I'd like to see a "no retarded baseless lawsuits" law or something
Here's the thing, you see the word "PseudoScience" and then you just walk away and deduct 1 point from your overall perspective on humanity.
It's a little off topic, but I've always wondered how much RF power wireless routers typically transmit?
[quote]is part of a pseudo-scientific movement that claims Wi-Fi and related technologies cause everything from brain cancer to infertility to digestive complaints.[/quote]
It's not pseudo-science if there's no science involved, it's just pure bullshit. Call it for what it is.
[QUOTE=The golden;36536365]Wifi, cell towers, GPS signals, etc.
Fuck, even the sun itself emits more harmful radiation than a wifi router.[/QUOTE]
Then you have banana's that are radioactive
tv's, phones, Smoke Detectors, Watches and Clocks, Ceramics, Glass, Fertilizer, Food, Gas Lantern Mantles, bathroom tiles, and probably a trillion other things
they're minor, but that doesn't change the fact that [B]everything[/B] is radioactive to a degree. Do people not realize that light amounts of even bad radiation doesn't even really harm you?
[thumb]http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss166/SebMcMeb123456/radiation.png[/thumb]
[QUOTE=J!NX;36536466]Then you have banana's that are radioactive
tv's, phones, Smoke Detectors, Watches and Clocks, Ceramics, Glass, Fertilizer, Food, Gas Lantern Mantles, bathroom tiles, and probably a trillion other things
they're minor, but that doesn't change the fact that [B]everything[/B] is radioactive to a degree. Do people not realize that light amounts of even bad radiation doesn't even really harm you?
[thumb]http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss166/SebMcMeb123456/radiation.png[/thumb][/QUOTE]
Scientific Illiteracy is rampant.
Thank you for trying to curb-stomp it.
[QUOTE=overpain;36532925]OH NO FREE INTERNET NOT THAT OH GOD HOW HORRIBLE
[editline]because automerge[/editline]
But really, how can this harm children?[/QUOTE]
That's just it,[I] it can't[/I].
There are numerous comprehensive and conclusive studies that have been done over the past two decades that very clearly state that cellphones/WI-Fi are for the most part harmless to animal cells(i.e. Human beings). Yet, there are still incredibly ignorant individuals such as the man trying to push this frivolous lawsuit that believe otherwise. They range from the simply misinformed/uninformed simpletons who have either slept or fucked their way through the Introductory to Physics portion of their Jr. High School class, all the way up to Alex Jones and his ilk who would think that Big Science is lying to you and it's all part of a grand masonic/Zionist/Alien Reptile NWO conspiracy theory. Pretty much all of them are complete idiots for one reason or another.
Seriously, if you can't trust the word of the [URL="http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/cellphones"]National Cancer Institute[/URL] and the [URL="http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerCauses/OtherCarcinogens/AtHome/cellular-phones"]American Cancer Society[/URL], Who the fuck [I]can [/I]you trust? Alex Jones? [I][B]LOL fuck no.[/B][/I]
There was a town somewhere that was faced with similar criticisms when they built a cell-tower in it. A small group of residents were convinced that the signals from the new tower were making them sick (nausea, headaches, etc). Facing growing pressure from 'the people', those in charge disabled the tower and pretty soon people's symptoms cleared up. How miraculous!
It was revealed, a short time later, that the tower had been running the whole time. The people in charge had only claimed to have disabled it.
[B][I][U]Placebo...[/U][/I][/B]
[QUOTE=Hizan;36535519]It's a little off topic, but I've always wondered how much RF power wireless routers typically transmit?[/QUOTE]
The legal maximum for 2.4 ghz (the frequency WiFi is on) is 1 watt. Your light bulb emits more energy at 60 watts.
[quote]Most studies that adherents cite as evidence haven’t been published or peer-reviewed in reputable scientific journals. [b]Some anti-wireless websites sell literature and protective charms, including amulets and crystals.[/b][/quote]
I can somewhat see people thinking wifi can be dangerous (I've known people who thought this and had to explain that it was false), but protective amulets and crystals? Obviously someone's trying to cash in on this hysteria.
