Enjoy that money wasted. I want to know what else his mother dictates, it'd be a fun read.
People seriously still have landline telephones? Fascinating.
That almost justifies taking it away from him when he comes home.
[QUOTE=Jsm;39033446]IMO it's because "modern" parents think they understand this stuff (to an extent they do) so they are trying to control it, whereas older parents (ie the parents of relatively older children than the one in the article) don't understand it so for the most part tried to apply common sense to it. Which appears to have mostly worked.
[editline]30th December 2012[/editline]
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my thoughts on it will be the ones that actually grew up with it (aka your parents had already had a computer when you were born) (aka average fper) will be the ones that figure out common sense again
At that point she might as well have gotten him a good old landline phone. I'm also not sure where all this mystical power attributed to smartphones comes from, the major difference here between a smartphone and a computer is that you can keep one in your pocket.
[QUOTE=Samiam22;39040243]I don't understand why you think a 13-year-old shouldn't be up past 8. That's ridiculous.[B] He isn't a child[/B].[/QUOTE]
Then let him secure his own living arrangements where he can make his own rules if he's such a ~grown ass man~~
[editline]1st January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39040149]what message does it set for a person(a child), when the authority figure of their life says "No, you don't have privacy". It's not about how miserable or happy a kid is, but the implications of that behaviour on them. Giving them mistrust of authority and a representation of it that isn't likeable nor respectable due to a lack of understanding between two parties, it's not going to work out in the long run.
Kids are due a certain level of privacy so they can learn how to use it and how to be smart with it. As a parent, invading your kids space in every way you can to keep them "safe" may seem like the best option, but it's going to end up giving your child a view of privacy and private space that's not going to work out for the best in every case.
By giving kids freedom, a few feet at a time they can learn how to walk before they try to run, and kids will learn from this. Every kids different, but if you try and force some methods on some kids, it doesn't work. I'd rather believe that getting to test the waters out for yourself, knowing you have a line back home is going to lead to better results than being shafted out of person privacy.[/QUOTE]
Shit man, I dunno. I completely understand because (for entirely different reasons) I developed an extreme mistrust of authority, and felt the need to antagonize it wherever possible.
I dunno man. I would still feel irresponsible as a parent if I didn't monitor the child's texts.
For example, I catch him cursing, I would do absolutely nothing as the taboo against cursing is ridiculous. Catch him arranging a meetup to fuck some girl, then I'd sit down and have a talk with him, give him some condoms; tell him that he better use them every time; that I can't control whether or not he goes out to fuck that girl, but if he does, I can at least help him and her be safer; and that I'm not gonna be there to bail him out of consequences when her daddy finds out.
This presents prime opportunities to give lessons at certain times, and to be honest, as a teen, would you really be in dismay if you found that your parents were monitoring your online and mobile activity? I wouldn't have been.
There are some things that every father should teach his son.
To use condoms, for fuck's sake;
Where to find pornography;
And that there are sometimes that a man must stand on his own.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39051843]Then let him secure his own living arrangements where he can make his own rules if he's such a ~grown ass man~~
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So in your mind only 'men' would ever need to stay up past 8?
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39051843]Then let him secure his own living arrangements where he can make his own rules if he's such a ~grown ass man~~
[editline]1st January 2013[/editline]
Shit man, I dunno. I completely understand because (for entirely different reasons) I developed an extreme mistrust of authority, and felt the need to antagonize it wherever possible.
I dunno man. I would still feel irresponsible as a parent if I didn't monitor the child's texts.
For example, I catch him cursing, I would do absolutely nothing as the taboo against cursing is ridiculous. Catch him arranging a meetup to fuck some girl, then I'd sit down and have a talk with him, give him some condoms; tell him that he better use them every time; that I can't control whether or not he goes out to fuck that girl, but if he does, I can at least help him and her be safer; and that I'm not gonna be there to bail him out of consequences when her daddy finds out.
This presents prime opportunities to give lessons at certain times, and to be honest, as a teen, would you really be in dismay if you found that your parents were monitoring your online and mobile activity? I wouldn't have been.
There are some things that every father should teach his son.
To use condoms, for fuck's sake;
Where to find pornography;
And that there are sometimes that a man must stand on his own.[/QUOTE]
can't you teach them without having to monitor everything
[quote]
"It is my phone. I bought it. I pay for it. [B]I am loaning it to you[/B]. Aren't I the greatest?"
"I hope that you understand it is my job to raise you into a well rounded, healthy young man that can function in the world and coexist with technology, not be ruled by it," Janell Hoffman wrote. "Failure to comply with the following list will result in termination of [B]your iPhone ownership.[/B]"[/quote]
The agreement is void :P as it does not actually state what it is about.
