'Sonic weapon' deployed in London during Olympics - Polidicks

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0MwvOJEBOM[/media] the horror

[QUOTE=The golden;35918805]Flashbangs are an incapacitate. They are made to pacify people by disorienting them. Using flashbangs in a large-group situation would be completely useless. You want them to disperse and break up, not go completely blind and deaf for several seconds.[/quote] How is this different? Why does a crowd control weapon have a different standard of humanity than a weapon designed to incapacitate? [quote]You want an effective crowd-control device? Water cannons. You don't move, you get knocked on to your ass. You are left with drenched clothing so you become cold and miserable. They can also put out fires.[/QUOTE] No really humane since any force able to knock somebody down could cause serious skin damage(water is really "sharp" with enough force). Not to mention that knocking someone on their ass can injure them, especially if they get knocked into something or someone. Also, the weapon couldn't be used if the temperature goes below freezing, since now all those people are at risk of getting hypothermia.

[QUOTE=TestECull;35918366]Good god London. What next, inventing, building and deploying your own Gundam? Maybe plonking one of our supercarriers in the Channel?[/QUOTE] I believe they're putting the Illustrious on stand-by with a squadron of Apache Helicopters on board. So yeah basically :v:

Also, that water cannon idea could possibly be a PR nightmare, at least in the US, because of the history of civil rights protesters being sprayed with hoses.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35918854]How is this different? Why does a crowd control weapon have a different standard of humanity than a weapon designed to incapacitate? No really humane since any force able to knock somebody down could cause serious skin damage(water is really "sharp" with enough force). Not to mention that knocking someone on their ass can injure them, especially if they get knocked into something or someone. Also, the weapon couldn't be used if the temperature goes below freezing, since now all those people are at risk of getting hypothermia.[/QUOTE] If people are rioting and threatening civilians/bystanders/riot control cops then by all means knock them on their ass with some sharp water. Just dont be excessive. And the LRAD could surely be made to oscilate in operation to greatly migitate the chance of permanent hearing damage. [editline]11th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;35918905]Also, that water cannon idea could possibly be a PR nightmare, at least in the US, because of the history of civil rights protesters being sprayed with hoses.[/QUOTE] By the way since you seem to be a self appointed ethics committee what do you suggest be used to stop possible threats/violent riots?

[QUOTE=Dysgalt;35918929]If people are rioting and threatening civilians/bystanders/riot control cops then by all means knock them on their ass with some sharp water. Just dont be excessive. And the LRAD could surely be made to oscilate in operation to greatly migitate the chance of permanent hearing damage.[/QUOTE] Golden is saying that the LRAD is inhumane because it causes permanent hearing damage, I'm saying water cannons can also cause permanent damage. They aren't really that much more humane. [editline]11th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=The golden;35918940]If you have a large-crowd situation, you want people to move and disperse. People cannot leave the area if they are blind and deaf. They can leave the area if they are cold, wet, and have a sore ass. Even tear gas gives a time frame for people to leave the area. Although it is significantly less safe.[/quote] The LRAD probably won't disorient the person when properly used. People respond instantly to any pain inflicted upon them. So tell me, what's the difference between using an LRAD and flashbang in terms on its potential damage to the person. You aren't understanding me, I don't care that flashbangs aren't used in crowd control, I'm assuming you are calling the LRAD inhumane. [quote]Water cannons are typically regarded as much being much safer than things such as tear gas, flashbangs, etc. I cannot find any amount of information saying they are more dangerous than the aforementioned methods. They have controllable water flow, so you can adjust it accordingly.[/QUOTE] Yea, you can adjust it, but for it to be effective it needs to be dangerous.

[QUOTE=Dysgalt;35918929]If people are rioting and threatening civilians/bystanders/riot control cops then by all means knock them on their ass with some sharp water. Just dont be excessive. And the LRAD could surely be made to oscilate in operation to greatly migitate the chance of permanent hearing damage. [editline]11th May 2012[/editline] By the way since you seem to be a self appointed ethics committee what do you suggest be used to stop possible threats/violent riots?[/QUOTE] LRAD volume is variable. It can be anything from a normal megaphone to quite literally deafening. Any respectable person would start it out on a low volume and work your way up if people refuse to move. That's how it's designed to be used. It's not designed to hurt intentionally. Again, it's loudest in the direct beam. If you don't wanna get hurt, move 3 feet and you'll be out of the beam. It will still be loud as seen in the video but it's significantly louder in the direct path. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myWxwNQfo-8[/media] I'd rather get shot by this than hoses or teargas any day.

