[QUOTE=Informed;36592647]I THINK IT'S OBVIOUS WHY THAT USER NAME WASN'T TAKEN LOOKING AT THE IDIOTS ON THIS THREAD. THE HUMAN RACE IS NOT WORTH SAVING.[/QUOTE]
And welcome to FacePunch
[QUOTE=VistaPOWA;36592642]I don't even know why I am arguing with you, but bleh, the 802.11 standard calls for a 1W maximum broadcast power, but it's way down at 250mW by average.
2.45 is most drawn to water than other frequencies. do you know the difference between pulsed and continuous wave radiation? this is a total waste of time. that's the idea of these blogs isn't it, to herd us into a time wasting channel? just check out the website and do more homework. why are russia's exposure standards 100 times less than ours. duration of exposure !!!!! that's the problem with wi fi in schools.
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[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;36592653]I'm still waiting for you paranoid nutcases to post real evidence :v:
I ain't lifting a finger till you lot do more than post pre-packaged shit.[/QUOTE]
it wouldn't matter what was posted. you would not acknowledge it or ignore it as the republicans do. black is white and white is black. you are all wedded to a paradigm that you can't leave.the science is all there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [url]http://www.wirelesswatchblog.org/science/[/url]
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[QUOTE=garychencool;36592705]And welcome to FacePunch[/QUOTE]
I see the problem. thanks for the welcome.
[url]http://www.wirelesswatchblog.org/science/[/url]
[editline]2nd July 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;36592653]I'm still waiting for you paranoid nutcases to post real evidence :v:
I ain't lifting a finger till you lot do more than post pre-packaged shit.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.wirelesswatchblog.org/science/[/url]
[QUOTE=Informed;36592748]<stuff>[/QUOTE]
Do you support the banning of dihydrogen monoxide, too?
It is a major component in many toxic and poisonous compounds, causes severe tissue damage in large amounts, contributes to soil errosion, corrodes metals, can cause severe burns in the gaseous form and causes thousands of deaths yearly, both directly and indirectly, yet we keep on allowing companies to emit it and put it in our foods.
:v:
[QUOTE=michaeldim;36551671]Not even that. You cannot get cancer from the 2.4 GHz (or 5 GHz on newer routers) signal from a router.
In order to cause cancer, the radiation emitted must be able to ionize atoms. To do so, the wavelength of the radiation must be extremely small (that is to say, have an extremely high frequency.) No radio signal comes [i]close[/i] to being ionizing.
To put it in perspective, FM radio is from 88 to 110 MHz, cell phones operate at about 800 MHz (3G and 4G data use higher frequencies like 1.9 GHz). Wi-Fi operates at 2.4 and/or 5 GHz. Satellite TV is 16-18 GHz. Certain radar systems operate between 50 to 100 GHz.
[B]Visible light[/B] is between 400 and 790 THz (400,000 GHz to 750,000 GHz). By the logic of these anti-Wi-Fi nuts, a lamp is a million times more dangerous than a router. Ultraviolet radiation (which still does not ionize, but can break chemical bonds, making it dangerous) begins at 770 THz (770,000 GHz).
X-Rays (Which can ionize) begin at 30 Petahertz (that is 30,000,000 GHz).
Wi-Fi is nowhere close to ever being able to cause cancer. A Wi-Fi signal has a maximum power of 250 milliwatts. A microwave oven operates on the same frequency at 700 Watts. (700,000 milliwatts) The only way a Wi-Fi signal could hurt you was if you increased the power by 500,000 fold, and even [I]then[/I] all it would do is burn you, not give you cancer. And even [I][B]then,[/B][/I] you would have to be within 3 feet of the router.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to turn my microwave into a massive Wi-Fi hotspot now.
[QUOTE=ChristopherB;36542208]There was a town somewhere that was faced with similar criticisms when they built a cell-tower in it. A small group of residents were convinced that the signals from the new tower were making them sick (nausea, headaches, etc). Facing growing pressure from 'the people', those in charge disabled the tower and pretty soon people's symptoms cleared up. How miraculous!
It was revealed, a short time later, that the tower had been running the whole time. The people in charge had only claimed to have disabled it.
[B][I][U]Placebo...[/U][/I][/B][/QUOTE]
There was an episode on House that explained something like that, where people in a plane "got sick" when they announced there was a fucked up contagious disease inside. Its something like a "copycat syndrome" or something of the sort.
In this case, its like when people talk about head lice and you somehow start getting a itchy head.
where's my tin foil hat
[QUOTE=Terminutter;36592849]Do you support the banning of dihydrogen monoxide, too?
