Did Apple Just Patent Xbox Kinect? - Polidicks

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;32279061]Let's face it though, a future with Apple is the stuff you probably dream about. Sharp, sleek surfaces, concealed cables, huge, epic, artistic, well-designed buildings, sliding doors everywhere with touch pads to control everything, fast software, efficient, error and hassle free. A future like this: This is the sort of stuff I can see Apple looking at strongly as soon as it becomes viable for development. Yeah so what if the buildings cost a bit more? They'll not just be hunks of concrete blocks built with low costing in mind, but things of beauty that you'll want to visit, explore and be fascinated by time and time again. Basically, an apple future is one of technological innovation, very artistic, spending billions of dollars on a sweet futuristic building for shits + giggles and generally making things look aesthetically pleasing and uniform, so you might spend a bit extra on materials and innovation, but at least it'll look great and stand the test of time. A Microsoft future though..? Recycling the same technologies year-by-year, not really progressing anywhere, squeezing money out of people year-after-year whilst not really offering any new features or innovation (apart from a slightly better interface).[/QUOTE] So Apple's future is holding a monopoly AND stalling progress because they patent shit that they don't even care about. How is that a good thing?

[QUOTE=ewitwins;32283513]I've bluescreened, what, maybe once in this laptop's lifespan?[/QUOTE] In the last 4 years, my MacBook got more greyscreens than my stationary rig got bluescreens :colbert:

I'd feel filthy if i had anything to do with the kinect other than homebrew stuff. On the economical side, i think this is a score for Apple in some technological sense. I could see it be a part of the Apple stores to get more people to play around in them, fancy interfaces and such. I won't be a part of it though.

This sucks, and Apple are douchebags; but I guess Microsoft should have put in a patent to avoid it. The whole point of the system is so that no one can steal your ideas and make them their own.

If they patent it but not use it as an excuse to pursue lawsuits I say okay, let them have it. But they will rue the day that they abused the patent system.

