[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;39039709]I'm sorry, what? While yes, you're spoiled if you get a 64 GB iPhone or iPad at just 13 (or you're super mature), there are kids that [I]aren't[/I] complete idiots when it comes to etiquette, and yet they're going to be treated like a complete moron by helicopter parents anyways.
If you're being given a phone of some sort, and it's stated that you're the one that will own it, YOU should [B]own[/B] it. Otherwise, it trumps the point of "owning" a phone as pointed out by Liem.
If you're going to make any restrictions, at least make them somewhat sensible. The rules this mom set up are just completely idiotic, and will eventually get the kid and/or his mother killed sooner or later.
[editline]31st December 2012[/editline]
And plus, loaning completely defeats the point of this concept called the "gift".[/QUOTE]
The gift is "Hey, I paid for this for you! But, since I did so, I want you to agree to these conditions."
But the parent has a right to protect her investment. I'd be god damned if I let my kid take something expensive to school so it could get stolen.
Fact is, mistakes cost money. Let them fuck up with shit that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
I regret not having strong parents like the one in this article. Mine were kinda shitty, but at least I learned how not to parent.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39039499]If no one talked to strangers, no one would have any friends.
[editline]31st December 2012[/editline]
Huh? You must be a child. If anything, she's a shit parent for getting her 13 year old kid a smartphone in the first place. I didn't get a smartphone until I could afford one on my own; I bought it at 17.[/QUOTE]
So? Yes, okay, you didn't get one until you bought it yourself
Your differing experiences don't let you try and force them on others
[QUOTE=ojcoolj;39039728]So? Yes, okay, you didn't get one until you bought it yourself
Your differing experiences don't let you try and force them on others[/QUOTE]
When did I ever try to force it on anyone? Isn't that exactly what everyone in this thread is doing by saying this mother is fucktarded just for doing her job?
Another thing, is I value it. It's easy not to value something you didn't work for. I've still got the thing today, and it's in reasonable shape for 4 years of usage.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39039721]The gift is "hey, you get to, for all intents and purposes, own this status symbol. "
But the parent has a right to protect her investment. I'd be god damned if I let my kid take something expensive to school so it could get stolen.
Fact is, mistakes cost money. Let them fuck up with shit that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.[/QUOTE]
There are such things as insurance, the police, Find my iPhone/iPad/iPod touch (or equivalent for other platforms), you know.
[editline]31st December 2012[/editline]
If you don't set up something similar to Find my iPhone right away, your device deserves to get stolen.
But isn't that a utility to protect your investment for you anyways???
The things that really, really pissed me off the most was the password thing (great, teach him to share password you dipshit, that'll work really fucking well when he grows up and gets a job at a large company and then gives absolutely everyone his fucking login details), and the whole "wonder without Google" thing.
Parents are humans, and humans are fucking retarded. Google and Wikipedia reduce this effect by gathering information from multiple sources, that have been verified by multiple people, and as such are way better information sources than you.
But then again, this is one of those "blogger moms" or whatever the fuck you want to call them, and as such, she's completely incapable of understanding the kind of shit she's spewing out (if she could understand it, she would stop "blogging" (shitposting)).
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;39039739]There are such things as insurance, the police, Find my iPhone/iPad/iPod touch (or equivalent for other platforms), you know.[/QUOTE]
They have phone insurance now? Never heard of that.
Find my iPhone? Hmm, didn't think of that one. Got me there. But let's assume they steal it and then render the device unusable, just because that kind of thing happens all the time.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39039734]When did I ever try to force it on anyone? Isn't that exactly what everyone in this thread is doing by saying this mother is fucktarded just for doing her job?
Another thing, is I value it. It's easy not to value something you didn't work for. I've still got the thing today, and it's in reasonable shape for 4 years of usage.[/QUOTE]
Her job is not to force her rules onto her son because apparently 13 year olds are braindead idiots
If you think 13 year olds are not mature enough for a phone, you're not all right in the head
And really? Its rude to talk on the phone in the restaurant? Where the hell'd you hear that, nobody follows that "rule"
And you called him a brat, just because he got a smartphone? What information there lets you call him a brat?
[QUOTE=Irkalla]12: Teenagers are terrible at making decisions and very much succeptible to peer pressure. Were you not a teen or something? If that 10th grader with the big tits wanted to trade nude pics with you, you'da done it in a heartbeat.
