MaSS Murdering 89 year old held on Auschwitz charges - Nazi Hunt - Polidicks

The guys older than dirt, leave him be. He had to live with this his whole life.

[QUOTE=dunkace;45153809]It always makes me cringe just how much Germany tries to show just how not Nazi they are. Its like an over sensitive kid at school who tries to hard to impress[/QUOTE] Because they know its a blood stain in their history that they can't fucking remove, they will try hard to remove it. On another note, this guy knows what he did and he's lived with his decisions his entire life. (Assuming he did do worse than guard gates in his job).

[QUOTE=SexualShark;45155045]My entire point is, this guy was not Wehrmacht, this guy was SS. SS was given full sanction and control of the camps.[/QUOTE] Actually, the SS as a whole did not control the camps, but rather the SS Death's Head unit. Those in other branches of the SS had significantly less to do with the Holocaust. [QUOTE] Even if this guy was not directly involved in the slaughter, he was still a member of the Nazi Party. His hands are still not clean.[/QUOTE] If we're going to apply this principle of guilt by association, let's at least do it consistently. I suggest we get some Communist Party of the Soviet Union member-hunters so we can put away everyone who had anything to do with the purges and the Gulags. While we're at it, we need to prosecute every living Democrat from the 60's that we can find, since their policies resulted in the use of Agent Orange. Oh, and I almost forgot, anyone who was associated with the Manhattan Project, from the scientists to the bomb testers to the pilots who dropped the bombs, I guess they need to be put to death for the hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians they killed.

[QUOTE=seano12;45153277]Will this witchhunt ever end? I bet we'll hear in the news sometime in the future about how a 105 year old man getting arrested over similar charges.[/QUOTE] They have to lock them away before they kill again!!!!

I feel sorry for old dude, even given his past, but I think he needs to be locked up. He should be brought to justice.

[QUOTE=cqbcat;45156583]I feel sorry for old dude, even given his past, but I think he needs to be locked up. He should be brought to justice.[/QUOTE] [img]http://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-patriot.gif[/img] Exactly what 'justice' do you mean?

I understand that people want to let go that stupid witch hunt but whatever this old man did, he symbolizes all that atrocious period, he somehow has to pay. I guess you have to hear the stories of blood relatives to realize that, I'll always remember when my dad told me about grandfather : he was in a camp at the very end of the war, he was buried in the ground with only his head coming out and the soldier there kicked, spat, peed and even shat on him for their entertainment. It was the first I've ever seen my dad cry, he was truly moved about it. It will take time but once every person involved in that war dies, the hatred will soften and people will move on.

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;45155587]Even for the low level soldiers that did participate in some level more than just guarding, the fuck else were theysupposed to do? Refuse and get themselves executed, only to be replaced by yet another low level cog in the machine soldier?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Aetna;45156070]Someone orders you to do something, or they'll kill you and your entire family. This someone has the power to do so in the blink of an eye. They essentially have you captured and provide you with food, water, and safety.[/QUOTE] Now known as the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Defense"]Nuremberg Defense[/URL] and generally accepted as invalid when it's anything less than a gun to your head forcing you to do something you don't want to. The Nazi Party did not shy away from executing even high-ranking officers (such as Rommel) who didn't obey orders, but that defense alone cannot justify all the atrocities of the Nazi regime by saying they're all Hitler's fault and everyone below him on the chain was just following orders. That's also leaving aside that the German SS divisions (as opposed to the ones made of foreign conscripts) were largely volunteers who personally swore oaths to the Nazi Party and Hitler, which while isn't an indictment alone does give them a greater measure of willing responsibility in crimes committed by the SS. If you volunteered to join the SS then 'I didn't want to do it, they made me' isn't a very strong defense. If the man had, as he claims, nothing to do with the death camps, then he'll be let off without punishment. That's why he's going to go on trial, he hasn't already been condemned and locked up.

Nazis are/were regular humans, so these guys are "Human hunters." I hope their clown show of an organization gets shut down alongside with this joke of a trial. But yeah, if we're doing the whole screw the nazis, they deserve to die thing. What about the Soviet Union and the similar shit it pulled ? They're somehow better? Oh wait, they were on the winning side so it's ok. Everyone who argues that Nazis were the one true evil can go fuck themselves n learn some history.

[QUOTE=SexualShark;45154734]because war is war and i dont remember the US marching the jews, gays, gypsies, etc to the gas chambers.[/QUOTE] Why would you march them to gas chambers when you can bring the napalm to them instead?

FYI nazi hunters have a reality show

[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;45153344]I guess NoDachi has gotten a good following.[/QUOTE] NoDachi would be against going for old Nazis tbh

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;45157848]NoDachi would be against going for old Nazis tbh[/QUOTE] nodachi would be against whatever the majority of the thread is for

[QUOTE=SexualShark;45154928]your entire arguement is hilariously flawed, if you didnt realise war is a extremely messy thing the allies fire bombed cites, the axis bombed cities, etc etc. what you fail to realise is vietnam was a failed attempt to kill off a insurgency, something that the US had never dealt with before, we didnt march them off to DEATH CAMPS. the nazi regime started a world war, yanked people from their homes, stole their treasures, viciously executed thousands outright, sent millions on a choo choo ride to hell and left a continent in ruin and you want to fucking talk about how the CIA interrogated people a bit harshly? oh thats good. if anyone wants to be a tard lets put it like this so this guy kills a lot of people in a heinous way we lose him and find him 50+ years later so by most of the logic in this thread, we are gonna let him go because he is something something years old? hahahaha thats great[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's not like the US didn't spray kids, women, men, the forests, and everything else with Agent Orange, a deadly toxin that killed thousands. Nope, that didn't fucking happen. [video=youtube;wgLlkjsg1uo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgLlkjsg1uo[/video]

And. Here. We. Go. [IMG]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/ratings/clock.png[/IMG] Late x [B]1[/B] (list) More resources being spent on punishing draftees who followed orders instead of punishing the real problem that is former Soviet collaborators in STASI - If people went through such great lengths to punish people who collaborated with Nazis in France, why are resources not being spent to do the same against Soviet collaborators who did arguably worse over a much longer period of time?