[QUOTE=FPChris;39046157]People seriously still have landline telephones? Fascinating.
That almost justifies taking it away from him when he comes home.[/QUOTE]
Not really, since we've gotten accustomed to a very different standard of contacting someone due to how widespread cellphones actually are. When you want to get in touch with someone you don't call where they live. You call the person themselves and it's something completely standard. Most people probably don't even have your home phone number if you have any.
To be honest, reading the list I see a kid that has never had a cellphone before and a mom that's very controlling of her child's behaviour around it. The fact that it's a list about an iphone is not important. Most of the points are applicable to every single mobile phone ever, which just shows that the kid hasn't had access to one.
Irkalla, I feel sorry if you're going to enforce similar/stricter shit on your child
Let them be, let them grow, let them learn, let them be independent, of course you still got to care and help them but there's much much better ways than being a spy because you have no trust in your kids
My parents never installed any sort of filtering software and when I got my phone my only rules were
"Don't go over your phone bill or else you're paying, oh and don't lose it"
Also 7:30 bed times for a 13 year old is fucking stupid if not really dumb, 9:00 bed times seem far better and weekends should be around 11, or just take the cap off in general because they'll eventually find it harder to go to sleep early but they'll wake up fine regardless
If I were this kid I'd take that agreement to a lawyer to help me find any loopholes. :v
If I had a child, I would just give him a bit advice to avoid trouble with smartphones.
Damn, you need to make some mistakes and gain experience
thats how learning works.
i wouldnt agree to the rules
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;39053897]If I were this kid I'd take that agreement to a lawyer to help me find any loopholes. :v[/QUOTE]
Here kids under 15 can't even sign agreements.
And under 18'ers can only sign with their parents approval.
Considering how most families celebrate holidays on their phones rather than socializing with who is in front of them, I support this list of rules. Too many people these days are so absorbed by technology that they are missing a lot of what is going on around them. And it's sad.
"13. Don't take a zillion pictures and videos. There is no need to document everything. Live your experiences. They will be stored in your memory for eternity."
What's wrong with documenting things you see?
[QUOTE=Super_Nova;39030973][url]http://abcnews.go.com/US/massachusetts-mom-son-sign-18-point-agreement-iphone/story?id=18094401#.UOCPF2872Ag[/url][/QUOTE]
I love how the time limit rule means that if he goes out with friends, he has no way to contact his parents in case he gets in trouble.
Which, you know, is literally the only reason my parents ever wanted to me to have a cellphone.
[editline]1st January 2013[/editline]
This mom is braindamaged.
[QUOTE=DarkendSky;39057535]I love how the time limit rule means that if he goes out with friends, he has no way to contact his parents in case he gets in trouble.
Which, you know, is literally the only reason my parents ever wanted to me to have a cellphone.
[editline]1st January 2013[/editline]
This mom is braindamaged.[/QUOTE]
Same applies to me.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39051843]Then let him secure his own living arrangements where he can make his own rules if he's such a ~grown ass man~~
[editline]1st January 2013[/editline]
Shit man, I dunno. I completely understand because (for entirely different reasons) I developed an extreme mistrust of authority, and felt the need to antagonize it wherever possible.
I dunno man. I would still feel irresponsible as a parent if I didn't monitor the child's texts.
For example, I catch him cursing, I would do absolutely nothing as the taboo against cursing is ridiculous. Catch him arranging a meetup to fuck some girl, then I'd sit down and have a talk with him, give him some condoms; tell him that he better use them every time; that I can't control whether or not he goes out to fuck that girl, but if he does, I can at least help him and her be safer; and that I'm not gonna be there to bail him out of consequences when her daddy finds out.
This presents prime opportunities to give lessons at certain times, and to be honest, as a teen, would you really be in dismay if you found that your parents were monitoring your online and mobile activity? I wouldn't have been.
There are some things that every father should teach his son.
To use condoms, for fuck's sake;
Where to find pornography;
And that there are sometimes that a man must stand on his own.[/QUOTE]
so you'd rather there's no chance your kids trust you at all
rather than try and earn that trust and make that relationship mean something
because you can't be arsed to trust them for a moment
you'll be a horrible parent.
[QUOTE=Jurikuer;39057237]Considering how most families celebrate holidays on their phones rather than socializing with who is in front of them, I support this list of rules. Too many people these days are so absorbed by technology that they are missing a lot of what is going on around them. And it's sad.[/QUOTE]
I think that this view is mostly cynical.