[QUOTE=OvB;35917964]It's just an LRAD. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSMyY3_dmrM[/media] Good for crowd control.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/68548848/d21aaca342af8f425ee45b31e939f720.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=The golden;35918970]There is difference between getting bumped onto your ass and getting soaked and having your hearing disintegrate - potentially with the person feeling the pain way too late. People have different tolerances to pain.[/QUOTE] Your hearing doesn't "disintegrate", you are being too sensationalist about this. Permanent hearing damage is not the same as total deafness. If you've ever stood next to someone shooting a rifle, or been exposed to a flashbang, you have survived amplitudes more harmful than a LRAD. Flashbangs are way louder than a LRAD would be used, and people still have their hearing intact after being exposed. Hearing damage is something that compounds, your first time hearing a sound at 130 dB won't make you deaf, but if you continually hear loud sounds over the period of months or years then you may suffer hearing loss or tinnitus.

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[QUOTE=OvB;35918971]LRAD volume is variable. It can be anything from a normal megaphone to quite literally deafening. Any respectable person would start it out on a low volume and work your way up if people refuse to move. That's how it's designed to be used. It's not designed to hurt intentionally. Again, it's loudest in the direct beam. If you don't wanna get hurt, move 3 feet and you'll be out of the beam. It will still be loud as seen in the video but it's significantly louder in the direct path. -video snip- I'd rather get shot by this than hoses or teargas any day.[/QUOTE] Yes, this is what I was getting at, they don't immediately go "Fuck yeah lets make those dumb rioters deaf!" The device can be tuned to a perfectly save level and used in humane manners to explicitly avoid hearing damage.

or you could just wear some specialist earplugs that block out a wide range of frequencies and cause next to no hearing damage even in the loudest conditions im sure rioters would have something for this

[QUOTE=Bobie;35919158]or you could just wear some specialist earplugs that block out a wide range of frequencies and cause next to no hearing damage even in the loudest conditions im sure rioters would have something for this[/QUOTE] "Specialist earplugs"? You mean "earplugs"? :v:

[QUOTE=Bobie;35919158]or you could just wear some specialist earplugs that block out a wide range of frequencies and cause next to no hearing damage even in the loudest conditions im sure rioters would have something for this[/QUOTE] You can certainly make it bearable with earplugs. I'm curious if that Captain America guy could've actually deflected the beam with his shield. In the video it shows that the beam can be reflected, so technically he could reflect it back at the police.

So, when can we start frying people from a long range?

[QUOTE=The golden;35919202]A concave surface made out of acoustically reflective material could problem beam it back at police pretty easily.[/QUOTE] It being concave won't focus the sound. It just makes it bounce around and can amplify it. It will probably scatter no matter what, which will lower the effectiveness at reflecting it at police. However, it will still protect your ears from being obliterated.

[QUOTE=Dominicus;35919232]So, when can we start frying people from a long range?[/QUOTE] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon"]Now.[/url]

[QUOTE=Dominicus;35919232]So, when can we start frying people from a long range?[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System[/url]

[QUOTE=Dominicus;35919232]So, when can we start frying people from a long range?[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmuyLIrSjxI[/media] Soon.

That panel looks like you could shoot it with a pellet gun and it would break.

British government confirmed for Slaaneshi cultists

The name would just be so much better if they just swapped the A and R.

[QUOTE=The golden;35918970]There is difference between getting bumped onto your ass and getting soaked and having your hearing disintegrate - potentially with the person [b]feeling the pain way too late. People have different tolerances to pain.[/b] Like I said - I cannot find significant information that says water cannons are more dangerous than existing methods. They have been used countless times from Europe to Asia and are extremely effective. They can also put out fires which further reduces chance of injury.[/QUOTE] I don't know about you but I don't know anyone in the whole world who has hearing lag. If someone shoots an LRAD at you you will either hear it because it is being shot at you or you won't hear it because you're already deaf for unrelated reasons.

[QUOTE=The golden;35917982]Is this the Olypmics or is it a military hardware showcase? I'm starting to think it's the latter.[/QUOTE] They could be inappropriately using the Olympics as exactly that so they can be the only country surrounded by the eurozone that isn't financially in shit. [/conspiracy_bs] Vancouver continues to laugh at you.

[QUOTE=HeavyGuy;35918035]Well last time the Martians caught us off guard and killed loads of people with their heat rays so if they try again we'll have them.[/QUOTE] Horsell Common, Never forget. [editline]12th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=The golden;35919202]A concave surface made out of acoustically reflective material could problem beam it back at police pretty easily.[/QUOTE] What? Somehow I don't think sound works like that.

sonic weapons scare me [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npMQKKUY4Pg[/media]

It really seems like they received a tip of a possible terrorist attack on the Olympics so this is why they're publicly showcases all the defenses to try and deter anyone.

This isn't new. LRADs were used to great effect in Pittsburgh during the G8 there, and will probably be used in Chicago for NATO.

[QUOTE=Coffee;35918403]If you have people rioting, it's unjustified to cause permanent ear damage to them in order to break them up. It's lazy, unethical and dangerous.[/QUOTE] Well, it CAN cause permanent hearing damage if used at full power at closer range. I see no reason that they would actually be doing that though.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;35922896]This isn't new. LRADs were used to great effect in Pittsburgh during the G8 there, and will probably be used in Chicago for NATO.[/QUOTE] The more we know, the less to panic about.