[QUOTE=cccritical;39034509]"how dare she try to raise her child with manners and respect? bitch mom lol" -everyone in this thread[/QUOTE]
She's reminding me of a dictator.
And in the end, a dictator will be shafted by the oppressed people.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;39031551]And these things are crucial to learning and development..
If you raised a 'perfect child' who never did bad stuff, got in trouble or a tight spot, what would the kid really know for themselves apart from what you told them?
You'd just have a zombie kid with 0 personality.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say "with militantly fascist restrictions", I said "with NO restrictions". As in lack of them. Complete lack of them.
It's kinda stupid how he can't take it to school, because when I think of it, if something goes wrong and you need to tell your mother or there is slight change of plans to say how you're getting home, you'd text or call her to make sure she know's
but while restricting the child of this ability, if anything like that happens, she won't know unless someone else notifies her
I can understand not breaking the phone by dropping (cases, also the iPhone 5 is very strong) or getting it stolen (find my iPhone works wonders) but it's stupid
Also restrictive bed times? This is a 13 year old, if you're encouraging him to listen to music, how is he going to do that when he has to hand the fucking phone in, I always listen to music before I go to bed it helps a lot.
Anyway half if not all these rules will be broken or they'll forget
at least she didn't copy the terms and conditions
How the fuck is this news?
[QUOTE=Alcoholocaust;39034731]Its more like preventing them from buying the new linkin park cd or some other shit just because its popular.[/QUOTE]
Soooooo people aren't entitled to have their own opinions in music and what they listen to must be chosen by the parents?
[editline]31st December 2012[/editline]
Who the fuck cares what the child listens to. It's not going to effect any part of him unless he has some mental issue which is probably not the case.
Same with movies. And books. And pretty much any form of entertainment media.
[QUOTE=Super_Nova;39030973]"I hope that you understand it is my job to raise you into a well rounded, healthy young man that can function in the world and coexist with technology, not be ruled by it," Janell Hoffman wrote.[/QUOTE]
Except, functioning properly in the world is increasingly becoming dependant on technology.
Change the contact name of "Dad" and "Mom" to something like Caca1" and "Caca2" so he never has to answer to them. But he still can't watch porn... which sucks...
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;39032464]Completely missed the point, please, can't you tell whats an example or not?
And yes, people do you use google to solve math/physics/whatever
Again, you missed the point by a large margin, I am not saying that "it is better because it is antiquated", what I'm saying is that there's the whole "find it, read, write it down, research, organize" of the library environment is something that you probably won't have on google.
You know, loads of people do their homework by simply googling and copy-pasting in certain schools, and this completely misses the whole reason for the teacher to give that task for kids in the first place.[/QUOTE]
I go the the library on numerous occasions, I love reading books there. True, books do contain a huge amount of information than an internet article, however it doesn't necessarily mean that the information in the book is entirely correct. I remember being confused when I had to do a research paper on WWII since I found contradictory information between several books. It's not really surprising since information is updated as research/technology expand. This applies heavily to the Computer Science field.
Anyway, you aren't saying that the ease of information is the problem, but how people treat it with a lack of importance. The people who copy-paste wouldn't bother to do the actual assignment if they had to do it by book.
[QUOTE=cccritical;39034509]"how dare she try to raise her child with manners and respect? bitch mom lol" -everyone in this thread[/QUOTE]
Being a kid who was raised under a strict environment, I'm simply going to say that she's not going to get her ideal child. I'm really surprised on how correct the posters in this thread were. :v:
Judging by the content of this thread i hope no one on FP has kids
even me
That's incredibly stupid, a lot of those rules seem to be about forcing some ridiculous hipster lifestyle on him. As for the more sensible rules, any parent expects their kid to behave as such but good parents generally trust their kid instead of forcing rules upon them that are only going to cause a rebellious attitude to spark. What a crap mother.
[QUOTE=FFStudios;39035710]I didn't say "with militantly fascist restrictions", I said "with NO restrictions". As in lack of them. Complete lack of them.[/QUOTE]
if you ask me that's equally bad, because then you teach the kid that life has no rules whatsoever and on his 19th birthday he gets drunk off his ass and shoves his dick into some random woman because he thinks he can
You teach him some basic shit, "don't steal", "don't lie", etc so forth but make him free range with most everything else and I think you'll wind up with a damn good kid
[QUOTE=legolover122;39035775]Soooooo people aren't entitled to have their own opinions in music and what they listen to must be chosen by the parents?
[editline]31st December 2012[/editline]
Who the fuck cares what the child listens to. [B]It's not going to effect any part of him unless he has some mental issue[/B] which is probably not the case.
