Last-minute bid to save a healthy giraffe that Copenhagen Zoo plans to put down on Sunday - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Blackwheel;43931580]The children went to protest the killing of the giraffe, most likely lead there by their parents who told them of the injustice they were going to go fight. The kids had in their minds projected human feelings and conciousness upon the animal (regardless of how aware or conscious you think he/she is), and then in the same day, watched the giraffe they wanted to save being cutup into layers... so they could learn about the subdermal parts of the animal... because .. ..why? This is information they needed to be shown as little kids so when they are older and they all become vetrenarians, they know how to perform surgery on said animals?? Do I really have to point out that there is something wrong about, not only the events themselves, but the sequence of these events?[/QUOTE] Do you mourn for the cow that died to provide you with the steak you may be eating? Do you continue eating meat even after seeing slaughterhouse conditions?

Well, werent these some retarded emotions.

[QUOTE=Squad1993;43854689]Yeah lets shoot the thing in the head and then cut him up and feed him to lions in front of onlookers and children. Thats fucked. Couldnt neuter him? Give him a fucking vasectomy. Its really concerning they went with euthanasia instead of sending him somewhere else.[/QUOTE] Get over yourself, it's a fucking giraffe. Why do we give cute animals special treatment? Sometimes it's simply practical to kill off an animal, and that's what they did - I eat pieces of murdered animals every day, and I guarantee you that they probably had an equally short or shorter life - and probably a less pleasant one - than this giraffe. And do you think the evil director of the zoo simply decided that they hadn't had enough cruel giraffe killings this year? And what's wrong with showing this to kids anyway?

[QUOTE=deadoon;43931764]Do you mourn for the cow that died to provide you with the steak you may be eating? Do you continue eating meat even after seeing slaughterhouse conditions?[/QUOTE] i dont get what this post has to do with what he said [editline]16th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=GoDong-DK;43934375] And what's wrong with showing this to kids anyway?[/QUOTE] a nice dose of cold hard reality is just the perfect thing for children going to the zoo

[QUOTE=Squad1993;43854689][B]Yeah lets shoot the thing in the head and then cut him up and feed him to lions in front of onlookers and children. Thats fucked.[/B] Couldnt neuter him? Give him a fucking vasectomy. Its really concerning they went with euthanasia instead of sending him somewhere else.[/QUOTE] Nope, it's highly educational :eng101: kids can deal with more than you think, and learning early on that real live animals are nothing like the Disney variety can only be good for you.

[QUOTE=demoguy08;43934430]Nope, it's highly educational :eng101: kids can deal with more than you think, and learning early on that real live animals are nothing like the Disney variety can only be good for you.[/QUOTE] There's a difference between Reality and Stupidity though. This was fucking stupid. "Oh we want our population to stay healthy!" is bullshit because they could have just sold the thing off to another Zoo. Instead they killed it and feed it to the Lions, which does sound fucked but I can kinda understand. But holy fuck still. You want to teach children a lesson about life and death? Show them a sickly animal that needs to be culled, not a two year old healthy animal.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;43934574]There's a difference between Reality and Stupidity though. This was fucking stupid. "Oh we want our population to stay healthy!" is bullshit because they could have just sold the thing off to another Zoo. Instead they killed it and feed it to the Lions, which does sound fucked but I can kinda understand. But holy fuck still. You want to teach children a lesson about life and death? Show them a sickly animal that needs to be culled, not a two year old healthy animal.[/QUOTE] It's not like they handcuffed the children at the entrance and forced them to watch while the zookeepers tore the animal apart. People were invited to watch an autopsy of an animal, some parents brought their kids. Nobody have been traumatized. And I really don't fucking get the outcry over killing it. Has there been any outrage over countless cows that have no doubt been offed for the sole reason of feeding the animals in a zoo?

