I agree with anymore, but I still think the idea behind it holds grounds.
[t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3655193/PrincessMononokeIsMatureStuff.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
That picture is so cringy. Why did you post it?
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45589054]That picture is so cringy. Why did you post it?[/QUOTE]
Because the point still stands. There isn't any violence in there that isn't childrens friendly. It's comedical or non-bloody violence, a slightly more mature version of Tom and Jerry in that aspect.
The only thing that would make it children unfriendly, at least for the youngest is the pig. It's like The Groke in moomins.
[QUOTE=dgg;45588954]It is, just because it has some blood doesn't make it not childrens friendly. Children are more than capable of tolerating some violence. Especially violence that has so much comedic appeal as the one seen in Mononoke.
I made this 3 years ago, some of the choices in text isn't something I agree with anymore, but I still think the idea behind it holds grounds.
[t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3655193/PrincessMononokeIsMatureStuff.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
Feels like a picture i'd find on a montage parody with some doritos and shitty dubstep slapped on.
[QUOTE=dgg;45589217]Because the point still stands. There isn't any violence in there that isn't childrens friendly. It's comedical or non-bloody violence, a slightly more mature version of Tom and Jerry in that aspect.
The only thing that would make it children unfriendly, at least for the youngest is the pig. It's like The Groke in moomins.[/QUOTE]
I've never seen you be this wrong about something, normally your arguments are at least somewhat correct but you just called Princess Mononoke a slightly more violent Tom and Jerry.
what the fuck? have you watched Tom and Jerry it's not even close.
and are you actually saying that violence is the only thing that makes something not a kids movie, it's not a kids movie at all, you can not watch totoro and princess mononoke back to back and say they're on the same level.
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;45589392]I've never seen you be this wrong about something, normally your arguments are at least somewhat correct but you just called Princess Mononoke a slightly more violent Tom and Jerry.
what the fuck? have you watched Tom and Jerry it's not even close.
and are you actually saying that violence is the only thing that makes something not a kids movie, it's not a kids movie at all, you can not watch totoro and princess mononoke back to back and say they're on the same level.[/QUOTE]
No, I called the violence in Mononoke a slightly more mature version of Tom and Jerry. In no fucking way am I comparing Mononoke to Tom and Jerry.
Totoro and Mononoke are two different movies with two different stories, of course they're different. Totoro is for all ages, Monoke is for 7+.
If you removed the violence in Mononoke I don't see a single aspect of that movie that wouldn't make it a childrens movie.
[QUOTE=Ogris;45589297]Feels like a picture i'd find on a montage parody with some doritos and shitty dubstep slapped on.[/QUOTE]
Thank you.
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