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You deserve no respect from anyone under the age of 20, or over 20
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39039751]They have phone insurance now? Never heard of that.
Find my iPhone? Hmm, didn't think of that one. Got me there. But let's assume they steal it and then render the device unusable, just because that kind of thing happens all the time.[/QUOTE]
Still things like an insurance policy, security cameras (if it happens to get stolen near one), suspect descriptions, and the police.
[QUOTE=nikomo;39039749]The things that really, really pissed me off the most was the password thing (great, teach him to share password you dipshit, that'll work really fucking well when he grows up and gets a job at a large company and then gives absolutely everyone his fucking login details), and the whole "wonder without Google" thing.
Parents are humans, and humans are fucking retarded. Google and Wikipedia reduce this effect by gathering information from multiple sources, that have been verified by multiple people, and as such are way better information sources than you.
But then again, this is one of those "blogger moms" or whatever the fuck you want to call them, and as such, she's completely incapable of understanding the kind of shit she's spewing out (if she could understand it, she would stop "blogging" (shitposting)).[/QUOTE]
The password thing is fairly controversial.
On one hand, your child should have nothing to fear if he's not doing anything wrong.
On the other, a child has a right to some manner of privacy. It's a tough one.
I, personally, go through the mobile carrier and get text message monitoring service. It's a good compromise to allowing the kid to feel a sense of privacy, and giving you the peace of mind of knowing what he's up to.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39039764]The password thing is fairly controversial.
On one hand, your child should have nothing to fear if he's not doing anything wrong.
On the other, a child has a right to some manner of privacy. It's a tough one.
I, personally, go through the mobile carrier and get text message monitoring service. It's a good compromise to allowing the kid to feel a sense of privacy, and giving you the peace of mind of knowing what he's up to.[/QUOTE]
"If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear" is the worst argument ever
Alright, if some airport guard strips me down to my boxers because "If I have nothing to hide, I have nothing to fear" then I guess its alright
An invasion of privacy is an invasion of privacy, whether or not its justified
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39039764]On one hand, your child should have nothing to fear if he's not doing anything wrong.[/QUOTE]
Isn't this [b]exactly[/b] what the US government says when approached about spying accusations?
You remind me of my friends Mom who tracked her phone for months and took it off her because "15 year olds are too young for relationships"
[editline]31st December 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;39039774]Isn't this [b]exactly[/b] what the US government says when approached about spying accusations?[/QUOTE]
Yes. And it never works.
I love how Irkalla thinks that "If you get a smartphone when you're 13, you're a spoiled brat and your parents are shitty"
[QUOTE=ojcoolj;39039773]"If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear" is the worst argument ever
Alright, if some airport guard strips me down to my boxers because "If I have nothing to hide, I have nothing to fear" then I guess its alright
An invasion of privacy is an invasion of privacy, whether or not its justified[/QUOTE]
I never endorsed it.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39039764]On one hand, your child should have nothing to fear if he's not doing anything wrong.[/QUOTE]
ahahahahh you're not serious are you
[QUOTE=ojcoolj;39039777]You remind me of my friends Mom who tracked her phone for months and took it off her because "15 year olds are too young for relationships"
[editline]31st December 2012[/editline]
Yes. And it never works.
I love how Irkalla thinks that "If you get a smartphone when you're 13, you're a spoiled brat and your parents are shitty"[/QUOTE]
That's pretty much it lol. Kid's got no business with something that powerful, and something that requires so much sound judgement and reasoning to use safely and responsibly.
That, and what the hell is the breadwinner of the family doing to have all that extra money lying around (that could be going to a college education -- the best gift you can ever give your child)
[editline]31st December 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jojje;39039792]ahahahahh you're not serious are you[/QUOTE]
Simply stating it's a side of the argument.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39039795]That's pretty much it lol. Kid's got no business with something that powerful, and something that requires so much sound judgement and reasoning to use safely and responsibly.
[editline]31st December 2012[/editline]
Simply stating it's a side of the argument.[/QUOTE]
How dense can you be
A smartphone is powerful, he's not going to blow his face off with it
What the FUCK happened in your childhood to trigger this irrational hatred and discrimination of teenagers?
[QUOTE=ojcoolj;39039802]How dense can you be[/QUOTE]
Oh, so I have a dissenting opinion, so I'm dense. How tolerant.
I'm not discriminating against teenagers, but it's a well known fact that teenagers aren't the most capable of soundly judging and reasoning.