[QUOTE=Niteshifter;36545696]I can somewhat see people thinking wifi can be dangerous (I've known people who thought this and had to explain that it was false), but protective amulets and crystals? Obviously someone's trying to cash in on this hysteria.[/QUOTE]
The crystals emit powerful force fields that deflect the evil cancerous radiated wifi rays from touching the human skin.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;36534614]Or if you took physics you'd know the wavelength of wi-fi means the photons don't carry enough energy to ionize atoms. The worst that could happen is a body temperature increase of 0.0000001 degrees.[/QUOTE]
I learned that in my first semester of Highschool chemistry.
Honestly, one thing I absolutely cannot stand is willful ignorance, and that is what this is. Is it possible for the district to counter-sue for the money they wasted debunking these bullshit claims?
People like this shouldn't be allowed to have children. Or live.
This man makes me get brain cancer
[QUOTE=J!NX;36534932]Yeah well, people hear radiation and INSTANTLY they think
[thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/The_patient%27s_skin_is_burned_in_a_pattern_corresponding_to_the_dark_portions_of_a_kimono_-_NARA_-_519686.jpg/220px-The_patient%27s_skin_is_burned_in_a_pattern_corresponding_to_the_dark_portions_of_a_kimono_-_NARA_-_519686.jpg[/thumb][thumb]http://www.rantscheff.com/pictures/makeupfx/radiation%20burn.jpg[/thumb]
because all radiation is actually that bad, right? :downs:
People annoy me.[/QUOTE]
Those were caused by thermowave, not radiation.
[editline]29th June 2012[/editline]
Well, maybe by heat radiation.
This reminds me of the time my private school installed a cell phone tower and a lot of parents got pissed off over the "cancer" fear (It was a private school for Christians :v:). Shortly after they pulled their kids out of the school.
I understand everyone has their certain little phobic beliefs. But when you try to get all superior and try to enforce your beliefs and make schools lose hundreds of thousands of dollars that could have gone into the school funding to help your child's education, your an asshole.
The only way you could possibly get cancer from wifi signals is if you were exposed to them for a really, [B]really[/B] long time non stop continuous for years and years. I'm not even sure if that still might work.
[QUOTE=GeneralMoosen;36551018]This reminds me of the time my private school installed a cell phone tower and a lot of parents got pissed off over the "cancer" fear (It was a private school for Christians :v:). Shortly after they pulled their kids out of the school.
I understand everyone has their certain little phobic beliefs. But when you try to get all superior and try to enforce your beliefs and make schools lose hundreds of thousands of dollars that could have gone into the school funding to help your child's education, your an asshole.
[b]The only way you could possibly get cancer from wifi signals is if you were exposed to them for a really, [B]really[/B] long time non stop continuous for years and years. I'm not even sure if that still might work.[/b][/QUOTE]
Not even that. You cannot get cancer from the 2.4 GHz (or 5 GHz on newer routers) signal from a router.
In order to cause cancer, the radiation emitted must be able to ionize atoms. To do so, the wavelength of the radiation must be extremely small (that is to say, have an extremely high frequency.) No radio signal comes [i]close[/i] to being ionizing.
To put it in perspective, FM radio is from 88 to 110 MHz, cell phones operate at about 800 MHz (3G and 4G data use higher frequencies like 1.9 GHz). Wi-Fi operates at 2.4 and/or 5 GHz. Satellite TV is 16-18 GHz. Certain radar systems operate between 50 to 100 GHz.
[B]Visible light[/B] is between 400 and 790 THz (400,000 GHz to 750,000 GHz). By the logic of these anti-Wi-Fi nuts, a lamp is a million times more dangerous than a router. Ultraviolet radiation (which still does not ionize, but can break chemical bonds, making it dangerous) begins at 770 THz (770,000 GHz).
X-Rays (Which can ionize) begin at 30 Petahertz (that is 30,000,000 GHz).
Wi-Fi is nowhere close to ever being able to cause cancer. A Wi-Fi signal has a maximum power of 250 milliwatts. A microwave oven operates on the same frequency at 700 Watts. (700,000 milliwatts) The only way a Wi-Fi signal could hurt you was if you increased the power by 500,000 fold, and even [I]then[/I] all it would do is burn you, not give you cancer. And even [I][B]then,[/B][/I] you would have to be within 3 feet of the router.
[QUOTE=TheJoker;36531447]That's right.
Important for you to know that the dangers of Wi-Fi is now lectured in medical education for education credits doctors, nurses, etc require for licensing. Turns out David Morrison is not only protecting his daughter but the other children as well as teachers.