Ironically, the reason why they cling to their phones is because no one is talking/doing anything with them. If the meetings/celebrations were truly memories worth keeping, then they wouldn't resort to any other unrelated activity. I've considered most of the celebrations that I have experienced in my adosolence boring since the parties consisted of adults.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;39063222]I think that this view is mostly cynical.
Ironically, the reason why they cling to their phones is because no one is talking/doing anything with them. If the meetings/celebrations were truly memories worth keeping, then they wouldn't resort to any other unrelated activity. I've considered most of the celebrations that I have experienced in my adosolence boring since the parties consisted of adults.[/QUOTE]
This, except I'm using my iPod most of the time.
[QUOTE=FPChris;39046157]People seriously still have landline telephones? Fascinating.
That almost justifies taking it away from him when he comes home.[/QUOTE]
What if another event the magnitude of 9/11 were to happen? Cell networks would be jammed in seconds. It's idiotic not to have a landline as a backup if you can afford it.
Sounds like a right cunt.
[editline]2nd January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;39053897]If I were this kid I'd take that agreement to a lawyer to help me find any loopholes. :v[/QUOTE]
Somehow I don't think this 'agreement' would stand up in any court.
[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;39034393]When my mom got me my iPhone (that I just paid for, they pay the bills for now) all she told me to do was "Don't drop it."[/QUOTE]
my mom got me an iPhone and said "Don't be a fucking retard and lose that shit".
She seriously said that
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Honestly, if you can't trust the kid to make good choices and have a successful social life now and you have a feeling that it's your responsibility to make all aspects of his life what you think are a good life, How the fuck do you expect him to be successful on his own. Kid will probably never text with his friends or his girlfriend because he'll probably be too embarrassed to. The kid's probably gonna wind up being afraid of using the damn thing because his mom has essentially made it a tracking device and a door into his social life.
I feel sorry for the kid. The second his classmates find out that it was him, that phone is gonna be filled with texts meant to get him in trouble.
It just feels like his mom cant be fucked parenting him and is giving him this so she doesn't have to take any responsibility for if the kid does anything wrong.
I stepped on a smart phone needle when I was 13. Never fucking again my head is [I]so[/I] screwed up 3 years later.
[sp] Technology actually had the opposite effect on me.[/sp]
guys what if we grouped together and send this kid an iphone to bypass the contract
also on number 6 if he pays for the replacement iphone he can just void this contract
[QUOTE=Death_God;39123615]guys what if we grouped together and send this kid an iphone to bypass the contract
also on number 6 if he pays for the replacement iphone he can just void this contract[/QUOTE]
I'd rather pay a contractor to get the sand out of his mothers vagina.
Alright I got a few things to say.
Now, we should all agree that you should not let your child do everything they want. Parenting is a vital role in a person's development as a person. But this woman isn't doing it right. At all. When you set up a restriction for your child, you have some sort of logic behind it which he or she picks up on.
She has something right though that not many people know about (this thread especially). The internet and Google are new for us. But even though these give us great advantages, there are still tradeoffs. Human brains did not evolve in an environment where any information was available to them at their fingertips. Our brains are wired to succeed and survive. We take in information, we process it, we develop skills, and we store what we need to remember in our memory. And while we do this, our brain gets smarter. But now that we can get the answer to anything by searching the web, we aee training our brain that it can get the information we need without having to remember it or solve it ourselves. So you are wiring yourself to think unnaturally and its effecting the way your brain develops. Your parents learned to rely on their own memory to succeed at a job, change a flat tire, know what a quality television to buy is, but now we rely on Google to find or remember these things.
So I'm not agreeing with her rules completely, just one.
But I really think that in the end, these rules come from her wanting to be smart and falling flat. Thats why you read the rules and you just want to tell her to shut up.
Also its hard to put this thought together on my laggy droid but so cut my language some slack.
[quote]13. Don't take a zillion pictures and videos. There is no need to document everything. Live your experiences. They will be stored in your memory for eternity.[/quote]
This one really strikes me in particular. Being someone who loves pictures and video, it really irks me. First of all, memories fade, and how are you supposed to really share them without video or pictures? Also, taking pictures and video, or even just writing about it really keeps the memory alive. Your memories will be with you not forever, but until you die, get dementia, alzheimer or whatever. Over the course of that period, they will fade and soon it will just, well, die out. You can live your experiences AND document them at the same time. While you don't really need to take a picture ever minute and video tape the whole thing, a good amount of pictures and video doesn't hurt. Sorry for the rant it just really irked me for whatever reason and I wanted to put this out there.
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