[QUOTE=wabash;32279314]Funny, I can play that game on my windows but not on a mac. (as of yet)[/QUOTE] Cause Microsoft made DirectX and refused to share the technology with anyone for years. [QUOTE=Trumple;32279423]Yes and no one will be able to afford it so good luck[/QUOTE] Pretty negative, bro. Are you planning to never work or something? [QUOTE=mr apple;32279874]Are you trolling? Apple is the one squeezing money out of the consumers, adding a small new feature like a bigger UI screen and charging $500 for it. Anyone can make a "sleak, artistic meaning", it's just that Apple wanted minimalism with the ipod or whatever so they made it a brick with 1 button.[/QUOTE] People who buy Apple products buy so by choice, as a 'luxury consumer' option, you could say. iPhones are made of ceramic and glass and macBook's are made from single pieces of machined aluminium, the touchpads are glass and so are the screens. [QUOTE=Asmaedus;32280588]GODDAMN stop using the bluescreen argument, you clearly have little experience with windows 7, ie the latest version. It's very stable. I haven't had a bluescreen in 4 years, and I treat my computer like trash.[/QUOTE] My issue was pretty annoying though. Basically whenever I played a game, for months, the game would minimize and this error would come up saying nvlddmkm.dll has stopped responding. Game would reopen and close again. If I didn't ctrl-alt-delete immediately and close the program, it would do this twice before bluescreening. Google and you'll find literally hundreds of thousands of people with this issue, but no single answer as to why it happens or how to fix it, either from Microsoft or Nvidia. [QUOTE=Lizurd Man;32282453][I'm not taking any sides here, but to tell the truth, in the past five years I haven't noticed any groundbreaking achievements in their operating systems. Iphone as been the same for years, OSX has been the same since 2007, with minor feature changes at that. Yet, amazingly, you can buy one Macbook, or for the same price, you can buy two Windows machines, or two windows laptops with equal if not greater processing power and specifications. I don't quite understand how sleak aluminum can result in such a drastic offset on the price-tag.] It's not entirely fair to say that branding plays the key role in their sales. I personally believe it's consumer ignorance that allows them to be so successful. Major business and or accounting firms rely on Windows software. Schools heavily rely on Windows software. Media outlets and Hollywood heavily rely on Windows software for editing and visual effects. But what it comes down to, in my eyes, is that a teflon backed HP notebook looks 'trashy', and is made of plastic. Commoners don't like that and strive for something flashy, even if it means sacrificing several hundred dollars more. I won't make the games argument here, because it's clear that Windows has an unfair advantage of having developers use their hardware and software for the past few decades. But in the future, since Microsoft does such a good job at it, Apple probably won't stand a chance. It's one of those things you'll have to deal with. Just as you and I both know a Toyota can get 40 miles per gallon, yet people unwilling to be frugal or with the urge, perhaps even necessity to stand out, they shell out for the Chrysler. Why? Because it's bigger, flashier, and it commands respect(in some persons eyes(in my opinion)).[/QUOTE] Thanks for a good discussion, this is exactly what I wanted from people instead of 'lol u dumb'. It's true you can buy better spec'ed Windows PC's for the same price or lower, but in terms of OS, I'd say Windows is very bloated, due to it having to be able to recognize all of the hardware you're using and then adapt to that. Macs on the other hand are built to handle hardware on a much smaller scale (maybe a handful of new components every year). When you're building software with the architecture in mind, you can build a far more optimized experience. For example, the average consumer who uses a PC for emails, office tasks, web browsing, watching HD movies, could get far more performance, use and much less hassle from simply buying a mac Mini for $500, buying some apps from the app store and hooking it up to their TV than they could from buying some random cheap desktop PC for the same price, which gets bloated up with malware and spyware in a few days and slows down to the point of barely even existing. In terms of optimization, it's the same with Android, it's built to handle whatever hardware you put it on, but it's nowhere near as optimized or fast-running as you can get stuff running on the iPhone. I'd say the Android upgrade b/s was far worse than Apples. There were about 80 devices released in the space of about a year, with the first ones (HTC Dream) being absolutely fucking shit and later ones finally becoming better. For the uneducated consumer hoping for a ton of cool shit, this was a total nightmare (Also the battery on the Dream was wank). When I got my iPhone though, it was very much go-go-go from day one until 12 months down the line when a button fell off. I phoned O2 and because it was insured, they gave me a brand new one 2 days later, which I'm now about 4 months into. Alongside that, my contract has gone down to £15/month for unlimited texts, 600 calls, and I'm insured for a further 12 months, which is very reasonable. Despite this I can still play all of the UDK releases on it and they run amazingly well (they're somewhat taxing) despite the new iPhone 4 having been out for some time. Also as I said above, iPhones are made of ceramic and glass and macBook's are made from single pieces of machined aluminium, the touchpads are glass and so are the screens. It's something that, until you own one, you will never realise what you're missing out on, and I think this carries onto all Apple products. I honestly hope the prices drop in the future on some of their stuff so that more people can experience how excellent they are to handle, and how good they are to use. [QUOTE=chrishind10;32283089]Yeah......No [IMG]http://images.appleinsider.com/itunes-06-2.gif[/IMG] Apple software is not fast or efficient. Where the hell is USB mass storage on the iPhone...oh, wait.[/QUOTE] iTunes runs excellently on Mac. [QUOTE=sltungle;32283228]You're honestly trying to use this as a defence for Apple? I mean, you realise that you're applying the design of objects that take up a couple of hundreds of cubic centremetres of space (at most (as in their computers and shit) to the design of entire buildings, or, as you call it, 'the future'? Not only that, but you went as far as to use the imagery of a game not even produced by anyone at Apple to back that claim up. What you seem to want is a future that looks like something designed by people working at Eidos Montreal, not Apple. In fact, that brings up a good point itself: the stuff that people design themselves, customised specifically for them, to suit their tastes and needs is generally leagues more sexy looking (and practical) than ANYTHING Apple has ever made. I'd rather see a future in which everyone was creative and everything was visually unique instead of Apple's style of bland, black and white, over-simplified shit.[/QUOTE] Hm, that's a very good point. I love this perspective actually, a much more creative colourful world with vivid and wild variation in architecture would definitely be more interesting than a monotonous landscape of similar-though-architecturally-sound buildings. [QUOTE=Electrocuter;32284550]So Apple's future is holding a monopoly AND stalling progress because they patent shit that they don't even care about. How is that a good thing?[/QUOTE] Yeah true, good point as well. For these reason, my opinion has changed;- Live and let live, both Apple and Microsoft, and even Linux have all had to exist and compete for the technology we have now to become available to the consumer. And personally, I hate the dumb shit that happens with patent law. You could unwittingly design a car game with arrows pointing the way to the next objective, then suddenly some guy comes flying through the door with a massive trollface like [i]'LOL I SUE U'[/i] cause he's got the patent for that... (True story, bro).