Hard to imagine the FCC and others admit they didn't know how people were hit by the frequencies. The codes left out the routers smothering the classrooms with frequencies, an admitted power density which means the children are in the circuit but unprotected. I didn't realize they treated humans as hunks of tissue being heated and left out all the frequencies of biological systems.
Electrical professionals found the mechanism which substantiated Barry Trower as well as other expert witnesses. [url]http://www.thermoguy.com/pdfs/Wi_Fi_Health_Risk_Advisory.pdf[/url]
It causes nerve and muscle stimulation which is to be avoided.
[url]http://www.secularnewsdaily.com/2012/06/who-says-woo-is-harmless-hows-a-school-district-blowing-172000-over-wi-fi-hazards/[/url][/QUOTE]
Are you people really so stupid that you think that just because wi fi is everywhere it is safe? Do you think that about the radiation from Fukushima or are you as misinformed about that as well. ([url]www.enenews.com[/url]) if you want real information on the science behind the dangers of exposure to pulsed radio frequency microwave radiation go to [url]www.wirelesswatchblog.org[/url] there is nothing anywhere that says that non ionizing radiation is any more safe than ionizing radiation. if you read that then you are not keeping up with the science. non ionizing radiation creates double strand dna breaks, micronuclei, blood brain barrier leakage, calcium efflux, cancer and cognitive problems, etc. etc. You think because you can't see it that it is not there. If it goes through walls it goes through you and what it does to cells is not good. The US military has a long history of testing the biological effects of RF and that can be seen at that website under the science category. Don't be so quick to jump on the ignorance bandwagon just because you are next in line for a brain tumor for having had that cellphone glued to your ear for the last 10 years. The future is going to be grim. Already there is a 50% rise in brain tumors in children. If you are under 20 you have a 480% higher chance of getting a brain tumor from your cell phone. Sperm damage from your cell phone in your pocket and your lap top on your lap has been confirmed in no less than 5 studies. Don't be a statistic. Do your homework, be informed and survive a little longer.
Safe Schools 2012 (document here) has been updated with statements on Wi-Fi in schools from the American Academy of Environmental Medicine and the Russian National Committee for Non-Ionizing Radiation, both June 2012. Please pass on to schools.
The Russian National Committee for Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection have agreed a resolution which recommends:
1. Ministry of Health and other organizations, responsible for the population safety (including children), should pay attention to the regulation of Wi-Fi use in kindergartens and schools; to the strengthening of sanitary control of the Wi-Fi using and to the development of an appropriate regulatory framework.
2. To recommend the usage of wired networks in schools and educational institutions, rather than a network using wireless broadband systems, including Wi-Fi.
Safe Schools 2012. Medical and Scientific Experts Call for Safe Technologies in Schools. A document for schools, 2012. Flyer. Please pass on to schools, Governing bodies, parents and teachers.
[QUOTE=Informed;36592384]Are you people really so stupid that you think that just because wi fi is everywhere it is safe? Do you think that about the radiation from Fukushima or are you as misinformed about that as well. ([url]www.enenews.com[/url]) if you want real information on the science behind the dangers of exposure to pulsed radio frequency microwave radiation go to [url]www.wirelesswatchblog.org[/url] there is nothing anywhere that says that non ionizing radiation is any more safe than ionizing radiation. if you read that then you are not keeping up with the science. non ionizing radiation creates double strand dna breaks, micronuclei, blood brain barrier leakage, calcium efflux, cancer and cognitive problems, etc. etc. You think because you can't see it that it is not there. If it goes through walls it goes through you and what it does to cells is not good. The US military has a long history of testing the biological effects of RF and that can be seen at that website under the science category. Don't be so quick to jump on the ignorance bandwagon just because you are next in line for a brain tumor for having had that cellphone glued to your ear for the last 10 years. The future is going to be grim. Already there is a 50% rise in brain tumors in children. If you are under 20 you have a 480% higher chance of getting a brain tumor from your cell phone. Sperm damage from your cell phone in your pocket and your lap top on your lap has been confirmed in no less than 5 studies. Don't be a statistic. Do your homework, be informed and survive a little longer.
Safe Schools 2012 (document here) has been updated with statements on Wi-Fi in schools from the American Academy of Environmental Medicine and the Russian National Committee for Non-Ionizing Radiation, both June 2012. Please pass on to schools.