Same with movies. And books. And pretty much any form of entertainment media.[/QUOTE]
I dunno man maybe he could end up having a death metal addiction like that swedish dishwasher guy. Spooky.
[QUOTE=barttool;39037088]I dunno man maybe he could end up having a death metal addiction like that swedish dishwasher guy. Spooky.[/QUOTE]
Death metal killed my dog
And then parents wonder why their kid is a socially awkward turbonerde who can't even talk to people without having a panic attack.
I'm not saying kids shouldn't have restrictions, but imposing stupid rules like this will only harm your kid and possibly make them hate you.
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;39031474]No you're not, when you go to the library there is actual effort, you need to search for the book by hand, pick the correct one, search for the information, etc..[/QUOTE]
spending 45 minutes searching for a book that might be absent from the library, or be incredibly outdated, is a very efficient alternative to spending 3 seconds typing your subject and pressing enter
well I just realized that this thread already has five pages so this joke has probably already been made but FUCK YOU I'm original god damn it
the first rule of iphones is that you do not talk about iphones
[QUOTE=Jorori;39034583]I know what you mean, but the order is actually Tetrapoda -> Amniota (Fully terrestial critters that lay eggs with hardened shells) + Amphibia (Modern amphibians go here); then Amniota -> Synapsida (Mammals go here) + Sauropsida (Modern reptiles go here)
So mammals are not even considered true reptiles nor amphibians (Depends of what you call either of them, for example, most prehistoric amphibians are not even considered "True Amphibians" and just sit in Tetrapoda)[/QUOTE]I believe that Carboniferous amphibians are considered int he same order as modern ones.
[editline]30th December 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;39037596]spending 45 minutes searching for a book that might be absent from the library, or be incredibly outdated, is a very efficient alternative to spending 3 seconds typing your subject and pressing enter[/QUOTE]I use google instant so I don't even have to press enter what now bitch
With all those restrictions what is the point of having a smartphone in the first place?
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;39037330]Death metal killed my dog[/QUOTE]
My brother died after sharing death metal needles
So my mum tried this when she bought me my tablet.
Did i obey any of them? No
No fucking way would i tell her the password to it, i have private things on there, which i want to keep between the people i have talked to about it.
These rules are fucking stupid and the kid isnt going to follow them
This is just shit parenting. AKA how to make your kid a social outcast and fuck up his life forever 101.
[QUOTE=Ereunity;39031028]This is the kind of thing I'd do with my kids. She's a pretty awesome mum.[/QUOTE]
You'd become a shit parent,
[QUOTE=FFStudios;39031279]At 13 years old, these are relatively light rules. Assuming these will begin to get removed as he gets older, I can see myself doing something very similar to my own child when I get them their first phone.[/QUOTE]
you'd become a shit parent,
[QUOTE=cccritical;39034509]"how dare she try to raise her child with manners and respect? bitch mom lol" -everyone in this thread[/QUOTE]
and you'd become a shit parent too.
Good god, the parent needs her brain checked stat. Why the fuck am I sharing oxygen with her?
[editline]31st December 2012[/editline]
Also yay 6K posts
[QUOTE=brianosaur;39031016]What a great mother[/QUOTE]
If no one talked to strangers, no one would have any friends.
[editline]31st December 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;39039459]This is just shit parenting. AKA how to make your kid a social outcast and fuck up his life forever 101.
You'd become a shit parent,
you'd become a shit parent,
and you'd become a shit parent too.
Good god, the parent needs her brain checked stat. Why the fuck am I sharing oxygen with her?
[editline]31st December 2012[/editline]
Also yay 6K posts[/QUOTE]
Huh? You must be a child. If anything, she's a shit parent for getting her 13 year old kid a smartphone in the first place. I didn't get a smartphone until I could afford one on my own; I bought it at 17.
I had a look at the "rules".
1: Not a rule. Fuck you.
2: DOUBLE FUCK YOU
3: Really? Nobody says "hello" to friends, that's just being creepy as fuck. This was made up because caller ID didn't exist, now you can actually personalize your greeting, and you have a couple of seconds to think about it too.
4: Right, please just kill yourself.
5: [B]Fuck off, what's the point of a mobile phone if you can't use it when you're mobile you crazy cunt[/B]
6: I agree with this.
7: ... Really? This is something you should teach your kid before your kid reaches the age of 13.
8: Right...
9: Fuck off.
10: Porn on phones sucks, trust me.
11: I do that, but I've missed calls and text messages because of that, so I wouldn't force it on someone.
12: You should have instilled enough logic into your kid by now that this wouldn't a problem. You're a shitty parent, and you're just trying to get traffic on your blog with this shit.