Trollers gonna troll.

Uhm guys. Microsoft and Apple have an agreement that allows them to take ideas from eachother. Perfectly valid patent, although slightly confusing because i don't understand why/how you patent something that's already patented (i am sure kinect is..).

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;32284853]Cause Microsoft made DirectX and refused to share the technology with anyone for years. [/quote] I don't see where you have any point to criticize here. They invested in their technology and now they use it and gain profit. [quote] Pretty negative, bro. Are you planning to never work or something? [/quote] You might believe it or not but there are people who work and still don't have the money for bleeding edge technology. [quote] People who buy Apple products buy so by choice, as a 'luxury consumer' option, you could say. iPhones are made of ceramic and glass and macBook's are made from single pieces of machined aluminium, the touchpads are glass and so are the screens. [/quote] To be honest that is the same mindset as those people who buy golden HDMI cables. [quote] My issue was pretty annoying though. Basically whenever I played a game, for months, the game would minimize and this error would come up saying nvlddmkm.dll has stopped responding. Game would reopen and close again. If I didn't ctrl-alt-delete immediately and close the program, it would do this twice before bluescreening. Google and you'll find literally hundreds of thousands of people with this issue, but no single answer as to why it happens or how to fix it, either from Microsoft or Nvidia. [/quote] You must use a different internet than me because mine shows a page full of solutions on google. [quote] Thanks for a good discussion, this is exactly what I wanted from people instead of 'lol u dumb'. It's true you can buy better spec'ed Windows PC's for the same price or lower, but in terms of OS, I'd say Windows is very bloated, due to it having to be able to recognize all of the hardware you're using and then adapt to that. Macs on the other hand are built to handle hardware on a much smaller scale (maybe a handful of new components every year). When you're building software with the architecture in mind, you can build a far more optimized experience. [/quote] You are using an example where cheaper HARDWARE(given the same hardware performance) with software with HIGHER compability is the bad thing and more expensive HADWARE with a different software that supports LESS hardware is the good thing. What. [quote] For example, the average consumer who uses a PC for emails, office tasks, web browsing, watching HD movies, could get far more performance, use and much less hassle from simply buying a mac Mini for $500, buying some apps from the app store and hooking it up to their TV than they could from buying some random cheap desktop PC for the same price, which gets bloated up with malware and spyware in a few days and slows down to the point of barely even existing. [/quote] And then you say most people are using low performance applications anyway. And then you say the hardware is why it gets bloated with malware and spyware. That is terribly biased assumption. I recomended MSE to everyone I know and they are all very well off with it. [quote] In terms of optimization, it's the same with Android, it's built to handle whatever hardware you put it on, but it's nowhere near as optimized or fast-running as you can get stuff running on the iPhone. I'd say the Android upgrade b/s was far worse than Apples. There were about 80 devices released in the space of about a year, with the first ones (HTC Dream) being absolutely fucking shit and later ones finally becoming better. For the uneducated consumer hoping for a ton of cool shit, this was a total nightmare (Also the battery on the Dream was wank). When I got my iPhone though, it was very much go-go-go from day one until 12 months down the line when a button fell off. I phoned O2 and because it was insured, they gave me a brand new one 2 days later, which I'm now about 4 months into. Alongside that, my contract has gone down to £15/month for unlimited texts, 600 calls, and I'm insured for a further 12 months, which is very reasonable. Despite this I can still play all of the UDK releases on it and they run amazingly well (they're somewhat taxing) despite the new iPhone 4 having been out for some time. Also as I said above, iPhones are made of ceramic and glass and macBook's are made from single pieces of machined aluminium, the touchpads are glass and so are the screens. [/quote] Again you sound like "oooh it's shiny". Posting from my mobile out of the box wifi access point of my Android mobile. [quote] It's something that, until you own one, you will never realise what you're missing out on, and I think this carries onto all Apple products. I honestly hope the prices drop in the future on some of their stuff so that more people can experience how excellent they are to handle, and how good they are to use. [/quote] My friends who are studying all that media mumbo-jumbo have a term for "you didn't know you need it before you had it": Creation of demand. [quote] iTunes runs excellently on Mac. [/quote] USB mass storage [quote] Hm, that's a very good point. I love this perspective actually, a much more creative colourful world with vivid and wild variation in architecture would definitely be more interesting than a monotonous landscape of similar-though-architecturally-sound buildings. [/quote] Apple is heavily criticised for their new campus designs as it is a waste of space in the middle of a cramped town.