It is a major component in many toxic and poisonous compounds, causes severe tissue damage in large amounts, contributes to soil errosion, corrodes metals, can cause severe burns in the gaseous form and causes thousands of deaths yearly, both directly and indirectly, yet we keep on allowing companies to emit it and put it in our foods.
:v:[/QUOTE]
It's true, Dihydrogen Monoxide killed my dog.
ban DHMO!
[QUOTE=Terminutter;36592849]Do you support the banning of dihydrogen monoxide, too?
It is a major component in many toxic and poisonous compounds, causes severe tissue damage in large amounts, contributes to soil errosion, corrodes metals, can cause severe burns in the gaseous form and causes thousands of deaths yearly, both directly and indirectly, yet we keep on allowing companies to emit it and put it in our foods.
:v:[/QUOTE]
No wonder my fishes keep dying, it's from all that dihydrogen monoxide exposure they get!
[QUOTE=duno;36545619]The legal maximum for 2.4 ghz (the frequency WiFi is on) is 1 watt. Your light bulb emits more energy at 60 watts.[/QUOTE]
You aren't talking about the same thing electrically. Your 60 watt light bulb is powered up by a 60 Hz frequency inside an insulated wire.
The Wi-Fi application is the routers smothering the classroom so they can communicate with 30 or more wireless devices. The whole classroom is the circuit except the children are effectively inside the wire.
The code made critical errors in not even considering biology is electrical and not insulated. That mechanism shows how the wavelengths hit the children from head to toe and safety standards say that is to be avoided because it causes nerve stimulation.
Here is a link including 2 reports on safety where they misses the routers in the equation all together. They said if children are 1 foot from the computer they won't be burned. [url]http://www.thermoguy.com/pdfs/Wi_Fi_Health_Risk_Advisory.pdf[/url]
The dangers of the frequencies are now lectured in medical education and no longer just opinion. [url]http://www.thermoguy.com/pdfs/Medical_Education_Letter_on_Wireless_Lectured_in_Medical_Academia.pdf[/url]
Keep those cellphones out of the pocket boy, it is radiating your testicles billions of times per second. [url]http://www.thermoguy.com/pdfs/Cell-Phone-Radiation.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=thermoguy;36594004]You aren't talking about the same thing electrically. Your 60 watt light bulb is powered up by a 60 Hz frequency inside an insulated wire.
The Wi-Fi application is the routers smothering the classroom so they can communicate with 30 or more wireless devices. The whole classroom is the circuit except the children are effectively inside the wire.
The code made critical errors in not even considering biology is electrical and not insulated. That mechanism shows how the wavelengths hit the children from head to toe and safety standards say that is to be avoided because it causes nerve stimulation.
Here is a link including 2 reports on safety where they misses the routers in the equation all together. They said if children are 1 foot from the computer they won't be burned. [URL]http://www.thermoguy.com/pdfs/Wi_Fi_Health_Risk_Advisory.pdf[/URL]
The dangers of the frequencies are now lectured in medical education and no longer just opinion. [URL]http://www.thermoguy.com/pdfs/Medical_Education_Letter_on_Wireless_Lectured_in_Medical_Academia.pdf[/URL]
Keep those cellphones out of the pocket boy, it is radiating your testicles billions of times per second. [URL]http://www.thermoguy.com/pdfs/Cell-Phone-Radiation.pdf[/URL][/QUOTE]
The way Wi-Fi works is exactly like how a light bulb works. It's bathing the room in a light that is less powerful and also invisible to the human eye.
They're harmless. They'll warm you up about 0.00000001 degrees. That's not fatal. If anything the photon from the lightbulb carries more energy and is infinitely more dangerous.
[editline]2nd July 2012[/editline]
And the thing warming up his face is probably the cell phone's battery under moderately heavy usage, not waves. Give me a break
[QUOTE=duno;36545619]The legal maximum for 2.4 ghz (the frequency WiFi is on) is 1 watt. Your light bulb emits more energy at 60 watts.[/QUOTE]
It isn't off topic and a great question left out of the equation. Measuring a power density at one computer is one action, the routers are carrying the power for all of the computers and would add up.
A Smart Meter Router on a pole can handle 4000 smart devices so they radiate neighborhoods to pick up the entire load.
Wi-Fi frequencies going through walls is causing high speed vibration of the structure and fire separations. Technology upgrades are important, they need to be wired. [url]http://www.thermoguy.com/pdfs/Wi_Fi_Health_Risk_Advisory.pdf[/url]
Please link me to articles that are in scientific, peer-reviewed journals.