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;43934574]There's a difference between Reality and Stupidity though. This was fucking stupid. "Oh we want our population to stay healthy!" is bullshit because they could have just sold the thing off to another Zoo. Instead they killed it and feed it to the Lions, which does sound fucked but I can kinda understand. But holy fuck still. You want to teach children a lesson about life and death? Show them a sickly animal that needs to be culled, not a two year old healthy animal.[/QUOTE] The thing was inbred, so the responsible thing to do was remove it from the gene pool. The giraffe pen in the zoo was also crowded, so they couldnt just neuter it and keep it. Just let the fucking issue go already, its actually not important.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;43934574]There's a difference between Reality and Stupidity though. This was fucking stupid. "Oh we want our population to stay healthy!" is bullshit because they could have just sold the thing off to another Zoo. Instead they killed it and feed it to the Lions, which does sound fucked but I can kinda understand. But holy fuck still. You want to teach children a lesson about life and death? Show them a sickly animal that needs to be culled, not a two year old healthy animal.[/QUOTE] If anything that teaches them another lesson in life: Life doesn't favor the lively.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43935467]If anything that teaches them another lesson in life: Life doesn't favor the lively.[/QUOTE] What does this mean exactly? Maybe I'm misunderstanding it, but it doesn't seem like it would've positive connotations.

[QUOTE=Doomish;43934411]i dont get what this post has to do with what he said [editline]16th February 2014[/editline] a nice dose of cold hard reality is just the perfect thing for children going to the zoo[/QUOTE] It is actually extremely relevant, the kids see what it is like for an animal to be cut apart to be turned into food for something else. No different in goal than a slaughterhouse for cows. If this is so distasteful and wrong, why do we still eat meat? After all, we do the same thing to the things we eat.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;43935697]What does this mean exactly? Maybe I'm misunderstanding it, but it doesn't seem like it would've positive connotations.[/QUOTE] Essentially life is incrediably fragile, and has the ability to change on a dime. You could be the most lively and healthy person, and then you could get hit by a truck. Life isn't always favorable of those which have life or are ill and fragile. You take life as it comes, and sometimes, life is a bitch.

Giraffes have an 80% chance of dying during castration for all those people wondering he couldn't neutered. This was a well thought out decision made by the zoo and I have the up most respect for them, granted, this was PR nightmare. And for the people getting all butt hurt about the children witnessing the autopsy, no one was forced to witness it, it's the parents decision to let their children watch it. I personally would have loved to have seen this as youngster!

I can't deal with how fucking stupid some of you are. Stop looking at this as an adult, and think back to when you were a kid. Picture going to a zoo with your mom and dad because you've been told that we are going to try to save a giraffe. Later that day, you watch them slicing into the animal. Guilt, sadness, feelings of failure and responsibility would arise easily in a young child in my opinion and any "educational" value (and I'd argue there is no value to them because it is irrelevant to them at this stage of growing up or at least not appropriate) would not be seen by the children due to these emotions.

[QUOTE=Blackwheel;43937597]I can't deal with how fucking stupid some of you are. Stop looking at this as an adult, and think back to when you were a kid. Picture going to a zoo with your mom and dad because you've been told that we are going to try to save a giraffe. Later that day, you watch them slicing into the animal. Guilt, sadness, feelings of failure and responsibility would arise easily in a young child in my opinion and any "educational" value (and I'd argue there is no value to them because it is irrelevant to them at this stage of growing up or at least not appropriate) would not be seen by the children due to these emotions.[/QUOTE] What you're doing here is inventing a traumatised child in the hope of making people think "oh god no, the innocent kids!" It's not working.

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;43937638]What you're doing here is inventing a traumatised child in the hope of making people think "oh god no, the innocent kids!" It's not working.[/QUOTE] It's basic psychology, like you could glean this susceptibility from spending 10 minutes with a child.

[QUOTE=Blackwheel;43937597]I can't deal with how fucking stupid some of you are. Stop looking at this as an adult, and think back to when you were a kid. Picture going to a zoo with your mom and dad because you've been told that we are going to try to save a giraffe. Later that day, you watch them slicing into the animal. Guilt, sadness, feelings of failure and responsibility would arise easily in a young child in my opinion and any "educational" value (and I'd argue there is no value to them because it is irrelevant to them at this stage of growing up or at least not appropriate) would not be seen by the children due to these emotions.[/QUOTE] I knew about the conditions of slaughterhouses when I was 8, it never phased me. Heck my cat brought in ripped apart dead birds on occasion, I found it always thought it to be normal. Blood and gore, never really phased me unless it were another person and was extremely excessive. [QUOTE=Blackwheel;43937685]It's basic psychology, like you could glean this susceptibility from spending 10 minutes with a child.[/QUOTE] Wait it is normal to be traumatized by a clean cut and such, when they show that kind of stuff and worse on tv?