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;32279061]Let's face it though, a future with Apple is the stuff you probably dream about. Sharp, sleek surfaces, concealed cables, huge, epic, artistic, well-designed buildings, sliding doors everywhere with touch pads to control everything, fast software, efficient, error and hassle free. A future like this: This is the sort of stuff I can see Apple looking at strongly as soon as it becomes viable for development. Yeah so what if the buildings cost a bit more? They'll not just be hunks of concrete blocks built with low costing in mind, but things of beauty that you'll want to visit, explore and be fascinated by time and time again. Basically, an apple future is one of technological innovation, very artistic, spending billions of dollars on a sweet futuristic building for shits + giggles and generally making things look aesthetically pleasing and uniform, so you might spend a bit extra on materials and innovation, but at least it'll look great and stand the test of time. A Microsoft future though..? Recycling the same technologies year-by-year, not really progressing anywhere, squeezing money out of people year-after-year whilst not really offering any new features or innovation (apart from a slightly better interface).[/QUOTE] oh boy are you dumb, "Recycling the same technologies year-by-year, not really progressing anywhere, squeezing money out of people year-after-year whilst not really offering any new features or innovation (apart from a slightly better interface)." IS EXACTLY WHAT APPLE DOES EVERY SINGLE MICROSOFT UPDATE IS ALWAYS MUCH BETTER THAN THE LAST, AND ISN'T 'year by year'. and I like my jumbled wires and old, rugged computers, its because they work, they're not made to look all pretty and clean making you think they're good, they are good by actually BEING good. Apple runs on fear and paranoia that they'll die out, lying about making "The latest and greatest" when its been done before, years before them, then saying "they did it first" like some defective child