The Russian National Committee for Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection have agreed a resolution which recommends:
1. Ministry of Health and other organizations, responsible for the population safety (including children), should pay attention to the regulation of Wi-Fi use in kindergartens and schools; to the strengthening of sanitary control of the Wi-Fi using and to the development of an appropriate regulatory framework.
2. To recommend the usage of wired networks in schools and educational institutions, rather than a network using wireless broadband systems, including Wi-Fi.
Safe Schools 2012. Medical and Scientific Experts Call for Safe Technologies in Schools. A document for schools, 2012. Flyer. Please pass on to schools, Governing bodies, parents and teachers.[/QUOTE]
Please be an ironic gimmick, oh lord PLEASE be a gimmick
Ionized radiation: Messes you up
Nonionizing: Can't hurt your little spermlets or anything.
Every time I bother to gather and post evidence against this sort of nonsense, all I get in reply is pre-packaged arse gravy copy-pasted from shit like Loose Change, AE9/11 or other lunacy amalgamation sites which serve as nothing but echo chambers for people with paranoid delusions. Every counter-point is ignored if there isn't a handy packaged reply given by their source, any evidence not sourced from the head lunatic(s) is immediately disregarded as shills/conspiracy/bullshit, and any moron with a shiny plaque in their office with a title is immediately regarded as infallible so long as they support your viewpoint (even if they have no relevant qualification in the field)
So this time, i'm not going to put more effort into my posting than you lot are.
With that in mind, here's my retort which is equal in effort and validity. Go waste someone else's time, and for god's sake don't link to your own goddamn blog and pretend it's impartial or reliable.
[video=youtube;uIxNLcPyvEA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIxNLcPyvEA[/video]
Are you people really so stupid that you think that just because wi fi is everywhere it is safe? Do you think that about the radiation from Fukushima or are you as misinformed about that as well. ([url]www.enenews.com[/url]) if you want real information on the science behind the dangers of exposure to pulsed radio frequency microwave radiation go to [url]www.wirelesswatchblog.org[/url] there is nothing anywhere that says that non ionizing radiation is any more safe than ionizing radiation. if you read that then you are not keeping up with the science. non ionizing radiation creates double strand dna breaks, micronuclei, blood brain barrier leakage, calcium efflux, cancer and cognitive problems, etc. etc. You think because you can't see it that it is not there. If it goes through walls it goes through you and what it does to cells is not good. The US military has a long history of testing the biological effects of RF and that can be seen at that website under the science category. Don't be so quick to jump on the ignorance bandwagon just because you are next in line for a brain tumor for having had that cellphone glued to your ear for the last 10 years. The future is going to be grim. Already there is a 50% rise in brain tumors in children. If you are under 20 you have a 480% higher chance of getting a brain tumor from your cell phone. Sperm damage from your cell phone in your pocket and your lap top on your lap has been confirmed in no less than 5 studies. Don't be a statistic. Do your homework, be informed and survive a little longer.
Safe Schools 2012 (document here) has been updated with statements on Wi-Fi in schools from the American Academy of Environmental Medicine and the Russian National Committee for Non-Ionizing Radiation, both June 2012. Please pass on to schools.
The Russian National Committee for Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection have agreed a resolution which recommends:
1. Ministry of Health and other organizations, responsible for the population safety (including children), should pay attention to the regulation of Wi-Fi use in kindergartens and schools; to the strengthening of sanitary control of the Wi-Fi using and to the development of an appropriate regulatory framework.
2. To recommend the usage of wired networks in schools and educational institutions, rather than a network using wireless broadband systems, including Wi-Fi.
Safe Schools 2012. Medical and Scientific Experts Call for Safe Technologies in Schools. A document for schools, 2012. Flyer. Please pass on to schools, Governing bodies, parents and teachers.
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WiFi is the same as cellphone towers, if you were so serious that WiFi causes shit, then go live in a tinfoil house or whatever.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;36592521]Every time I bother to gather and post evidence against this sort of nonsense,
SO. LET'S SEE YOUR SCIENCE, NOT YOUR SELF SATISFIED, SMUG, IGNORANT, NARCISSISTIC, BASELESS, PREJUDICED AND HATEFUL NAME CALLING. WHERE'S YOUR SCIENCE. YOUR OPINION AND HATE MONGERING IS WORTHLESS EXCEPT TO OTHER MORONS LIKE YOU.