[QUOTE=Blackwheel;43937685]It's basic psychology, like you could glean this susceptibility from spending 10 minutes with a child.[/QUOTE] There's psychology and there's this: [QUOTE=Blackwheel;43937597]I can't deal with how fucking stupid some of you are. Stop looking at this as an adult, and think back to when you were a kid. [B]Picture going to a zoo with your mom and dad because you've been told that we are going to try to save a giraffe. Later that day, you watch them slicing into the animal. Guilt, sadness, feelings of failure and responsibility would arise easily in a young child[/B] in my opinion and any "educational" value (and I'd argue there is no value to them because it is irrelevant to them at this stage of growing up or at least not appropriate) would not be seen by the children due to these emotions.[/QUOTE] You're inventing the fact that it's a happy day out for all the family, the parent telling the kids; "we're going to save a giraffe! Let's go, Timmy!", them lining up in front of the pen only to see the animal get brutally murdered before everyone. It was made very clear that the animal was going to be slaughtered and dissected in front of the crowd; that's what parents brought their child to see (at least, that's what responsible parents brought their child to see), not to rescue it like in a goddamn disney film.

[QUOTE=deadoon;43937720]I knew about the conditions of slaughterhouses when I was 8, it never phased me. Heck my cat brought in ripped apart dead birds on occasion, I found it always thought it to be normal. Blood and gore, never really phased me unless it were another person and was extremely excessive.[/QUOTE] It's not so much the blood and gore in this case, but more the sequence of events. [QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;43937740]There's psychology and there's this: You're inventing the fact that it's a happy day out for all the family, the parent telling the kids; "we're going to save a giraffe! Let's go, Timmy!", them lining up in front of the pen only to see the animal get brutally murdered before everyone. It was made very clear that the animal was going to be slaughtered and dissected in front of the crowd; that's what parents brought their child to see (at least, that's what responsible parents brought their child to see), not to rescue it like in a goddamn disney film.[/QUOTE] From my understanding having read the article, many of them went that day to try and protest what was happening. Also, it is irrelevant if the family was happy or sad when going to the zoo to protest. I never said it was a "happy day".

[QUOTE=Blackwheel;43937741]It's not so much the blood and gore in this case, but more the sequence of events. From my understanding having read the article, many of them went that day to try and protest what was happening. Also, it is irrelevant if the family was happy or sad when going to the zoo to protest. I never said it was a "happy day".[/QUOTE] The child is going to take the event itself at face value. They are seeing a giraffe being cut open cleanly and seeing what it looks like. You are making it out to be much more emotionally charged than they will be taking it. You are literally making it out that an educational display is traumatizing, when the kids will merely be watching without an understanding of what is going on and just doing that, learning with their own eyes. Frankly, you know what I see in this image; [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/n0bkkxH.jpg[/IMG] A group of kids looking on in utter fascination with only a single one turning away, but still a fascinated and continuing to watch.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43936225]Essentially life is incrediably fragile, and has the ability to change on a dime. You could be the most lively and healthy person, and then you could get hit by a truck. Life isn't always favorable of those which have life or are ill and fragile. You take life as it comes, and sometimes, life is a bitch.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't really say that this is a display of that. I mean, no one decides to suddenly euthanize you and feed you to the lions.

[QUOTE=Blackwheel;43937597]I can't deal with how fucking stupid some of you are. Stop looking at this as an adult, and think back to when you were a kid. Picture going to a zoo with your mom and dad because you've been told that we are going to try to save a giraffe. Later that day, you watch them slicing into the animal. Guilt, sadness, feelings of failure and responsibility would arise easily in a young child in my opinion and any "educational" value (and I'd argue there is no value to them because it is irrelevant to them at this stage of growing up or at least not appropriate) would not be seen by the children due to these emotions.[/QUOTE] But the point you're getting across is that the parents should take responsibility and remove their child from the situation. You can't blame the zoo for this, the zoo is an establishment of education, not horror and despair.