I guess you think teenagers should be able to purchase alcohol, drive, and conceal carry firearms as well as own them, since they're so mature and well developed.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39039795]Kid's got no business with something that powerful, and something that requires so much sound judgement and reasoning to use safely and responsibly.[/QUOTE]
It actually doesn't take that much to use it responsibly, all with a thing called COMMON SENSE (which should finish developing or is finished developing right around teenager years).
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;39039808]It actually doesn't take that much to use it responsibly, all with a thing called COMMON SENSE (which should finish developing or is finished developing right around teenager years).[/QUOTE]
You'd be surprised how much of a commodity Common Sense is. If you're well-endowed with it, congratulations, you're the exception.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39039805]Oh, so I have a dissenting opinion, so I'm dense. How tolerant.[/QUOTE]
There's having a dissenting opinion
And then there's having a stupid, biased opinion
I doubt a 13 year old, of any intellect, is going to be happy if he got a college fund for Christmas, which he won't even need for at least 5 years, instead of a Smartphone.
To be honest, if you were the parent, this article would have been even [I]worse[/I]
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39039784]I never endorsed it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39039764]I, personally, go through the mobile carrier and get text message monitoring service. It's a good compromise to allowing the kid to feel a sense of privacy, and giving you the peace of mind of knowing what he's up to.[/QUOTE]
Is this not you endorsing it by using such services?
Its kinda funny his mantra is "Make them think they have rights to privacy, but secretly spy on them!"
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;39039820]Is this not you endorsing it by using such services?[/QUOTE]
Not for that reason. I believe it's not only a parent's right, but a parents duty to know what his children are up to.
I'm sorry that we disagree so starkly, but I will always support strong parenting (as long as they're at least remotely sane. Strong parents are sometimes a bit unfair, but that's part of being a kid.)
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39039805]but it's a well known fact that teenagers aren't the most capable of soundly judging and reasoning.[/QUOTE]
This is stereotyping.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39039835]Not for that reason. I believe it's not only a parent's right, but a parents duty to know what his children are up to.
I'm sorry that we disagree so starkly, but I will always support strong parenting (as long as they're at least remotely sane. Strong parents are sometimes a bit unfair, but that's part of being a kid.)[/QUOTE]
Everyone who knows me thinks I should be put into a psych ward - and yet my phone continues to go unmonitored.
Please explain how my loving, caring, dear mother possibly screwed up there?
So you're basically saying children should have no privacy ever, in case they're normal enough to screw up or goof off like NORMAL children.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39039835]Not for that reason. I believe it's not only a parent's right, but a parents duty to know what his children are up to.[/QUOTE]
An invasion of privacy is still an invasion of privacy, no matter how you look at it.
[editline]31st December 2012[/editline]
You should read 1984 sometime.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;39039836]This is stereotyping.[/QUOTE]
Then why can't teenagers own firearms and conceal carry? Why can't they purchase alcohol? Why can't they obtain a driver's license earlier?
I've asked you why teens shouldn't be allowed to be in charge of decisions requiring sound judgement and reasoning, and you haven't answered me once.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39039858]I've asked you why teens shouldn't be allowed to be in charge of decisions requiring sound judgement and reasoning, and you haven't answered me once.[/QUOTE]
Did you mean to reply to ojcoolj? AFAIK you haven't asked [i]me[/i] specifically.
Means I currently am not obligated to answer that, but I will anyways: it's because they can threaten lives. A smartphone can't unless you attach some sort of a weapon onto it.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;39039851]An invasion of privacy is still an invasion of privacy, no matter how you look at it.
[editline]31st December 2012[/editline]
You should read 1984 sometime.[/QUOTE]
The means may outweigh the benefits. My mother had deduced my passwords at one point, and was spying on my myspace. I was mad as fuck about it, but looking back I appreciate that she cared enough to do it.
Yeah, it sucks to happen... But these aren't adults. As long as they live in one's house, he decides how they will live there. You just don't let your children do whatever the fuck they want, that's not how things work.
If you did, you'd have McDonald's every meal, nothing would ever get cleaned up, and there would never be any money in the bank.
[editline]31st December 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;39039874]Did you mean to reply to ojcoolj? AFAIK you haven't asked [I]me[/I] specifically.[/QUOTE]
Oh. You're probably right, I wasn't keeping track. I would have expected you to jump on it with some raw, cutting counterarguments though.
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