13: Are you fucking kidding me? Human memory is one of the worst storage mediums on this planet, I wish Google Goggles existed already and just let me store everything, like lectures, for reviewing them later.
14: See rule #5
15: So now you're forcing your music taste on your kid, classy. Oh and fuck off.
16: See above rule, except now you're forcing shitty games on your kid.
17: You're telling a kid to be curious about the world around them. You are literally retarded.
18: Well, at least you established what will happen in this scenario.
Am I the only one that doesn't see where the list of these rules are? I just see a media video.
[editline]31st December 2012[/editline]
Oh, the source is different from when I first read this. Never mind.
[QUOTE=nikomo;39039510]I had a look at the "rules".
1: Not a rule. Fuck you.
2: DOUBLE FUCK YOU
3: Really? Nobody says "hello" to friends, that's just being creepy as fuck. This was made up because caller ID didn't exist, now you can actually personalize your greeting, and you have a couple of seconds to think about it too.
4: Right, please just kill yourself.
5: [B]Fuck off, what's the point of a mobile phone if you can't use it when you're mobile you crazy cunt[/B]
6: I agree with this.
7: ... Really? This is something you should teach your kid before your kid reaches the age of 13.
8: Right...
9: Fuck off.
10: Porn on phones sucks, trust me.
11: I do that, but I've missed calls and text messages because of that, so I wouldn't force it on someone.
12: You should have instilled enough logic into your kid by now that this wouldn't a problem. You're a shitty parent, and you're just trying to get traffic on your blog with this shit.
13: Are you fucking kidding me? Human memory is one of the worst storage mediums on this planet, I wish Google Goggles existed already and just let me store everything, like lectures, for reviewing them later.
14: See rule #5
15: So now you're forcing your music taste on your kid, classy. Oh and fuck off.
16: See above rule, except now you're forcing shitty games on your kid.
17: You're telling a kid to be curious about the world around them. You are literally retarded.
18: Well, at least you established what will happen in this scenario.[/QUOTE]
1: Huh? So you think the brat's supposed to call the phone his and the parent has no say in the issue?
2: You're going to make a shitty parent if you don't know what your kids are doing.
3: I say hello to everyone. That's what everyone does. Go back to your moon.
4: There's no reason for a child to be up past about 8 or so, so this affects nothing.
5: School is full of thieves.
6: So you're not insane
7: Teenagers are terrible at being decent human beings
8: The internet would be a much better place if this held true for everyone.
9: I'm on the fence about this one myself. Children should obey the rules of their environment, but amongst themselves should be allowed to use whatever filthy language they want. They're just words.
10: I disagree with the parent on this one. A kid having access to porn is a lot better than him knocking a girl up at the age of 2.
11: It is appallingly rude to talk on your phone in a restaurant or at the flicker show. Why is this up for debate?
12: Teenagers are terrible at making decisions and very much succeptible to peer pressure. Were you not a teen or something? If that 10th grader with the big tits wanted to trade nude pics with you, you'da done it in a heartbeat.
13: The execution was a bit eh on this one. Take all the pictures you want, but not so much as it annoys literally everyone around you. Same goes for sharing pictures.
14: I leave my phone home all the time. Sometimes I WANT to miss calls and not be fucked with everyone's bullshit. They can wait.
15: What? It's solid advice. She said do this. She didn't say don't listen to what he wants, just to expand his horizons, listen to shit apart from those ~raw~~ tracks by the living god of wubshit, Skrillex.
16: Like number 15, this sounds like a non-self-executor.
17: I don't know about you, but people that are buried in their phones seem amazingly two dimensional and shallow. That, and they've ~always~ got to be up in shit.
You must got mommy and daddy issues or sumin cause holy fuck, you just seem to hate parents doing their job.
2 ~extreem~ 4 rules men
EDIT: Come on Whale, let's go.
ITT: Spoiled, entitled brats that think they're entitled to everything.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39039614]1: Huh? So you think the brat's supposed to call the phone his and the parent has no say in the issue? [b]It's a gift. She gifted it to him. It's his[/b]
2: You're going to make a shitty parent if you don't know what your kids are doing. [b]You're going to be a shitty parent if you go 1984 on your kids.[/b]
3: I say hello to everyone. That's what everyone does. Go back to your moon.
4: There's no reason for a child to be up past about 8 or so, so this affects nothing. [b]It's 5am right now. I've been doing things the entire night. Things that expand my social life, help other people, and increase my knowledge.[/b]
5: School is full of thieves. [b]You have pockets for a reason. But honestly, you're at school 6-8 hours a day.[/b]
6: So you're not insane
7: Teenagers are terrible at being decent human beings. [b]I'll amend that to "people are terrible at being decent human beings.[/b]
8: The internet would be a much better place if this held true for everyone.