[QUOTE=deadoon;43937896]The child is going to take the event itself at face value. They are seeing a giraffe being cut open cleanly and seeing what it looks like. You are making it out to be much more emotionally charged than they will be taking it. You are literally making it out that an educational display is traumatizing, when the kids will merely be watching without an understanding of what is going on and just doing that, learning with their own eyes. Frankly, you know what I see in this image; jpg A group of kids looking on in utter fascination with only a single one turning away, but still a fascinated and continuing to watch.[/QUOTE] Ya they all look so fascinated. Sorry, a child isn't fascinated about what the inside of a giraffe looks like, there are certain parts of the brain that need to develop for kids to understand things like object permanence and other seemingly trivial things that we comprehend and take for granted as adults. And what does "cut open cleanly" have to do with anything? This is a case of idiotic adults, unfit for child supervision (Edit: or at least they had a lapse of reasoning), who are projecting their own sensibilities onto children. When I was a child, I stood close by a woman who cut off the head of a live rooster with a big blade, and I saw blood pouring through her fingers. I'm not haunted by it, but I remember it and it wasn't necessary for me to see that. [QUOTE=ratman;43938741]But the point you're getting across is that the parents should take responsibility and remove their child from the situation. You can't blame the zoo for this, the zoo is an establishment of education, not horror and despair.[/QUOTE] Both are to blame.

[video=youtube;ENnNNVOEDZ4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENnNNVOEDZ4[/video] This guy explains the situation pretty well

[QUOTE=Blackwheel;43937597]I can't deal with how fucking stupid some of you are. Stop looking at this as an adult, and think back to when you were a kid. Picture going to a zoo with your mom and dad because you've been told that we are going to try to save a giraffe. Later that day, you watch them slicing into the animal. Guilt, sadness, feelings of failure and responsibility would arise easily in a young child in my opinion and any "educational" value (and I'd argue there is no value to them because it is irrelevant to them at this stage of growing up or at least not appropriate) would not be seen by the children due to these emotions.[/QUOTE] I don't fucking get how this is different the any farm kid watching a cow/pig get butchered.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;43940986]I don't fucking get how this is different the any farm kid watching a cow/pig get butchered.[/QUOTE] Domesticated vs "wild" maybe? I.e the West gets mad when the Japanese whales, but they consider it to be normal. Just like we don't blink an eye to chickens, cows or pigs being slaughtered. South Park had a great episode on this. I just feel like the zoo didn't do enough to give the giraffe a life, and maybe how they made it a public spectacle. I just wouldn't be able to watch that. EDIT: I thought of something. In highschool, I dissected cats in anatomy, and it made me very fucking uncomfortable, but not 2 years earlier we dissected frogs/ pigs hearts and I wasn't at all phased. I feel like its animals that humans have a distinct association with, some of us get really upset to see them put down instead of given a life.

[QUOTE=beanhead;43940880][video=youtube;ENnNNVOEDZ4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENnNNVOEDZ4[/video] This guy explains the situation pretty well[/QUOTE] Damn, that interviewer was dumb.

But its stupid in this case. If you don't want your kids to watch it get butchered don't make them go watch it get butchered. Getting mad at this is like not knowing your burger used to be a cow (possibly cat if you go to a shady burger place.)

[QUOTE=Squad1993;43941061]Domesticated vs "wild" maybe? I.e the West gets mad when the Japanese whales, but they consider it to be normal. Just like we don't blink an eye to chickens, cows or pigs being slaughtered. South Park had a great episode on this. I just feel like the zoo didn't do enough to give the giraffe a life, and maybe how they made it a public spectacle. I just wouldn't be able to watch that.[/QUOTE] The zoo had no options- released in the wild it would die. In another zoo it would ruin the gene pool, suffer due to bad conditions, or take up space for another genetically viable animal. The public spectacle part was a way to get people more educated on the anatomy of giraffes- it's truly a rare opportunity to be able to do something like that, I wish I could have seen it firsthand.

[QUOTE=katbug;43941111]Damn, that interviewer was dumb.[/QUOTE] He appears to have gone to the Piers Morgan school of debate.