[QUOTE=Informed;36592570]<bullshit snip>[/QUOTE]
I'm amazed that that username wasn't already taken.
Either way, clearly obvious that you're either incredibly stupid or just trolling.
[QUOTE=garychencool;36592597]WiFi is the same as cellphone towers, if you were so serious that WiFi causes shit, then go live in a tinfoil house or whatever.[/QUOTE]
WHERE'S YOUR SCIENCE. YOU'RE JUST LIKE THE REST. PUT UP OR SHUT UP. SHOW ME THE SCIENCE
[QUOTE=Informed;36592570]Are you people really so stupid that you think that just because wi fi is everywhere it is safe? Do you think that about the radiation from Fukushima or are you as misinformed about that as well. ([url]www.enenews.com[/url]) if you want real information on the science behind the dangers of exposure to pulsed radio frequency microwave radiation go to [url]www.wirelesswatchblog.org[/url] there is nothing anywhere that says that non ionizing radiation is any more safe than ionizing radiation. if you read that then you are not keeping up with the science. non ionizing radiation creates double strand dna breaks, micronuclei, blood brain barrier leakage, calcium efflux, cancer and cognitive problems, etc. etc. You think because you can't see it that it is not there. If it goes through walls it goes through you and what it does to cells is not good. The US military has a long history of testing the biological effects of RF and that can be seen at that website under the science category. Don't be so quick to jump on the ignorance bandwagon just because you are next in line for a brain tumor for having had that cellphone glued to your ear for the last 10 years. The future is going to be grim. Already there is a 50% rise in brain tumors in children. If you are under 20 you have a 480% higher chance of getting a brain tumor from your cell phone. Sperm damage from your cell phone in your pocket and your lap top on your lap has been confirmed in no less than 5 studies. Don't be a statistic. Do your homework, be informed and survive a little longer.
Safe Schools 2012 (document here) has been updated with statements on Wi-Fi in schools from the American Academy of Environmental Medicine and the Russian National Committee for Non-Ionizing Radiation, both June 2012. Please pass on to schools.
The Russian National Committee for Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection have agreed a resolution which recommends:
1. Ministry of Health and other organizations, responsible for the population safety (including children), should pay attention to the regulation of Wi-Fi use in kindergartens and schools; to the strengthening of sanitary control of the Wi-Fi using and to the development of an appropriate regulatory framework.
2. To recommend the usage of wired networks in schools and educational institutions, rather than a network using wireless broadband systems, including Wi-Fi.
Safe Schools 2012. Medical and Scientific Experts Call for Safe Technologies in Schools. A document for schools, 2012. Flyer. Please pass on to schools, Governing bodies, parents and teachers.[/QUOTE]
I don't even know why I am arguing with you, but bleh, the 802.11 standard calls for a 1W maximum broadcast power, but it's way down at 250mW by average.
Your microwave uses the 2.45GHz range (.45GHz higher in the spectrum than WiFi). That has the output power of 800-1000W, and a simple metal box stops it from cooking you. Do the math, could the 4000th of that even hurt you?
I THINK IT'S OBVIOUS WHY THAT USER NAME WASN'T TAKEN LOOKING AT THE IDIOTS ON THIS THREAD. THE HUMAN RACE IS NOT WORTH SAVING.
[QUOTE=Informed;36592608][QUOTE=Sgt Doom;36592521]Every time I bother to gather and post evidence against this sort of nonsense,[/QUOTE]
SO. LET'S SEE YOUR SCIENCE, NOT YOUR SELF SATISFIED, SMUG, IGNORANT, NARCISSISTIC, BASELESS, PREJUDICED AND HATEFUL NAME CALLING. WHERE'S YOUR SCIENCE. YOUR OPINION AND HATE MONGERING IS WORTHLESS EXCEPT TO OTHER MORONS LIKE YOU.[/QUOTE]I'm still waiting for you paranoid nutcases to post real evidence :v:
I ain't lifting a finger till you lot do more than post pre-packaged shit.
[QUOTE=Informed;36592626]WHERE'S YOUR SCIENCE. YOU'RE JUST LIKE THE REST. PUT UP OR SHUT UP. SHOW ME THE SCIENCE[/QUOTE]
Our science is the physics of waves, your science is the science of a bull's ass.
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