[QUOTE=Killuah;32285511]I don't see where you have any point to criticize here. They invested in their technology and now they use it and gain profit. [/QUOTE] Monopoly building. To be honest I suppose PCs have been the only viable option for a long time (>10 years, before macs started becoming decent). [QUOTE=Killuah;32285511]You might believe it or not but there are people who work and still don't have the money for bleeding edge technology.[/QUOTE] I'd put that down to their own financial management skills. You can make £20,000 a year and live comfortably with many luxuries and not be in debt. Alternatively you can make £70,000 a year but be flatline broke most of the time and in debt, with lots of useless things. [QUOTE=Killuah;32285511]To be honest that is the same mindset as those people who buy golden HDMI cables.[/QUOTE] Or BMW's? or Bose Speakers? or Sennheiser headphones? Or Ralph Lauren polo shirts? What's your point here? People buy commodities they can afford and want to buy/wear/drive/use, no one else can dictate that for them. [QUOTE=Killuah;32285511]You must use a different internet than me because mine shows a page full of solutions on google.[/QUOTE] A page full of different solutions, none of which fix the majority of people's problems. [QUOTE=Killuah;32285511]You are using an example where cheaper HARDWARE(given the same hardware performance) with software with HIGHER compability is the bad thing and more expensive HADWARE with a different software that supports LESS hardware is the good thing. What.[/QUOTE] No, but anything optimized and fast is better in my books for general purpose. [QUOTE=Killuah;32285511]And then you say most people are using low performance applications anyway. And then you say the hardware is why it gets bloated with malware and spyware. That is terribly biased assumption. I recomended MSE to everyone I know and they are all very well off with it.[/QUOTE] Most people don't know that downloading and installing random toolbars, games for their kids, or porn video codec's is an unsafe thing to do. All of these things aren't an issue on the mac because of the way that software is packaged. [QUOTE=Killuah;32285511]Again you sound like "oooh it's shiny". Posting from my mobile out of the box wifi access point of my Android mobile.[/QUOTE] You should probably look at the original android phones, totally dump compared to the now decent ones available today. [QUOTE=Killuah;32285511]My friends who are studying all that media mumbo-jumbo have a term for "you didn't know you need it before you had it": Creation of demand. [/QUOTE] Uh huh. But from the perspective of me, a professional PC user, who's always been anti-mac, they're a wise investment as a laptop for portability/use in bed when you wanna watch a movie, etc. [QUOTE=Killuah;32285511]USB mass storage[/QUOTE] Buy a USB pen or use some third-party software that lets you do it. [QUOTE=Killuah;32285511]Apple is heavily criticised for their new campus designs as it is a waste of space in the middle of a cramped town.[/QUOTE] They bought the land, they can do what they like with it, in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;32283378]Apples future looks more like this: [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/MacOSX_kernel_panic.png[/img][/QUOTE] Does the Apple "Bluescreen" even show what caused the problem, so you might have a idea why it happens?

[QUOTE=J!NX;32285574]oh boy are you dumb, "Recycling the same technologies year-by-year, not really progressing anywhere, squeezing money out of people year-after-year whilst not really offering any new features or innovation (apart from a slightly better interface)." IS EXACTLY WHAT APPLE DOES EVERY SINGLE MICROSOFT UPDATE IS ALWAYS MUCH BETTER THAN THE LAST, AND ISN'T 'year by year'. and I like my jumbled wires and old, rugged computers, its because they work, they're not made to look all pretty and clean making you think they're good, they are good by actually BEING good. Apple runs on fear and paranoia that they'll die out, lying about making "The latest and greatest" when its been done before, years before them, then saying "they did it first" like some defective child[/QUOTE] I can name a few Apple innovations. 1. MP3 Shuffling. 2. GUI. 3. The 'desktop'. 4. Introducing the digital world to fonts and typography. [editline]14th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=nask;32285955]Does the Apple "Bluescreen" even show what caused the problem, so you might have a idea why it happens?[/QUOTE] Not really. It usually repairs whatever problem caused it.

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;32285997]I can name a few Apple innovations. 1. MP3 Shuffling. 2. GUI. 3. The 'desktop'. 4. Introducing the digital world to fonts and typography. [editline]14th September 2011[/editline] Not really. It usually repairs whatever problem caused it.[/QUOTE] ok, they have a few cool 'ideas', like everyone else has, that doesn't change the fact that people are making things years before them, then they're claiming to be the first ones to do it, and it doesn't change the fact that they're patenting present day things. I love how you also ignore the rest of my post.

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;32285997]I can name a few Apple innovations. 1. MP3 Shuffling.[/QUOTE] Like hell they did.