9: I'm on the fence about this one myself. Children should obey the rules of their environment, but amongst themselves should be allowed to use whatever filthy language they want. They're just words.
10: I disagree with the parent on this one. A kid having access to porn is a lot better than him knocking a girl up at the age of 2.
11: It is appallingly rude to talk on your phone in a restaurant or at the flicker show. Why is this up for debate? [b]In public. That means: anywhere but his house.[/b]
12: Teenagers are terrible at making decisions and very much susceptible to peer pressure. Were you not a teen or something? If that 10th grader with the big tits wanted to trade nude pics with you, you'da done it in a heartbeat. [b]No, I would not have/will not. Because I'm not an idiot like you think I am. I have a brain.[/b]
13: The execution was a bit eh on this one. Take all the pictures you want, but not so much as it annoys literally everyone around you. Same goes for sharing pictures.
14: I leave my phone home all the time. Sometimes I WANT to miss calls and not be fucked with everyone's bullshit. They can wait.
15: What? It's solid advice. She said do this. She didn't say don't listen to what he wants, just to expand his horizons, listen to shit apart from those ~raw~~ tracks by the living god of wubshit, Skrillex.
16: Like number 15, this sounds like a non-self-executor.
17: I don't know about you, but people that are buried in their phones seem amazingly two dimensional and shallow. That, and they've ~always~ got to be up in shit. [b]Wonder without googling?[/b]
You must got mommy and daddy issues or sumin cause holy fuck, you just seem to hate parents doing their job.
2 ~extreem~ 4 rules men[/QUOTE]
You seem to think teenagers are walking masses of stupid. Some are. But not all of them.
[QUOTE=supersnail11;39039654]You seem to think teenagers are walking masses of stupid. Some are. But not all of them.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying that at all. But I was a teenager once, and in some ways I still am. Teenagers aren't the best at making decisions based on reason and critical thinking. It's why we don't let people drive at 13 and let people own firearms at 13.
In regards to number one, it clearly wasn't a gift. What she gifted him was the ability to sign an agreement licensing his use to the phone.
In regards to number two, it may be shitty, but at least it's responsible. You should know if your child is gonna sneak out and go get shitfaced at some party or something.
Number four, you're also on break. Or I assume so, anyway. I'll yield and say the parent should have made exceptions for weekends and offtime. But really, one does need to impart the knowledge unto their children that they should not be bothering people at midnight. It's just rude.
Five, teenagers aren't the best at making good decisions. Let someone use it and they run off with it. Either that, or someone will see him with it and just yank it out of his pocket. I had that happen with a iPod one time, and the school refused to do anything because it was my fault for bringing it. Schools like to wash their hands of responsibility. If something happens at school, it's going to be your fault for being the victim.
Eleven: It's not rude to talk on the street or to leave the table in the restaurant (only after you excuse yourself) and go outside. Basic manners.
Twelve: It's not that head having a brain I'm worried about :v: I have a brain too, but you bet your ass I'da done that shit.
Seventeen: Yeah that just dumb. Not even gonna try to rebut.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39039667]I'm not saying that at all. But I was a teenager once, and in some ways I still am. Teenagers aren't the best at making decisions based on reason and critical thinking. It's why we don't let people drive at 13 and let people own firearms at 13.[/QUOTE]
Let's ignore your subjective evidence based on your own observations and look at it this way: how will giving a kid a device that he cannot use for 90% of the day, that he can't use for anything private, and that his parents are always keeping an eye on, make him reason better or be a better critical thinker? People remember mistakes much more than lectures.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39039499]Huh? You must be a child. If anything, she's a shit parent for getting her 13 year old kid a smartphone in the first place. I didn't get a smartphone until I could afford one on my own; I bought it at 17.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, what? While yes, you're spoiled if you get a 64 GB iPhone or iPad at just 13 (or you're super mature), there are kids that [i]aren't[/i] complete idiots when it comes to etiquette, and yet they're going to be treated like a complete moron by helicopter parents anyways.
If you're being given a phone of some sort, and it's stated that you're the one that will own it, YOU should [b]own[/b] it. Otherwise, it trumps the point of "owning" a phone as pointed out by Liem.
If you're going to make any restrictions, at least make them somewhat sensible. The rules this mom set up are just completely idiotic, and will eventually get the kid and/or his mother killed sooner or later.
[editline]31st December 2012[/editline]
And plus, loaning completely defeats the point of this concept called the "gift".
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