Your own website doesn't cut it, nor does your pseudo-scientific mess (WordArt is so professional-looking, right?) you linked in.
[QUOTE=Niteshifter;36545696]I can somewhat see people thinking wifi can be dangerous (I've known people who thought this and had to explain that it was false), but protective amulets and crystals? Obviously someone's trying to cash in on this hysteria.[/QUOTE]
You are right about the sales of junk science to protect you. Your doctor uses lead lined aprons to attenuate or eliminate frequencies.
In regards to the missed science, they left out routers bathing the room and human biology was considered dead tissue heating. Humans weren't considered electrical. [url]http://www.thermoguy.com/pdfs/Wi_Fi_Health_Risk_Advisory.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=thermoguy;36594080]It isn't off topic and a great question left out of the equation. Measuring a power density at one computer is one action, the routers are carrying the power for all of the computers and would add up.
A Smart Meter Router on a pole can handle 4000 smart devices so they radiate neighborhoods to pick up the entire load.
Wi-Fi frequencies going through walls is causing high speed vibration of the structure and fire separations. Technology upgrades are important, they need to be wired. [URL]http://www.thermoguy.com/pdfs/Wi_Fi_Health_Risk_Advisory.pdf[/URL][/QUOTE]
The reason they vibrate faster is because molecules at a higher temperature vibrate as a result of that temperature increase. And the 0.0000001 degree increase in temperature isn't going to suddenly fuck up a structure.
Seriously, have you nutjobs ever taken even a junior-high level physics class? I came out of IB HL Physics and I laugh at how literally uninformed your opinions are
[QUOTE=thermoguy;36594119]You are right about the sales of junk science to protect you. Your doctor uses lead lined aprons to attenuate or eliminate frequencies.
In regards to the missed science, they left out routers bathing the room and human biology was considered dead tissue heating. Humans weren't considered electrical. [url]http://www.thermoguy.com/pdfs/Wi_Fi_Health_Risk_Advisory.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]
Please give me some exact references and sections from official, published and peer reviewed medical and scientific journals to try to back up your bullshit.
A randomly made pdf that looks like a year seven's physics homework copied from various wikipedia articles and blogs isn't going to cut anything.
Is there a P&T BS that covers wireless luddites?
[QUOTE=Informed;36592570]Are you people really so stupid that you think that just because wi fi is everywhere it is safe? Do you think that about the radiation from Fukushima or are you as misinformed about that as well. ([url]www.enenews.com[/url]) if you want real information on the science behind the dangers of exposure to pulsed radio frequency microwave radiation go to [url]www.wirelesswatchblog.org[/url] there is nothing anywhere that says that non ionizing radiation is any more safe than ionizing radiation. if you read that then you are not keeping up with the science. non ionizing radiation creates double strand dna breaks, micronuclei, blood brain barrier leakage, calcium efflux, cancer and cognitive problems, etc. etc. You think because you can't see it that it is not there. If it goes through walls it goes through you and what it does to cells is not good. The US military has a long history of testing the biological effects of RF and that can be seen at that website under the science category. Don't be so quick to jump on the ignorance bandwagon just because you are next in line for a brain tumor for having had that cellphone glued to your ear for the last 10 years. The future is going to be grim. Already there is a 50% rise in brain tumors in children. If you are under 20 you have a 480% higher chance of getting a brain tumor from your cell phone. Sperm damage from your cell phone in your pocket and your lap top on your lap has been confirmed in no less than 5 studies. Don't be a statistic. Do your homework, be informed and survive a little longer.
Safe Schools 2012 (document here) has been updated with statements on Wi-Fi in schools from the American Academy of Environmental Medicine and the Russian National Committee for Non-Ionizing Radiation, both June 2012. Please pass on to schools.
The Russian National Committee for Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection have agreed a resolution which recommends:
1. Ministry of Health and other organizations, responsible for the population safety (including children), should pay attention to the regulation of Wi-Fi use in kindergartens and schools; to the strengthening of sanitary control of the Wi-Fi using and to the development of an appropriate regulatory framework.
2. To recommend the usage of wired networks in schools and educational institutions, rather than a network using wireless broadband systems, including Wi-Fi.
Safe Schools 2012. Medical and Scientific Experts Call for Safe Technologies in Schools. A document for schools, 2012. Flyer. Please pass on to schools, Governing bodies, parents and teachers.[/QUOTE]
I am so Posting this to FSTDT. :v:
[QUOTE=Terminutter;36594167]Please give me some exact references and sections from official, published and peer reviewed medical and scientific journals to try to back up your bullshit.