[QUOTE=slamex;32277796]And this my children, is why, no matter how popular or mainstream apple macs became and how cool they were, and how much people assumed they would become number one, the microsoft windows shall stand the test of time. Dumb me all you want, it will not stop the inevitability![/QUOTE] Sorry dude, but you're wrong. Microsoft is on the way out, but it's not Apple that's taking their place. Google will soon be the new king of home computing. Windows is becoming an increasingly convoluted system, bogged down with sloppy coding, extraneous bullshit, and riddled with bugs. The Microsoft Office Suite suffers the same problems (Hell, EVERY Microsoft product suffers these problems). Their products are slow, suffer from terrible security, are rarely updated (and when they are, the updates always come at the cost of a few dozen NEW issues), and [i]massively overpriced[/i]. Microsoft is already on the verge of losing its American educational contracts because most districts are fed up with their products, pricing, and rotten customer support. It's funny really, because this is the same thing that happened to Apple when Microsoft initially toppled their computer empire. Google came out of left field with brilliant, efficient, open-source, cloud-based computing technology, and though we've only seen small glimpses of everything their ChromeOS is truly capable of, businesses and school districts across the country are taking them in like tall glasses of water on a hot day. Once Microsoft loses its educational contracts, it'll be the official tipping point for their company, and we'll see a quick and dramatic shift of power in the computing world.

I love how it's gizmodo that reports them. They are such zealots.

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;32279061][img]http://egamer.co.za/wp-content/gallery/deus-ex-human-revolution-concept-art/lower_tai_yong_stairs_rsfrwb.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] fuck they're going to patent deus ex

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;32287218]Sorry dude, but you're wrong. Microsoft is on the way out, but it's not Apple that's taking their place. Google will soon be the new king of home computing. Windows is becoming an increasingly convoluted system, bogged down with sloppy coding, extraneous bullshit, and riddled with bugs. The Microsoft Office Suite suffers the same problems (Hell, EVERY Microsoft product suffers these problems). Their products are slow, suffer from terrible security, are rarely updated (and when they are, the updates always come at the cost of a few dozen NEW issues), and [i]massively overpriced[/i]. Microsoft is already on the verge of losing its American educational contracts because most districts are fed up with their products, pricing, and rotten customer support. It's funny really, because this is the same thing that happened to Apple when Microsoft initially toppled their computer empire. Google came out of left field with brilliant, efficient, open-source, cloud-based computing technology, and though we've only seen small glimpses of everything their ChromeOS is truly capable of, businesses and school districts across the country are taking them in like tall glasses of water on a hot day. Once Microsoft loses its educational contracts, it'll be the official tipping point for their company, and we'll see a quick and dramatic shift of power in the computing world.[/QUOTE] My school still uses fucking IE, XP, and office 2003.

guys i think you are all forgetting the apple has invented most things we have today, for example: touchscreens phones with touchscreens mp3 players mp3s the mouse running multiple apps on phones at the same time apps in general steve jobs tablet computers so if they are patenting kinect, they most likely are the ones who invented it. they were just kind enough to first give the design details to microsoft, because they always think of the people first, not the profits [editline]14th September 2011[/editline] to be honest most of you cheap unstylish simpletons don't even deserve to be graced by apple's superior technology, but apple will let you anyway because of how kind they are.

[QUOTE=Agent Cobra;32287353]fuck they're going to patent deus ex[/QUOTE] I never asked for this. Apple should just stop. This is getting bad, I mean REALLY bad. What are they going to patent next? Air?