German laws, deal with it.

Why cant people just let this whole thing rest in peace already. It's over, most of the people involved are either dead or about to be. And this dude was just a simple gate guard as well.

[QUOTE=SexualShark;45155045]My entire point is, this guy was not Wehrmacht, this guy was SS. SS was given full sanction and control of the camps. Even if this guy was not directly involved in the slaughter, he was still a member of the Nazi Party. His hands are still not clean.[/QUOTE] Why aren't we hunting the people who ran the camps in america that were full of Japanese Americans during ww2?

i don't think people here can grasp unintentional civilian casualties of war and intentional death camps set out to exterminate innocent people i don't understand why this concept is so hard to grasp

This thread is very intriguing to read because of all of the differing opinions. Here's how I see the situation overall: - First, it was said he was non-voluntarily drafted into an artillery regiment in the Waffen-SS - Second, he was a guard at the camp for a week (from what I read) and was not involved in the explicit murder of the camp population - Third, none of the above has been proven yet which is why a trial has been set in place - in order to determine exactly why he was there I can understand why people want to put this whole thing to rest because of how long ago it was, and I agree. The man is 89 years old, suffers from dementia and probably only has a few years left. For some it's a matter of either national pride or even identity, because many Nazi Hunters had some sort of connection to the war leading them to want to close any ties to the present, if that's the right way to say it. Personally I feel that they should let it be since it was almost 3/4 of a century ago, and the men who are left today while maybe guilty of being part only have a couple of years left to live.

It's times like these when I like to quote Big Dumb American: [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;42924634]And literally nothing is any different for anybody. Accept for Mr. Franklin. Because he's dead. The families of the people he killed woke up this morning, and discovered, to their great surprise, that all the people he killed are still quite dead as well. I don't imagine that anybody will be shedding tears over ole Frank's departure, but that does nothing to justify putting him to death.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=supersnail11;45162454]It's times like these when I like to quote Big Dumb American:[/QUOTE] germany doesn't have a death penalty

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;45162806]germany doesn't have a death penalty[/QUOTE] It's another case where an old guy who used to be a Nazi was punished for things he did many years ago.

Disobey orders and be killed, or follow orders and be put in Prison 70 years later for being stationed outside of a camp having no part in the mass murders.

[QUOTE=sk8rboi;45163872]Disobey orders and be killed, or follow orders and be put in Prison 70 years later for being stationed outside of a camp having no part in the mass murders.[/QUOTE] there is apparently evidence showing he was more than just a guard, that's what they are going to investigate. or should we just take him at his word? [editline]20th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=supersnail11;45163032]It's another case where an old guy who used to be a Nazi was punished for things he did many years ago.[/QUOTE] so if himmler had escaped and wasn't found until today would you consider going after hiim another case where an old guy who used to be a nazi was punished for things he did many years ago? personally i don't think there should be a statute of limitations on one of the most despicable acts in the past 100 years

[QUOTE=SexualShark;45154526]hahahaha are you trying to compare those? thats cute. you cant compare airstrikes to a industrial killing machine.[/QUOTE] You can't compare systematically killing villagers and dropping napalm on the village to make sure there's nothing left, to systematically killing people in gas chambers.

If you think about it, during the Holocaust and WW2, many people in Germany actually agreed with Hitler's rules and ideas, violence towards Jews in Nazi Germany was common place, both by Nazis and regular citizens, even if this man did order the slaughter of 216,000 Jews during WW2, it is likely he was only doing what hundreds of other guards were doing at the time, following orders and trying not to get shot by their CO for speaking out against the atrocities they were carrying out, we must remember that there were strict rules on following everything Hitler ordered his army to do. Also. this whole thing between Jews and Germany has actually been going on before WW2, during the black plague of the 1300s, Jews were burned because they were blamed for starting it in the first place, obviously the plague wasn't caused by people of the Jewish faith, but that is what some German people thought even back then, so why arrest an ex-Nazi for doing what he may have been ordered to do or just believing in something that many other people believed back then, just move on and ficus on more pressing matters like Syria, ISIS and Hamas, they are the real threat. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("please don't bump news threads as old as this" - Orkel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45153256][/sigh] Frankly I think they should just stop with this, and close that part of the history book. Concentrate on the Neo-Nazi groups instead, and you'll probably achieve something more.[/QUOTE] Indeed. It's doubly futile when the person in question was just a perimeter guard.

[QUOTE=tirpider;45153291]So I can get away with a random crime against humanity just by being old? Good to know. edit I'll rephrase that: "Oh look, it's one of those guys involved with that really big mass murder. But he's old so I'll just ignore it cause answering for our actions isn't important anymore."[/QUOTE] "let's waste resources on a guy who's about to die" simple as that

To be honest didn't he pretty much get away with it anyway. I mean capturing, trying and sentencing him is not going to do anything. If he actually did commit crimes against humanity (I am not going into the argument about him just being a guard) I would say living to be 89 is pretty much the definition of getting away with it. Obviously being old is not an excuse to let old crimes go and so on, but the whole argument about we cannot let him get away with this is kinda moot when he lived 60 years free.