A randomly made pdf that looks like a year seven's physics homework copied from various wikipedia articles and blogs isn't going to cut anything.
Is there a P&T BS that covers wireless luddites?[/QUOTE]There's one that covers conspiracy theories in general and the mentality behind them, but afaik none specifically about luddism.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;36532629]What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.[/QUOTE]
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Just sent a copy of your link and your post to me to the secret service, the fbi, police dept. and they said they will take it from here. in other words, you're just a hired killer. what kind of total scum are you?
[QUOTE=Informed;36595627][editline]2nd July 2012[/editline]
Just sent a copy of your link and your post to me to the secret service, the fbi, police dept. and they said they will take it from here. in other words, you're just a hired killer. what kind of total scum are you?[/QUOTE]
Snitches get stitches
[QUOTE=Informed;36595627][editline]2nd July 2012[/editline]
Just sent a copy of your link and your post[B] to me[/B] to the secret service, the fbi, police dept. and they said they will take it from here. in other words, you're just a hired killer. what kind of total scum are you?[/QUOTE]
W-wait, you're Trower?
So uh, how's the South African royalty doin' these days?
[QUOTE=ChristopherB;36542208]There was a town somewhere that was faced with similar criticisms when they built a cell-tower in it. A small group of residents were convinced that the signals from the new tower were making them sick (nausea, headaches, etc). Facing growing pressure from 'the people', those in charge disabled the tower and pretty soon people's symptoms cleared up. How miraculous!
It was revealed, a short time later, that the tower had been running the whole time. The people in charge had only claimed to have disabled it.
[B][I][U]Placebo...[/U][/I][/B][/QUOTE]
even better, i have some of these dopes in my town
[editline]2nd July 2012[/editline]
oh hi trower
sup
[editline]2nd July 2012[/editline]
i see you brought thermoguy with u
[QUOTE=oskutin;36548746]Those were caused by thermowave, not radiation.
[editline]29th June 2012[/editline]
Well, maybe by heat radiation.[/QUOTE]
My point still stands, people hear radiation of any form and they think of those images, or at least, something close.
[QUOTE=thermoguy;36594080]Wi-Fi frequencies going through walls is causing high speed vibration of the structure and fire separations.
[url]http://www.thermoguy.com/pdfs/Wi_Fi_Health_Risk_Advisory.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]
That's not how wavelengths work. While WiFi works by inducing an alternating current in wires, they don't do that to general matter.
Instead they cause heat (Communications power levels, extremely small amounts, even for a phone next to your head) which is random vibrations in molecules and buildings are designed to survive thermal expansion of far greater magnitudes.
Also i can't find what your referring to in the link.
[QUOTE=thermoguy;36594004]You aren't talking about the same thing electrically. Your 60 watt light bulb is powered up by a 60 Hz frequency inside an insulated wire. [/QUOTE]
I believe he was referring to visible light, or the heat produced, Although EM waves produced by wires aren't stopped by insulation, there are tools that can read the current of a wire using the emitted waves.
[QUOTE=thermoguy;36594004]The whole classroom is the circuit except the children are effectively inside the wire. [/QUOTE]
Reminds me of a physics experiment where my teacher he passed a current though a line of students.
Edit: also
[QUOTE=Informed;36592570]Words...
[highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Gimmick" - rilez))[/highlight][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Informed;36595627][editline]2nd July 2012[/editline]
Just sent a copy of your link and your post to me to the secret service, the fbi, police dept. and they said they will take it from here. in other words, you're just a hired killer. what kind of total scum are you?[/QUOTE]
i'm sure they'll take you seriously, everyone knows the internet isn't full of liars and everyone always tells the truth, especially when hidden under the almighty mask of anonymity
[editline]2nd July 2012[/editline]
GOD I FUCKING LOVE THIS THREAD ASDFFSDLGFJ
[QUOTE=Informed;36595627][editline]2nd July 2012[/editline]
Just sent a copy of your link and your post to me to the secret service, the fbi, police dept. and they said they will take it from here. in other words, you're just a hired killer. what kind of total scum are you?[/QUOTE]
He actually fell for the Gorilla Warfare copypasta.
Pfft hahaha.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;36531461]Move along folks, just another retard.
And another.[/QUOTE]
He had no rank because he refused promotions, yet he was a member of forty different secret programs.
What the Christ.
Wi-Fi makes you gay
proven fact
MURICA
Might as well sue god for all the background radiation in the universe while you're at it, because that's more of a threat than wifi signals.
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