[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;32287438]guys i think you are all forgetting the apple has invented most things we have today, for example: touchscreens phones with touchscreens mp3 players mp3s the mouse running multiple apps on phones at the same time apps in general steve jobs tablet computers so if they are patenting kinect, they most likely are the ones who invented it. they were just kind enough to first give the design details to microsoft, because they always think of the people first, not the profits [editline]14th September 2011[/editline] to be honest most of you cheap unstylish simpletons don't even deserve to be graced by apple's superior technology, but apple will let you anyway because of how kind they are.[/QUOTE] They even invented music, the colour white and the button.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;32287218]Sorry dude, but you're wrong. Microsoft is on the way out, but it's not Apple that's taking their place. Google will soon be the new king of home computing. Windows is becoming an increasingly convoluted system, bogged down with sloppy coding, extraneous bullshit, and riddled with bugs. The Microsoft Office Suite suffers the same problems (Hell, EVERY Microsoft product suffers these problems). Their products are slow, suffer from terrible security, are rarely updated (and when they are, the updates always come at the cost of a few dozen NEW issues), and [i]massively overpriced[/i]. Microsoft is already on the verge of losing its American educational contracts because most districts are fed up with their products, pricing, and rotten customer support. It's funny really, because this is the same thing that happened to Apple when Microsoft initially toppled their computer empire. Google came out of left field with brilliant, efficient, open-source, cloud-based computing technology, and though we've only seen small glimpses of everything their ChromeOS is truly capable of, businesses and school districts across the country are taking them in like tall glasses of water on a hot day. Once Microsoft loses its educational contracts, it'll be the official tipping point for their company, and we'll see a quick and dramatic shift of power in the computing world.[/QUOTE] No doubt, good points, but losing its educational contracts, especially saying that exclusively losing them for the US is bullshit, they aren't going to trip there, and Google sure is in no position to take over home computing. Other than that, i agree.

[QUOTE=nask;32285955]Does the Apple "Bluescreen" even show what caused the problem, so you might have a idea why it happens?[/QUOTE] Nope. If it happens once then you just have to accept the loss of all unsaved data, if it happens regularly, be prepared to cash out for repairs. [editline]14th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SCopE5000;32285997] Not really. It usually repairs whatever problem caused it.[/QUOTE] lol [editline]14th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Wam;32287645]They even invented music, the colour white and the button.[/QUOTE] Also apples, poor quality plastic and denty aluminum.

Apple make their laptop cases out of layered tinfoil, true story.

[QUOTE=MightyMax;32279372]I'm sorry but in the 3 years i've had my current computer with Windows 7, i've never had a single BSOD. Even on my laptop before i put Linux on it, I never had a BSOD out of vista, which is an accomplishment.[/QUOTE] In the few weeks I've had my new laptop I've got three. Probably serves me right for chewing my headphones cable, though.

[url=http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1121776]Apple Cries About Samsung and Motorola's Patent "Monopoly"[/url] And then they do this. Ugh, at this rate, Apple is going to patent everything futuristic and we'll be stuck with the same technology and shitty iPods all because of Apple.

Apple's Innovation: Tablet computers, MP3 players and Touchscreen Phones. Google's Innovation: Cars that drive themselves, worlds biggest and most used search engine. Yep, Apple are leading innovation!

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;32279061]Recycling the same technologies year-by-year, not really progressing anywhere, squeezing money out of people year-after-year whilst not really offering any new features or innovation (apart from a slightly better interface).[/QUOTE] I had my last PC since 2004. I only just upgraded. It ran on XP. It never blue screened once. Microsoft aren't the ones squeezing money out of people with Windows PCs. Microsoft don't actually make or sell the PCs. Just the operating system. [editline]14th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=FlamingSpaz;32291446]Apple's Innovation: Tablet computers, MP3 players and Touchscreen Phones. Google's Innovation: Cars that drive themselves, worlds biggest and most used search engine. Yep, Apple are leading innovation![/QUOTE] It only takes a little bit of googling to figure out that Apple didn't innovate any of those things. Microsoft had a concept for a tablet PC since 2001 and between then and the release of the iPad there were many, many others. There were tonnes and tonnes of MP3 players before the iPod but anyone should know that. Touch screen phones had been around for freaking ages, the first being in 1994. Apple just has this weird pixie dust that makes everyone think they're the first company to do anything, ever.

[QUOTE=FlamingSpaz;32291446]Apple's Innovation: Tablet computers, MP3 players and Touchscreen Phones. Google's Innovation: Cars that drive themselves, worlds biggest and most used search engine. Yep, Apple are leading innovation![/QUOTE] Especially when you consider that Apple never really invent any of those things, they just packed them in a shell of cheap-o plastic.